lawrocket 3 #1 January 7, 2008 Is is over? Hillary seems to recognize that her push for the presidency is over. Apparently, she let the water works flow while she was giving a speech at a campaign stop in NH. While she is vowing to go on, it seems as though she may recognize that checkmate is in sight. It recalls Ed Muskie, who was alleged to have broken down in tears while defending his wife from (unjustified, IMO) attacks. Such a thing thoroughly derailed his calm image. Hillary, I'm afraid, recognizes the loss of her aspirations - her dreams. It's probably, however, the most human thing we've seen from her - ever. As a sidenote, Obama is continuing to impress me. Polls suggest he has a huge lead, but he is telling people openly not to take it for granted. he has a lead, and is working hard and moving forward. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #2 January 7, 2008 Heard it - IMO - it was a calculated stunt to try and garner more support no candidate will throw in the towel this soon and she's too manipulative to think this was anything other than a calculated manuver. I like Obama - but still convinced that his end goal will be to spend everyone's money in sight. Hopefully he'd be balanced by opposition in Congress (or if a R get pres, vice versa) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #3 January 7, 2008 QuoteHeard it - IMO - it was a calculated stunt to try and garner more support no candidate will throw in the towel this soon and she's too manipulative to think this was anything other than a calculated manuver. Mos' def'!Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AWL71 0 #4 January 7, 2008 QuoteHeard it - IMO - it was a calculated stunt to try and garner more support no candidate will throw in the towel this soon and she's too manipulative to think this was anything other than a calculated manuver. I like Obama - but still convinced that his end goal will be to spend everyone's money in sight. Hopefully he'd be balanced by opposition in Congress (or if a R get pres, vice versa) Couldn't agree more. Pure showmanship to get some sympathy and make her appear human and likable.The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #5 January 7, 2008 QuoteObama is continuing to impress me. I like him as a friend, but it would never work out between us.Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #6 January 7, 2008 QuoteCouldn't agree more. Pure showmanship to get some sympathy and make her appear human and likable. The suckers on her forearms, pointy teeth and tiny horns really give it away, though. Even with her hooves covered by fashionable shoes. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #7 January 7, 2008 Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #8 January 7, 2008 I disagree. She's not that good of a showman. Her husband? Yeah, I could see it. He was a master of the manipulation. But not Hillary. She simply doesn't have it in her to deliberately exhibit ANY form of weakness to anyone, anywhere. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #9 January 7, 2008 QuoteShe's not that good of a showman. Just based on her body language alone--I might have bought it until she did the dramatic pause, then placed her chin in her hand and shook her head. Video.Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #10 January 7, 2008 QuoteHeard it - IMO - it was a calculated stunt to try and garner more support I find that very hard to believe and especially since she's a woman. No one in their right mind would ever do this intentionally as it shows the candidate to be "weak" in the minds of some and especially not a woman candidate that has to fight against that image anyway.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #11 January 7, 2008 Quote Heard it - IMO - it was a calculated stunt to try and garner more support -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I find that very hard to believe and especially since she's a woman. Oy vey. You just don't know women at all! Quote No one in their right mind would ever do this intentionally Hilary is just not right-minded. Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lefty 0 #12 January 7, 2008 QuoteShe simply doesn't have it in her to deliberately exhibit ANY form of weakness to anyone, anywhere. That's what she wants you to think.Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful. -Calvin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #13 January 7, 2008 QuoteQuoteShe simply doesn't have it in her to deliberately exhibit ANY form of weakness to anyone, anywhere. That's what she wants you to think. You'd think she'd want us to think that she's a good president - not that she's an emotional mess right now. I'll admit it it - I don't think it's staged. Campaigning has got to be hell. She's waited her whole life and thought she'd be THE frontrunner this year. And she's finding that it's not to be, and she's losing to a guy whom she believes to be unqualified. Look at everythign going on with her, and her ambitions evaporating. What would ANYBODY do in that situation? Man, I'd probably be in tears by now. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #14 January 7, 2008 QuoteHeard it - IMO - it was a calculated stunt to try and garner more support no candidate will throw in the towel this soon and she's too manipulative to think this was anything other than a calculated manuver. I like Obama - but still convinced that his end goal will be to spend everyone's money in sight. Hopefully he'd be balanced by opposition in Congress (or if a R get pres, vice versa) All of that, though if the race comes down to Obama and McCain, I won't worry as much about an opposing Congress as I did with Bush v. Kerry. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #15 January 7, 2008 Are we talking about Britney or Hillary? I have to say: "emotional mess"? Because she barely teared up in an interview? No. She gave enough to be considered "human" and "relatable", and no more than that. Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #16 January 7, 2008 QuoteI disagree. She's not that good of a showman. No, but it's far from over. She and Edwards have a huge advantage over Obama in the election that matters, and she probably still sees herself akin to Bush early in the 2000 campaign - preordained as the candidate. Or going back to the 1992 election, Bill Clinton was the frontrunner that did not win Iowa or New Hampshire. Iowa was not far from a 3 way tie. It may well be that Clinton never really gets past the 30% level, but changing up her campaign may change the results substantially. The people who follow closely the other states results are the ones that already have made choices. Let's be honest, you were never going to vote for her, so of course you're going to see these flaws in her performance. The important question is would potential voters see it the same way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,603 #17 January 7, 2008 I'd kind of like to see her on the ticket as VP. She's given an awful lot of considered thought to what would be needed in a presidency, but just because of who she is, there's no way she'd ever be an effective president. And, well, it's not like being hated as an evil manipulative being has hurt Dick Cheney much Wendy W. There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #18 January 7, 2008 She is running out of altitude, airspeed, and ideas. This one won't float.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #19 January 7, 2008 I think she held back - a lot! I think she DID compose herself admirably. So I think she actually let on LESS than what she was feeling as opposed to letting out a tear for the sake of press. I think she's emotionally spent right now and realizing that it will not be. Just my thoughts. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #20 January 7, 2008 QuoteI'd kind of like to see her on the ticket as VP. She's given an awful lot of considered thought to what would be needed in a presidency, but just because of who she is, there's no way she'd ever be an effective president. But do you see her taking the normal role of the VP (going to funerals, defending anything the President does)? One would really feel they needed her votes to take that chance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #21 January 7, 2008 I understand, and I like you. I could easily argue your POV as well. "Realizing that it will not be"? I don't know about that. It's far too early to "throw in the towel"--as rehmwa put it. While no doubt she would have answered the question with the same answer, she most definitely (imo) would have answered it in a different manner had it not been for her critics. But, frankly scallop I don't give a clam. Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #22 January 7, 2008 >But do you see her taking the normal role of the VP (going to >funerals, defending anything the President does)? I could easily see that. She's done it before. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #23 January 7, 2008 Quote I could easily see that. She's done it before. She certainly has. Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #24 January 8, 2008 She has that Ted Kennedy profile. In the long-term, unelectable. In the short-term, she is political teflon. Nothing grimy will stick to her. Plus, she is willing to sell her soul. That makes her a financial rainmaker for the party. She'll be around for a long.... long time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #25 January 8, 2008 I'm still voting for Wiggum."There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
