Do "madmen" and criminals have a right to bear arms?

[mnealtx 0]

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19 Noes, 7 Yeses so far.

So what can be done to make it harder for madmen and criminals to get guns. "Nothing" is NOT an acceptable answer.

Then please enlighten us with your solution. Oh, I forgot - you don't HAVE one - you just want to bleat about how it's such a problem and try to get someone ELSE to come up with one for you.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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[kallend 2,184]

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19 Noes, 7 Yeses so far.

So what can be done to make it harder for madmen and criminals to get guns. "Nothing" is NOT an acceptable answer.

Then please enlighten us with your solution. Oh, I forgot - you don't HAVE one - you just want to bleat about how it's such a problem and try to get someone ELSE to come up with one for you.

I have posted it many times already, you have already acknowledged it in another thread, yet still you continue to whine that I haven't posted it.

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[mnealtx 0]

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19 Noes, 7 Yeses so far.

So what can be done to make it harder for madmen and criminals to get guns. "Nothing" is NOT an acceptable answer.

Then please enlighten us with your solution. Oh, I forgot - you don't HAVE one - you just want to bleat about how it's such a problem and try to get someone ELSE to come up with one for you.

I have posted it many times already, you have already acknowledged it in another thread, yet still you continue to whine that I haven't posted it.

This may help.

No, Professor...what you've posted many times already is, in essence, "I want you pro-gun people to figure out a solution for me".

So... in plain words - WHAT is your solution and HOW are you going to implement it?

No more dodging, no more referring back to posts asking pro-2nd folks to come up with a solution, no more posts about "so you PREFER that madmen and criminals be armed?" bullshit.... write it down, here and now - or admit that you don't have a solution.

WHAT LAWS are you going to pass to alleviate your "problem"? Also, HOW are you going to get the CRIMINALS to obey them?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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[kallend 2,184]

Pretending to be stupid does not become you.

If more guns = less crime, street gang territory must be the safest place in the USA.

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[Lefty 0]

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"Nothing" is NOT an acceptable answer.

Says you. Nothing is exactly what needs to be done. I'd rather not have the government placing too many restrictions on who can and who can't purchase weapons. Restricting criminals is fine because they've demonstrated an unwillingness to live by society's laws. "Madmen", as you so nebulously put it, who, I assume, have done nothing wrong (otherwise they'd be filed under "criminals"), should not have their firearm purchasing abilities restricted.

As long as I have the means to shoot back at the occasional madman who goes off the deep end, I can live with the fact that sometimes the wrong person gets his hands on a gun despite any and all laws that are on the books. It's one of the prices of a free society.

As far as criminals obtaining guns goes, you may as well be asking how to stop criminals from committing crimes. Good luck with that one.

Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful.
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[kallend 2,184]

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As long as I have the means to shoot back at the occasional madman who goes off the deep end, I can live with the fact that sometimes the wrong person gets his hands on a gun despite any and all laws that are on the books. It's one of the prices of a free society.

Of course, the madman may get you first.

If guns are the answer, then street gang territory should be the safest place in the USA.

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[mnealtx 0]

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Pretending to be stupid does not become you.

If more guns = less crime, street gang territory must be the safest place in the USA.

Dodging the question and putting words in other's mouths doesn't become YOU, either.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[KelliJ 0]

The background checks are a good idea, they just need tweaking to make them more effective. To my understanding, if a dealer has not received a reply to a background check within 3 days they can sell the gun. I don't like that provision since it leave the chance a felon may slip though, but I'm not sure what to do there without increasing the chances of civil rights being violated. Maybe increase to 5 days?
Those who buy guns on a regular basis for legal purposes should be able to get a card that is updated every 3-6 months that shows they have passed a chack and can legally purchase. As is now a person must undergo a check each time a purchase is made. A card would save time and effort for all concerned.
Severe and mandatory penalties should be in order for those who knowingly sell to a felon who later uses the gun in a crime, penalties that rival those of the actual perpetrator.
I feel jail sentences do the most good when the response is, "HOLY SHIT! x years for THAT??"
In short, buy as many guns as you want. have fun with them. Sell them to others who respect the law. But break the law and you will pay out the wazoo!

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[mnealtx 0]

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If guns are the answer, then street gang territory should be the safest place in the USA.

[rushmc 23]

then spoons cause obesity" thing.....

LMFAO

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[AdamLanes 1]

The federal government arbitrarily turns many of its citizens into criminals thereby effectively denying them police protection from real crimes against life and property. Since these citizens cannot rely on the police or courts to help them for fear of their own prosecution, then they must arm themselves to protect their right to life.

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The federal government arbitrarily turns many of its citizens into criminals thereby effectively denying them police protection from real crimes against life and property. Since these citizens cannot rely on the police or courts to help them for fear of their own prosecution, then they must arm themselves to protect their right to life.

The role of the police is to protect the community as a whole, they have no responsibility to individual citizens. Warren vs. District of Columbia (and many other cases).

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[Lindsey 0]

madman

That word is so very dramatic and ambiguous. What the hell is a madman, exactly? It's a word that invokes emotion of some negative sort, but doesn't give enough information to really mean anything. What is *your* definition of "madman?"

linz

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[AdamLanes 1]

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The role of the police is to protect the community as a whole, they have no responsibility to individual citizens. Warren vs. District of Columbia (and many other cases).

More the reason that individuals must arm themselves to protect their life and property.

[mnealtx 0]

I certainly don't disagree with that. I'm sure the "blood in teh STREETS!!!!11!" brigade will be along shortly, however.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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[christelsabine 1]

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.... Since these citizens cannot rely on the police or courts to help them for fear of their own prosecution, then they must arm themselves to protect their right to life.

Jesus. What a piss poor statement coming from a US citizen .....

If you're not: Congrats! Fine cristal clear view regarding actual situation!

Jesus.

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[rushmc 23]

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.... Since these citizens cannot rely on the police or courts to help them for fear of their own prosecution, then they must arm themselves to protect their right to life.

Jesus. What a piss poor statement coming from a US citizen .....

If you're not: Congrats! Fine cristal clear view regarding actual situation!

Jesus.

Ah, are you aware of the court cases that dealt directly with this? SC cases?

Yes, related to the statements you po po

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[mnealtx 0]

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.... Since these citizens cannot rely on the police or courts to help them for fear of their own prosecution, then they must arm themselves to protect their right to life.

Jesus. What a piss poor statement coming from a US citizen .....

If you're not: Congrats! Fine cristal clear view regarding actual situation!

Jesus.

Talking through your hat again, Christel.

Perhaps you should do a quick google search next time - you won't embarass yourself as badly, then.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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[kallend 2,184]

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madman

That word is so very dramatic and ambiguous. What the hell is a madman, exactly? It's a word that invokes emotion of some negative sort, but doesn't give enough information to really mean anything. What is *your* definition of "madman?"

linz

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I guess Douva wanted it to invoke emotion.

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[kallend 2,184]

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If guns are the answer, then street gang territory should be the safest place in the USA.

Am I really hearing this from a college professor?

[mnealtx 0]

Answer the question, Professor.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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[Lindsey 0]

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madman

That word is so very dramatic and ambiguous. What the hell is a madman, exactly? It's a word that invokes emotion of some negative sort, but doesn't give enough information to really mean anything. What is *your* definition of "madman?"

linz

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I guess Douva wanted it to invoke emotion.

Yeah, obviously. But it keeps getting thrown around. I'm just wondering how YOU meant it? Who is included in the category "madmen?"

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As long as I have the means to shoot back at the occasional madman who goes off the deep end, I can live with the fact that sometimes the wrong person gets his hands on a gun despite any and all laws that are on the books. It's one of the prices of a free society.

Of course, the madman may get you first.

If guns are the answer, then street gang territory should be the safest place in the USA.

Or a gun store. Better yet, any major sanctioned shooting event such as The Grand American Trap Shoot and Camp Perry. Enough guns at either of these to make "gangland" look like Disney World yet both are among the safest places to be in the U.S.
I have to agree, Professor, that your analogy is quite a ways out there.

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So what can be done to make it harder for madmen and criminals to get guns. "Nothing" is NOT an acceptable answer.

Yes, the politician's mantra. If faced with a problem, any action, regardless of how productive or stupid, is preferable to no action. Just look like you're doing something about it.

Hence the Patriot Act.