suicide statistics

[SpeedRacer 1]

Interesting:

There are 3.8 MALE suicide deaths for every FEMALE suicide death (in the USA in 2005)

And yet, there are 3 suicide ATTEMPTS by females for every 1 attempt at suicide by males.


edited to add: just read the fine print. These are NON FATAL attempts.

hell of a thing to be better at than women, guys.

http://www.suicidology.org/associations/1045/files/2005datapgs.pdf

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[CSpenceFLY 1]

Some people just can't do anything right.

[SarahC07 0]

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Some people just can't do anything right.

You mean like appear intelligent

I swear man - I say some stupid shit sometimes.

Could be worse - I could have attempted suicide and failed... sorry, that's not funny.

[CSpenceFLY 1]

Get over it.

[Lindsey 0]

It surprises me that there's such a difference between the state with the highest (22/100K) and the lowest (6/100K) suicide rates. I wonder why that is.

linz

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[waltappel 1]

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It surprises me that there's such a difference between the state with the highest (22/100K) and the lowest (6/100K) suicide rates. I wonder why that is.

linz

I'm surprised that DC is at the bottom of the list. I kinda wish it was higher there.

Walt

[bclark 0]

Says something about the statistics and demographics of ACTUAL suicides, vs. "cries for help (or attention)".

[Unstable 9]

I remember seeing something explaining Gender and their method of choice. It suggested a very strong correlation with males choosing violent means of suicide (Firearms, standing in front of a train) while females preferred more non-violent means, drowning, hanging, overdoese, et cetera. If you ask me, the methods employed by males are easy and sure fire, where as the methods employed by females leave a lot of room for error (or rescue...)

I would be willing to bet that this would contribute to your finding

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There are 3.8 MALE suicide deaths for every FEMALE suicide death (in the USA in 2005)

And yet, there are 3 suicide ATTEMPTS by females for every 1 attempt at suicide by males.

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[BillyVance 35]

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I'm surprised that DC is at the bottom of the list. I kinda wish it was higher there.

Walt

I know what you meant...

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

[virgin-burner 1]

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I remember seeing something explaining Gender and their method of choice. It suggested a very strong correlation with males choosing violent means of suicide (Firearms, standing in front of a train) while females preferred more non-violent means, drowning, hanging, overdoese, et cetera. If you ask me, the methods employed by males are easy and sure fire, where as the methods employed by females leave a lot of room for error (or rescue...)

I would be willing to bet that this would contribute to your finding

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There are 3.8 MALE suicide deaths for every FEMALE suicide death (in the USA in 2005)

And yet, there are 3 suicide ATTEMPTS by females for every 1 attempt at suicide by males.

i was just gonna say exactly that, beat me to it. not much can fail when a .223 rem. takes your head off!

“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.”
-Hunter S. Thompson
"No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try."
-Yoda

[medic0079 0]

Women suicide=Want attention
Men suicide=Want to die
Seen a BUNCH of so called suicide attempts by women seen 1 that did it right... used a gun
never seen a suicide attempt by a man, but seen 3 or 4 get it done right

[popsjumper 2]

How can you tell if it was suicide? How do we know? Maybe they were all accidents:

1. I didn't know it was loaded.
2. Too many pills just spilled out into my hand and I didn't know what to do with them so...
3. I was just shaving my wrists and it slipped.
4. I was just testing that old "Grab the Grass" theory...and missed.
5. Who the hell does Superman think he is? I can step off a building too!

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[popsjumper 2]

The single leading cause of suicide is....stupidity.

None deserve it more than those who fail at it.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[NWFlyer 2]

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Women suicide=Want attention help
Men suicide=Want to die

I'm glad you're a medical professional.

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The single leading cause of suicide is....stupidity mental illness.

That statement shows stupidity, or at least ignorance.

"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke

[CSpenceFLY 1]

In many cases the original quotes are correct.Your corrections show an ignorance of many of the types of people out there.

[NWFlyer 2]

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In many cases the original quotes are correct.Your corrections show an ignorance of many of the types of people out there.

Maybe in Medic0007's case it's a cry for attention sometimes. But to my mind, using something as serious as a suicide attempt as a cry for attention means, quite simply, something is not right and you need help. But to put a blanket statement on it and say all women who attempt suicide want attention? C'mon Spence - that's ignorant.

And Andy is wrong. I'm not arguing with you or him on that. There are people who kill themselves out of stupidity - we call them Darwin award winners. But they are not suicides in the definition of the word.

"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke

[virgin-burner 1]

one could also say: it shows the poor reflection of yourself on other people.

“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.”
-Hunter S. Thompson
"No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try."
-Yoda

[jshatzkin 0]

The original quotes are not correct, just opinions. Any empircal studies done on suicide show a very high prevalence of mental illness. NWFlyer is correct.

Women don't want help or attention any more than a man. We just socialize men to not seek help ("it's weak"). Men, by nature, do take more violent means to suicide, whereas women take softer approaches. This accounts for higher incidences of completion for men. I had a male client who survived a suicide attempt: gunshot wound to the head. After getting help, realized he had many mental issues and later did not want to die. It was simply an impulsive moment after being in a deep depression and a bottle of liquor.

Having worked inpatient mental health, I can assure you that I had several male clients who had failed suicide attempts. Of all kinds: cuts to the throat, gunshot wounds, pills, cut wrists etc...

People often also get confused when they see those who self-mutilate (ie cutting or burning). Self-mutilation seems to be more prevalent in females and will often get tossed into the "suicide attempt" category by those who are ignorant. Truth is: self-mutilation is not a suicide attempt. And many who self-mutilate don't do it for "attention". Many will cut in places to not be seen and they have much guilt over it, trying to hide it from others.

Point is: suicide and self-mutilation are very serious issues. Those who do not understand it emotionally or professionally will often make hasty and ignorant judgments.

Jen

[CSpenceFLY 1]

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Women don't want help or attention any more than a man

You are right. I should have put more thought into what I quoted. I don't think there are probably any different reasons between women and men as far as reasons.

[CSpenceFLY 1]

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one could also say: it shows the poor reflection of yourself on other people.

One could say the same about your user name so save your judgment.

I have had personal experience in my family in regards to suicide attempts. After several attempts and getting all the help you could give someone you grow hardened to the topic. After a while someone being successful would be better then the continued attempts.

[NWFlyer 2]

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After several attempts and getting all the help you could give someone you grow hardened to the topic. After a while someone being successful would be better then the continued attempts.

Yep, the aftermath of an attempt is very, very painful. But I've been in the aftermath of three "successful" suicide attempts and one unsuccessful. I'll still take the aftermath of the attempt. This was was someone who had been in active treatment for years, not a drama queen. She'd worked on her depression and believed that she'd tried everything and nothing was going to work - really did feel beyond help. It was a well-planned and well-executed attempt that she foiled at the last moment by calling her husband to say goodbye (and he called 911).

I'll take that aftermath even though it meant visiting her at the lockdown ward at the hospital, and even though it meant several weeks of wondering if she was ever going to see even a glimmer of hope and give treatment even the slightest of chance. I'll take it even though I saw the effect on her family and friends and the stress it put them through, and the stress the felt wondering "is it going to happen again?"

I'll take it because she's here today, and her illness is well managed for now. And I know she's one of the lucky ones who has a great family and a great support system and access to high-quality health care; not everyone does, unfortunately, and even with that, not everyone's able to get their illness to a stable state, and it does become a lifetime of pain for them and their loved ones. And then you do start to wonder what's better.

Thanks for clarifying, Spence. I just see so much b.s. spewed about suicide that it (obviously) gets me going ... but I can definitely see where you're coming from on this, too.

"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke

[CSpenceFLY 1]

It's all good. I realizes there are two side to this unlike some of these judgmental fuckers. You didn't see me make any remarks about all of the bleeding hearts.

[BillyVance 35]

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It's all good. I realizes there are two side to this unlike some of these judgmental fuckers. You didn't see me make any remarks about all of the bleeding hearts.

so you've gone from "stupid fuckers" to "judgmental fuckers"... Gone soft have you?

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

[CSpenceFLY 1]

Nope, I learn fast.

[Lindsey 0]

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Women suicide=Want attention
Men suicide=Want to die
Seen a BUNCH of so called suicide attempts by women seen 1 that did it right... used a gun
never seen a suicide attempt by a man, but seen 3 or 4 get it done right

I see the same people you're talking about in the ER. Your folks bring them to me. That statement shows a lot of ignorance about the people you're taking care of. It's frightening, really.

I think it may be true that women tend to be more verbal about many things. As a person is getting to the point of considering suicide, you can't expect that they're at their emotional best, and their asking for help may happen in ways that put people off. But ANYONE who says he/she is suicidal REALLY needs to not be blown off by people in the medical community. Really.

I think the critical time is in that week or so before following through with a suicide....the time when their decision can be influenced. There are obviously people who never let anyone know that they're suicidal, perhaps more men than women, before they commit a final act. Those people, I promise you, are also pretty emotionally screwed up prior to shootin' themselves in the head (or however they accomplish their goal). They just chose not to let anyone in during the time before they made a final decision. If they had sought help the outcome might have been better for those folks too.

Kudos to those who give folks a hand up when they need it.

linz

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A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail