billvon 3,080 #26 January 23, 2008 >i just don't think that the prez has as much influence, good or bad, over >something as complex as the economy. Quite true. Oddly, though, when the economy is doing well, the incumbent's supporters tend to say things like "it's his tax cuts that have caused the economy to do well!" It's when it starts to do poorly that they decide there's not much of a link. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #27 January 23, 2008 Quote>i just don't think that the prez has as much influence, good or bad, over >something as complex as the economy. Quite true. Oddly, though, when the economy is doing well, the incumbent's supporters tend to say things like "it's his tax cuts that have caused the economy to do well!" It's when it starts to do poorly that they decide there's not much of a link. Welcome to politics. Of course, there are cries for a "stimulus package" and that the government "must do something." And the President takes credit for trying to do something. And the opposing party says it's stupid - he got us into this problem. And he says, "No I didn't. You guys mismanaged it. I tried to push through an initiative package." And they say, "LIAR..." My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #28 January 23, 2008 QuoteThe only people who bust their asses on roller coasters are the ones who jump off in the middle of it. I like that. Very good. Figure the upper average length of the typical economic cycle. Make it 5 to 7 years. Decide the age at which you will retire; in other words, when will you stop making more than you spend? (If you are not retired and spend more than you make, you have a more funfdamental problemn to address). Subtract length of economic cycle from your anticipated retirement date. Up until that date, ride it out. From that date on, begin transition out of market-based investments. Pretty simple really; but I like the roller-coaster line better." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Misternatural 0 #29 January 23, 2008 Oh definitely not selling- I bought some on the downswing in mid Jan trying to anticipate bottom, but it kept on going as you can see. Many investors are in the house of pain, virtually all of the profits made last year are gone. I had sold in Dec so I got LUCKY but I miscalculated the decline and it looks like there's more pain on the way, so right now I am Holding.... It will come back, time to buy again in a few months -especially certain beleagered financials, tech, and consumer staples.Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #30 January 23, 2008 Oh, I know. I took on some extra real estate in which I may have lost some money already. However, I planned it so that I can last at least five years with it. Even though I may have been able to get some of it at a lower price next year, it's not going to affect my margins and I managed to get a great house in a great neighborhood at a great price with a great renter. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #31 January 23, 2008 QuoteQuote Just as the republicans gave Clinton zero credit for the economy he presided over bill gates had more to do with the economy of the 90's than bill clinton. i just don't think that the prez has as much influence, good or bad, over something as complex as the economy. There may be individuals more important than the President, but Gates isn't one of them. Windows has been successful, but in its absence other products would have substituted fine, and in my viewpoint, been more beneficial to the business world. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Misternatural 0 #32 January 23, 2008 Yeah, it's almost impossible to pick out the bottom in any kind of market, especially real estate. Today the stock market rallied 300pts- could be a suckers rally due to the fed cut, and the mortgage insurance bailout announcement. It's encouraging that the president, congress, and the Fed are showing some leadership but lets face it -Bush is near the lame duck phase of this game so It's not time to push the buy button just yet until there are some more definite indications of a turnaround. Five years and you should be golden- more like three.Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #33 January 24, 2008 Quote 1. The apologists on here will stop whining about "it was only a blowjob". Employment will rise 17% among comedians. Employment opportunities for White House positions will expand among BBW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Misternatural 0 #34 January 24, 2008 1) Banks and the Fed will be abolished, instead piles of money will be dropped off on each street corner daily & only corporations will be taxed. 2) All schools will have a condom and marijuana cigarette dispenser in each classroom. 3)All guns will be banned and police will be equipped with fly swatters & terrorists will be raised here free range and organic... and will be provided with the banned guns.Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,080 #35 January 24, 2008 >instead piles of money will be dropped off on each street corner daily >& only corporations will be taxed. How ironic, then, that the president proposing "dropping money off on streetcorners" to stimulate the economy is a republican. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Misternatural 0 #36 January 24, 2008 Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #37 January 24, 2008 Quote >instead piles of money will be dropped off on each street corner daily >& only corporations will be taxed. How ironic, then, that the president proposing "dropping money off on streetcorners" to stimulate the economy is a republican. 2 & 3 are definitely Dem positions, though!! Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Misternatural 0 #38 January 24, 2008 ok- whatever you say- you, you, Texan you.Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,080 #39 January 24, 2008 >2 & 3 are definitely Dem positions, though!! Perhaps if we replace 1 with "force everyone to be gay" it would be more accurate, then. And since the #1 item on a republican president's agenda will be to "kill all the gays" they would neatly cancel each other out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Misternatural 0 #40 January 24, 2008 Well I was going to make #1 that only gays and lesbians or bi- curious people can be teachers or presidents,- but I had to cover our stance on fiscal policy somehow.Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #41 January 24, 2008 Quote 2 & 3 are definitely Dem positions, though!! Uh do you know how many guns I own.. and how many of them are actually blooded. Smoking dope makes me nauseous.... so its been only 40 years or so since I tried....inhaling. But the condom thing I think is a great idea... less teenage pregnancy.. and the lowered need for abortions.. plus a lower incidence of STD transmissal amoung the young would be a welcome change from the current level of stupidity that expects abstinence to work to prevent all of that Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #42 January 25, 2008 QuoteQuote2 & 3 are definitely Dem positions, though!! Uh do you know how many guns I own.. and how many of them are actually blooded. Doesn't matter... "Mr. and Mrs. America, turn them in" - that's the motto of those you so vehemently support.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #43 January 25, 2008 QuoteDoesn't matter... "Mr. and Mrs. America, turn them in" - that's the motto of those you so vehemently support. DUDE.. back to Parataxic Distortion...as the Brits would say.. What a load of bollocks. I know of plenty of Dem candidates that respect our second amendment rights... Far more in fact than rePUBICans who have no respect for our first or fourth amendment rights as evidenced by their ACTIONS in the last 6 years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #44 January 25, 2008 QuoteQuoteDoesn't matter... "Mr. and Mrs. America, turn them in" - that's the motto of those you so vehemently support. DUDE.. back to Parataxic Distortion...as the Brits would say.. What a load of bollocks. I know of plenty of Dem candidates that respect our second amendment rights... Far more in fact than rePUBICans who have no respect for our first or fourth amendment rights as evidenced by their ACTIONS in the last 6 years. Sure, they do... you just keep telling yourself that. Oh, and I looked up parataxic distortion... they had your pic with the definition.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #45 January 25, 2008 Quote Oh, and I looked up parataxic distortion... they had your pic with the definition. With your posting history on ANYTHING concerning ANY democratic candidate.. all I have to say is.... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHASeriously.. do they have any kind of professional help for you guys over there??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #46 January 25, 2008 Quote Quote Oh, and I looked up parataxic distortion... they had your pic with the definition. With your posting history on ANYTHING concerning ANY democratic candidate.. all I have to say is.... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHASeriously.. do they have any kind of professional help for you guys over there??? Yup... if needed. So far, it hasn't been.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #47 January 25, 2008 Seriously.. all that paranoia that everyone is out to get your guns.....is not based on reality.... several of you here.. have far more to fear from what has been done in the name of HOMELAND SECURITY..... than the random legislator from a district that has severe problems with illegal weaopns...ie gangs and such.. and is reacting to the desires of MOST of his constituents. If the government declares martial law based on provisions of your Patriot Act.. do you really feel your guns are safe from them??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #48 January 25, 2008 QuoteSeriously.. all that paranoia that everyone is out to get your guns.....is not based on reality.... Really? Look up the Sullivan laws, or the Cali ban and get back to me on that. QuoteIf the government declares martial law based on provisions of your Patriot Act.. do you really feel your guns are safe from them??? "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States. A military force, at the command of Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power, and jealousy will instantly inspire the inclination, to resist the execution of a law which appears to them unjust and oppressive." -- Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution [1787] Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #49 January 25, 2008 http://www.blueoregon.com/2006/09/democrats_and_t.html While, yes, there are some nationally prominent and a few local Democratic politicians who are outspoken in their desire to restrict gun ownership and carrying rights; the national party, the state party, and the rank and file Democrats in most districts have no impulse to curb 2nd Amendment rights. This was amply demonstrated at the DPO state central committee meeting on Sept 9 where the party voted to found The Gun Owners Caucus of the Democratic Party of Oregon. This follows on the DPO SCC's passage last year of Resolution 2005-008, discussed here on Blue Oregon, which also clearly supports 2nd Amendment rights. Jason Brown's support for the 2nd Amendment is echoed by every Democratic candidate I've spoken to about it this fall--Carol Voisin, Lee Coleman, Paul Evans, and on down the line. It ought to be echoed by any Democrat who wants to do two things: support the Constitution and win elections. But relax. Read Resolution 2005-008; the DPO already is pro-2nd Amendment. And that's what the Gun Owners Caucus was founded to let people know. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #50 January 25, 2008 Hey Mike, do you know the fact that foam at the lips is not an inclusive rabies symptom? "According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
