SICK of hearing about the US Elections!

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But then I don't watch ANY tv, and am, therefore, out of most loops.

Kinda nice, ain't it? Not to mention the fact that you can (usually) get more and better info from the 'net...

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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Yes.. The American people....

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

To get out of the 8th grade in California a long time ago, I had to memorize that and take a test on it. Wonder if kids do now?

Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

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Doubtful.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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Most places in this country are getting exactly what they pay for.. Jack and Shit

Teachers are paid squat

Administrators are OVERPAID for what they actually do.

Most school systems have all the appearance of large baby sitting operations in many large cities.

My tax dollars are being wasted... And when we have a fucknugget who seems to think the answer to the problem is No Child Left Behind... where teachers teach to a test instead of giving our young a real education... then yes we have a problem.

Parents in most cases are also part of the problem.. since most of them seem to be as stupid as their children. They will not work with their children on homework.. I think because they are afraid of looking stupid.. OR they cant be bothered to help them because ESPN is on....and the Winston Cup rerun is on

The whole dumb as dirt and proud of it.. and denigrating those who DO try to learn and prosper is a huge part of the problem. Look at how many here put down "elitists".... when in actuality its good ole boys who feel jealous of those with a better education and who seek to better lives for their family and themselves.

Until education is valued far more than it currently is..by paying for better teachers.... and getting the parents involved... it will not change and the system will continue its slide into mediocrity.

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sad.

Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

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I don't disagree with anyting you've posted... welcome to liberal education! Of course, some of the 'dumb as dirt and proud of it' attitude just *might* be in response to the attitude of the 'elitists' toward anyone they consider to be their lesser....don't you think?

It was (at least) slightly different when you and I were growing up...but I've really seen it take off over the last 20 years.

The overall AIM of the act was good - who DOESN'T want teachers to be more highly-skilled, or to have our children get a better quality of education?

Where I see it breaking down is in the implementation. My understanding, and please correct me if I'm wrong, is that the better a state does on the testing (which, please note, the STATE selects), the more federal funds the state gets.

That is EXACTLY backwards, IMO, if that *IS* the case, and results in "teaching the test", which is a disservice to the students.

Note: before you get TOO wound around the axle over NCLB, you *may* want to look at the Improving America's Schools Act of 1994 and the Elementary and Secondary Education Act of 1965 - this ain't nothing new.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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I'll put New Hampshire teeth against a British smile any day!

News flash, Austin Powers wasn't a documentry.

Newsflash - neither was "Deliverance"

ZING!!!!

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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I don't disagree with anyting you've posted... welcome to liberal education! Of course, some of the 'dumb as dirt and proud of it' attitude just *might* be in response to the attitude of the 'elitists' toward anyone they consider to be their lesser....don't you think?

As Ronnie Raygun once said "There you go again"

Liberal ...schmiberal....sheesh man...if its the liberals at fault for low IQ's and poor educational performance how come the facts do not correlate to your hypothesis.

How come the Conservative RED STATES do so much worse in IQ testing?????

http://chrisevans3d.com/files/iq.htm

I think matching census data to the results of the election reveals some very interesting things. For instance, there is a direct correlation that has been pointed out by the Boston Globe between the divorce rate per state, and who they voted for, as it turns out, the higher the percentage of people voting for Bush, the higher the divorce rate. That is very interesting considering many people voted based on 'values' and 'morality'. I am still scratching my head about that one, I was a 'values voter' as well, though I value honesty, compassion, and human life.

I am glad that so many people are so interested in IQ, statistical correlations, and their relation to politics. I believe such correlations are increasingly interesting as some candidates this year funneled more money into biased advertising and partisan propaganda than has ever been attempted in the history of the world.

State Avg. IQ 2004
1 Connecticut 113 Kerry
2 Massachusetts 111 Kerry
3 New Jersey 111 Kerry
4 New York 109 Kerry
5 Rhode Island 107 Kerry
6 Hawaii 106 Kerry
7 Maryland 105 Kerry
8 New Hampshire 105 Kerry
9 Illinois 104 Kerry
10 Delaware 103 Kerry
11 Minnesota 102 Kerry
12 Vermont 102 Kerry
13 Washington 102 Kerry
14 California 101 Kerry
15 Pennsylvania 101 Kerry
16 Maine 100 Kerry
17 Virginia 100 Bush
18 Wisconsin 100 Kerry
19 Colorado 99 Bush
20 Iowa 99 Bush
21 Michigan 99 Kerry
22 Nevada 99 Bush
23 Ohio 99 Bush
24 Oregon 99 Kerry
25 Alaska 98 Bush
26 Florida 98 Bush
27 Missouri 98 Bush
28 Kansas 96 Bush
29 Nebraska 95 Bush
30 Arizona 94 Bush
31 Indiana 94 Bush
32 Tennessee 94 Bush
33 North Carolina 93 Bush
34 West Virginia 93 Bush
35 Arkansas 92 Bush
36 Georgia 92 Bush
37 Kentucky 92 Bush
38 New Mexico 92 Bush
39 North Dakota 92 Bush
40 Texas 92 Bush
41 Alabama 90 Bush
42 Louisiana 90 Bush
43 Montana 90 Bush
44 Oklahoma 90 Bush
45 South Dakota 90 Bush
46 South Carolina 89 Bush
47 Wyoming 89 Bush
48 Idaho 87 Bush
49 Utah 87 Bush
50 Mississippi 85 Bush

AS far as someone being my "lesser"....If they are tryin to put on "airs".. and dont have the education to stimulate the brain cells to do their thing .. and SOUND like an idiot.. and ACT like an idiot..... and their median income as a result is below the norm in this country... what measure do we then use in our affluent society to call them a dumbass.

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Did all the smart people in Arkansas go to Washington with Clinton or were they just as stupid when they voted for him?

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No - there YOU go again with the incessant "IT'S ALL THE REPUBLICAN'S FAULT" crap, as usual.

As for "airs" - I see that a lot more from liberals than I do conservatives, I can tell you that. It's amply illustrated in this forum, as well.

Now - on to the meat of the subject.

Education has become more and more liberalized since the late 60's / early 70's. Testing and achievement have been replaced by "good trys" and "self-esteem", and we're graduating more functional idiots than ever before. There's a sad grain of truth in the joke about the Liberal Arts major mantra being "You want fries with that?" When was the last time you had someone give you change WITHOUT having to punch it into the cash register and get the amount from the readout, hmm?

Go read "The Rape of Alma Mater" and tell me if it isn't true.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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Its an average.... but they probably all left.. it went red state soon after

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No - there YOU go again with the incessant "IT'S ALL THE REPUBLICAN'S FAULT" crap, as usual.

AS Forrest Gump said..........."Stupid is as stupid does"


Yall voted for this mess and now you are trying to pass the buck and distance yourself from all you voted for... just like your Incompetent in Chief.

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Whatever, Jeanne - you just keep drinking that kool-aid, ok?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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Poor Mikey... so disillusioned with his party and all they told him... boo hoo.. but hey.. at least Clinton got a blow job... want to bet King George the 2nd or Little Dickey Cheney have not got one in years tsk tsk tsk...no wonder they are such assholes. All that pent up frustration......BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Clinton got a blow job...

Are you sure Delliverence wasn't a documentry? Anyu thread on US politics always eventually comes down to... "Clinton got a blow job..."

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

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Have you seen Deliverance???.....I think I remember it being in Georgia.... and I dont remember any blow jobs... just "Make im squal like a pig"

Different Oriface ya know....

Now do your home work and go rent the movie...

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My tax dollars are being wasted... And when we have a fucknugget who seems to think the answer to the problem is No Child Left Behind... where teachers teach to a test instead of giving our young a real education... then yes we have a problem.

If education hadn't been hijacked by some kind of liberal, feel good, there are no winners and no losers, type mentality, long before GWB got into office, we wouldn't have to fix it now, would we?
Yet, these same people object to parents who want to take their tax money and either home school or send the kid to a serious school.

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Avg. IQ 2004
1 Connecticut 113 Kerry
2 Massachusetts 111 Kerry
3 New Jersey 111 Kerry
4 New York 109 Kerry
5 Rhode Island 107 Kerry
6 Hawaii 106 Kerry
7 Maryland 105 Kerry
8 New Hampshire 105 Kerry
9 Illinois 104 Kerry
10 Delaware 103 Kerry
11 Minnesota 102 Kerry
12 Vermont 102 Kerry
13 Washington 102 Kerry
14 California 101 Kerry
15 Pennsylvania 101 Kerry
16 Maine 100 Kerry
17 Virginia 100 Bush
18 Wisconsin 100 Kerry

So, the smartest people in the land picked, backed and voted for a loser. Hmmmm.

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So, the smartest people in the land picked, backed and voted for a loser. Hmmmm.

Yes..... this is a representative democracy... and when you have more dumbasses you end up with the government we have now..... being subjected to an IDIOCRACY.

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Clinton got a blow job...

Are you sure Delliverence wasn't a documentry? Anyu thread on US politics always eventually comes down to... "Clinton got a blow job..."

That's about all we seem to want to remember of his time in office. Sex does sell, ya' know. Our political system is so screwed-up! Big business buys-off the fat-cat politicians and the politicians shove down our throats with lame speeches about how wonderful (whatever), is for our good and well being and how everyone will profit or gain from it. The spin-doctors hypnotize us with statistics and 'facts' and we buy it like Big Macs! The politicians and big business reap the benifits and we suck a hind teat. Same ol' deal!


Chuck

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... and when you have more dumbasses you end up with the government we have now..... being subjected to an IDIOCRACY.

Not a horrible movie premise. A little worse in execution, but still worth watching.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

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DUDE... I loved that movie...and it SOOOOOOOOOOO fits these idiots currently in power. I can see it happening all too easily.