PLFXpert 0 #1 January 15, 2008 Discuss.Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,488 #2 January 15, 2008 I have a lot of homework to do before offering an opinion. Hyperlink to the final Risk Assessment: http://www.fda.gov/cvm/CloneRiskAssessment_Final.htmNobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #3 January 15, 2008 If they can clone the cows that make the tastiest babies, my dinner plate will be more and more attractive. Works for me. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #4 January 15, 2008 QuoteI have a lot of homework to do before offering an opinion. I appreciate that. I edited to add a link (the first news release of the decision).Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #5 January 15, 2008 QuoteDiscuss. "FDA Says Clones Are Safe For Food" ...well, what a surprise. The FDA is a tool for the big food and pharm companies, so what would anyone expect? The FDA's word cannot be trusted, so I don't care how long their report is (even the most educated of consumers would probably not read through it anyhow). Cloned meat and genetically modified foods serve a single purpose: to maximize corporate profits. I won't trust any GMO's or cloned meats until I know whether there are any long term effects that result from their consumption. I hope that labels will be required for these cloned meats. Call me paranoid (I prefer this to be characterized as 'healthy skepticism), but I sure as hell will not be eating them and I will make sure that the restaurants I eat at do not serve them. Not long until we start seeing cloned people walking around... Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #6 January 15, 2008 QuoteIf they can clone the cows that make the tastiest babies, my dinner plate will be more and more attractive. I surmise the taste will be the same, considering the current factors that contribute to the quality of our meat.Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #7 January 15, 2008 QuoteI hope that labels will be required for these cloned meats. The article says that labels will not be required, just as they are not required for genetically-modified foods. However, that won't prevent companies who don't use these technologies from labeling their foods as such. QuoteNot long until we start seeing cloned people walking around... I saw this guy speak at a seminar a couple of years ago. He's an interesting guy, and quite passionate about human reproductive cloning. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #8 January 15, 2008 That's fine... provided that all food containing it is suitably labled then we can make a choice. Personnaly, I'd avoid it for now. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #9 January 15, 2008 Quote The article says that labels will not be required, just as they are not required for genetically-modified foods. Thank you for reading that for me. I found the headline so revolting that I didn't bother reading the article. I'll be sure to either give up beef and lamb (I already don't eat pork), or make sure that the meat I consume is imported from countries that aren't yet cloning their meats. Let me guess now...cloned meats are going to sell for the same price as regular meats do now (maximizing corporate profits), and the price of meats labeled as "farm-raised, non-cloned" are going to shoot through the roof, following the path of non-GMO, "organic" produce. American consumers are so bleedin' stupid... Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #10 January 15, 2008 I think the only way we can recovery most commercial fisheries is by some form of cloning/breeding, esp for the species with a long reproductive cycle (tuna). But with our (poor) history dealing with invasive species, I am not feeling secure about how it will work out. I don't see a compelling reason to clone animals we have in abundance. Selective breeding ought to do the job already. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #11 January 15, 2008 QuoteI don't see a compelling reason to clone animals we have in abundance. Selective breeding ought to do the job already. Right...you don't. But CEO's do. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #12 January 15, 2008 QuoteI don't see a compelling reason to clone animals we have in abundance. Selective breeding ought to do the job already. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Right...you don't. But CEO's do. What is their reason, you think?Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #13 January 15, 2008 Can anyone explain why cloned animals are offensive while cloned grains, fruits, and vegetables are not? Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lefty 0 #14 January 15, 2008 Soooo...how much is this going to lower the cost of my ribeye?Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful. -Calvin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #15 January 15, 2008 QuoteCan anyone explain why cloned animals are offensive while cloned grains, fruits, and vegetables are not? I haven't made any statements to the contrary. I have to say, though, I'm certainly not offended by broccoli. Apples can be so rotten, though!Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #16 January 15, 2008 QuoteQuoteI don't see a compelling reason to clone animals we have in abundance. Selective breeding ought to do the job already. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Right...you don't. But CEO's do. What is their reason, you think? You can mass produce meat now, rather than having to wait for it to gestate naturally and grow. The only people this would benefit are those at the top of the big food corporations (and perhaps their stockholders). Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #17 January 15, 2008 QuoteSoooo...how much is this going to lower the cost of my ribeye? It won't. It'll just raise the price of your non-cloned ribeye. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #18 January 15, 2008 QuoteCan anyone explain why cloned animals are offensive while cloned grains, fruits, and vegetables are not? Blues, Dave Personally, I find both both offensive. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #19 January 15, 2008 QuoteI don't see a compelling reason to clone animals we have in abundance. Selective breeding ought to do the job already. It sounds like the current intention is to clone some of the best animals and then use them as breeding stock, as they already do with in-vitro fertilization. So the meat would most likely come from offspring of cloned animals rather than from the cloned animals themselves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #20 January 15, 2008 >Let me guess now...cloned meats are going to sell for the same price >as regular meats do now (maximizing corporate profits) . . . Well, to be more accurate, prices will increase more slowly than they would otherwise. (Corrected price may drop a bit.) >and the price of meats labeled as "farm-raised, non-cloned" are going to >shoot through the roof, following the path of non-GMO, "organic" produce. Yep. The "odder" the product is, the more you'll pay for it. Take milk for example. If you want commercial milk, $4.59 a gallon. If you want organic milk without BGH, $5.99 a gallon. Organic free-range milk. $7.99 a gallon. >American consumers are so bleedin' stupid... I don't know if buying cheaper food is considered "stupid." Many people call it "capitalism." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #21 January 15, 2008 QuoteQuoteI don't see a compelling reason to clone animals we have in abundance. Selective breeding ought to do the job already. It sounds like the current intention is to clone some of the best animals and then use them as breeding stock, as they already do with in-vitro fertilization. So the meat would most likely come from offspring of cloned animals rather than from the cloned animals themselves. I would see that as being the desire, though it hasn't worked out entirely well for us. My mom says that apples tasted a lot better before they 'improved' them. Some of the interests of fruit vendors (color, shelf life) aren't quite in alignment with our's. I think until clone meat has proven itself, the meat should be labelled as such (like farmed fish). There is certainly the potential for concerns with limiting the gene pool, though usually the concerns are when the scientists actively alter the genes rather than just pick and choose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VincentVL. 0 #22 January 15, 2008 Long term effects are a bitch. You never know what might happen when you fuck with Nature. Botox, GI, Cloning, Laser Eye Surgery, CO2, etc.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #23 January 15, 2008 >My mom says that apples tasted a lot better before they 'improved' them. >Some of the interests of fruit vendors (color, shelf life) aren't quite in >alignment with our's. Definitely true. Fortunately, heirloom tomatoes, beans etc are still available if you want them. They don't ship/keep as well, so they tend to be more available locally than via bigger farms. >I think until clone meat has proven itself, the meat should be labelled as >such (like farmed fish). Good compromise, I think. Require labeling of GMO/cloned food products and allow people to choose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #24 January 15, 2008 I love heirloom tomatoes! Mostly b/c they sound so intriguing. Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #25 January 15, 2008 QuoteGood compromise, I think. Require labeling of GMO/cloned food products and allow people to choose. It doesn't look like that will be happening, so anyone who wants to stay away from these foods will have to buy products that are labeled as NOT being GM/cloned (and likely pay more for those products, as has already been mentioned). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites