Skyrad 0 #51 January 16, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteGotta love some of the comments ***If due process is followed, then it is know HOW the murder was committed. It may not be humane, and does sound like revenge, but I feel a killer should die the same way their victim did. A shooter gets shot, a knife wielder gets stabbed. Brutal? Yes, but it may possibly add value as a deterrent, rather than a nice sleepy euthanasia method.Quote Moron. I wonder who exactly this guy thinks should administer this form of "justice" to a criminal who raped his victim multiple times before beating them to death with a claw hammer? By ass raping them and beating them to death with a claw hammer. Seems like the "eye for an eye" thing to me! You have heard that it was said, "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth". But I say to you, do not resist an evildoer. If anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. (Jesus of Nazareth, according to Matthew 5:38–39) In the Bible an eye for an eye was not a suggestion for violence against violence but a restraining influence. Before this it was usual for the relatives of a murdered man to not only kill his killer but all their family, kin and friends also. Hence an eye for an eye, limiting the punishment to the deed and not inexcess of the original afront.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TheAnvil 0 #52 January 16, 2008 Think how you like. I always do. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,611 #53 January 16, 2008 Quote Think how you like. I always do. I'm glad you've recognised that I'm right and given up but really, you could have been a little more gracious about it.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #54 January 16, 2008 Quote Quote Think how you like. I always do. I'm glad you've recognised that I'm right and given up but really, you could have been a little more gracious about it. You've made suppositions that it was racially motivated. Hardly proof, and unprovable from either side at this remove from the actual events. Hard to argue facts with the counter argument being the race card.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,611 #55 January 16, 2008 QuoteYou've made suppositions that it was racially motivated. Hardly proof, and unprovable from either side at this remove from the actual events. Hard to argue facts with the counter argument being the race card. I've taken issue with Vinnies absolute statement that race has absolutely nothing to do with the guilt of black vs white GIs convicted of the same crimes. There are a few reasons why I think it is... unwise to make such a statement. It is a matter of record that there was institutional racism in the US military in the 1940s. If race was absolutely not a factor in the justice system then coloured GIs were committing capital crimes at a rate 25X greater than their white counterparts. Given those two factors, I think it would be worth looking into whether the institutional racism of the US military in general had in fact pervaded its justice system as well before blindly stating that race had 'absolutely nothing to do with it'.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #56 January 16, 2008 QuoteI've taken issue with Vinnies absolute statement that race has absolutely nothing to do with the guilt of black vs white GIs convicted of the same crimes. While Vinnie may have overstated his position at the beginning, he later corrected it to state that without concrete evidence, you can't PROVE it was racially motivated. You've stated unequivocably that race DID play into it, also without proof. You have a theory it did, but without the evidence and statements from the court, it can't be PROVEN to be a fact. Was there racism in the military in the 40's? Absolutely - there was racism throughout the country then, and there still is today in varying forms. To paraphrase Freud: "Sometimes statistics that show blacks commit more crime are just statistic that show blacks commit more crime." I suspect ANYONE whose first argument is to play the victim card, in whatever fashion.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,611 #57 January 16, 2008 QuoteWhile Vinnie may have overstated his position at the beginning, he later corrected it to state that without concrete evidence, you can't PROVE it was racially motivated. You've stated unequivocably that race DID play into it, also without proof. You have a theory it did, but without the evidence and statements from the court, it can't be PROVEN to be a fact. Have a look again. The closest I've come to what you say I've said is calling Vinnie naive for stating absolutely that race had absolutely nothing to do with it. As far as I'm concerned that is absolutely correct (remember - large amounts of institutional racism in the US military + massively higher proportion of coloured GIs sentanced for capitol crimes than white GI's). With that weight of circumstantial evidance it is incredibly naive to just state that race definitely had nothing to do with it. Are you seriously going to take issue with that?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #58 January 17, 2008 No - I take issue with you saying that you KNOW it was racism based on circumstantial evidence. Equally as naive as Vinny's statement, without proof.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,611 #59 January 17, 2008 QuoteNo - I take issue with you saying that you KNOW it was racism based on circumstantial evidence. I didn't. I said it was naive of Vinny to say that it definitely wasn't.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 3 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. 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TheAnvil 0 #52 January 16, 2008 Think how you like. I always do. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,611 #53 January 16, 2008 Quote Think how you like. I always do. I'm glad you've recognised that I'm right and given up but really, you could have been a little more gracious about it.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #54 January 16, 2008 Quote Quote Think how you like. I always do. I'm glad you've recognised that I'm right and given up but really, you could have been a little more gracious about it. You've made suppositions that it was racially motivated. Hardly proof, and unprovable from either side at this remove from the actual events. Hard to argue facts with the counter argument being the race card.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,611 #55 January 16, 2008 QuoteYou've made suppositions that it was racially motivated. Hardly proof, and unprovable from either side at this remove from the actual events. Hard to argue facts with the counter argument being the race card. I've taken issue with Vinnies absolute statement that race has absolutely nothing to do with the guilt of black vs white GIs convicted of the same crimes. There are a few reasons why I think it is... unwise to make such a statement. It is a matter of record that there was institutional racism in the US military in the 1940s. If race was absolutely not a factor in the justice system then coloured GIs were committing capital crimes at a rate 25X greater than their white counterparts. Given those two factors, I think it would be worth looking into whether the institutional racism of the US military in general had in fact pervaded its justice system as well before blindly stating that race had 'absolutely nothing to do with it'.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #56 January 16, 2008 QuoteI've taken issue with Vinnies absolute statement that race has absolutely nothing to do with the guilt of black vs white GIs convicted of the same crimes. While Vinnie may have overstated his position at the beginning, he later corrected it to state that without concrete evidence, you can't PROVE it was racially motivated. You've stated unequivocably that race DID play into it, also without proof. You have a theory it did, but without the evidence and statements from the court, it can't be PROVEN to be a fact. Was there racism in the military in the 40's? Absolutely - there was racism throughout the country then, and there still is today in varying forms. To paraphrase Freud: "Sometimes statistics that show blacks commit more crime are just statistic that show blacks commit more crime." I suspect ANYONE whose first argument is to play the victim card, in whatever fashion.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,611 #57 January 16, 2008 QuoteWhile Vinnie may have overstated his position at the beginning, he later corrected it to state that without concrete evidence, you can't PROVE it was racially motivated. You've stated unequivocably that race DID play into it, also without proof. You have a theory it did, but without the evidence and statements from the court, it can't be PROVEN to be a fact. Have a look again. The closest I've come to what you say I've said is calling Vinnie naive for stating absolutely that race had absolutely nothing to do with it. As far as I'm concerned that is absolutely correct (remember - large amounts of institutional racism in the US military + massively higher proportion of coloured GIs sentanced for capitol crimes than white GI's). With that weight of circumstantial evidance it is incredibly naive to just state that race definitely had nothing to do with it. Are you seriously going to take issue with that?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #58 January 17, 2008 No - I take issue with you saying that you KNOW it was racism based on circumstantial evidence. Equally as naive as Vinny's statement, without proof.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,611 #59 January 17, 2008 QuoteNo - I take issue with you saying that you KNOW it was racism based on circumstantial evidence. I didn't. I said it was naive of Vinny to say that it definitely wasn't.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
