ltdiver 3 #1 January 4, 2008 Looks like they like Obama vs Huckabee at this first caucus. ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #2 January 4, 2008 Doesn't Huckabee look like Kaizer Soze? My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #3 January 4, 2008 I'm disappointed Ron Paul didn't make a better showing. Even if he had come in, say, third, it would have been a strong impetus for the GOP to start swinging a bit libertarian to attract some of the independents who voted for him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #4 January 4, 2008 QuoteKaizer Soze I wonder how many people would vote for Kaizer Soze... at least he could not get away with the pretence of not being a crook Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #5 January 4, 2008 >I wonder how many people would vote for Kaizer Soze.. Well, he's a fictional character in a fictional movie. Doesn't that make him real? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #6 January 4, 2008 QuoteI'm disappointed Ron Paul didn't make a better showing. Even if he had come in, say, third, it would have been a strong impetus for the GOP to start swinging a bit libertarian to attract some of the independents who voted for him. Not surprising, unfortunately...especially with the MSM doing everything possible to cast doubt on him the last several months.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #7 January 4, 2008 QuoteWell, he's a fictional character in a fictional movie. Doesn't that make him real? Well we did elect an actor as president.... who kept bringing up his fictional characters as if their deeds were real. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #8 January 4, 2008 QuoteLooks like they like Obama vs Huckabee at this first caucus. And now, the actual games begin. What we've had up to now was more akin to the clowns running around the audience before the main show in the circus starts. With any luck, we'll now hear less and less of the clowns and the major players take the stage. I think it's a piece of crap that about 120,000 people have such a huge influence over 300,000,000 and I really think it's crap that a lot of people will now align themselves with these two "front runners" based on the opinion of so few.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #9 January 4, 2008 Quote[...especially with the MSM doing everything possible to cast doubt on him the last several months. The Meatballs & Spaghetti Monster? Aren't we supposed to keep church and steak separate?" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #10 January 4, 2008 QuoteQuoteWell, he's a fictional character in a fictional movie. Doesn't that make him real? Well we did elect an actor as president.... who kept bringing up his fictional characters as if their deeds were real. Wasn't that a hoot? Gotta have liked his honesty though; actually admitting in public that he thought nuclear missles could be "recalled" after they were launched. "Uh, no Sir, there isn't a JUST KIDDING or DO OVER button." Ah, giddy days. We could have them back though. Could you imagine if Hillary wins. We could have a semi-senile Old Bill, the quintessential dirty old man, chasing interns areound the White House; while Hillary does her best to impersonate a man. I'll bet all the comedians and the entire membership of the writers guild are pulling for her." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #11 January 4, 2008 QuoteI'm disappointed Ron Paul didn't make a better showing. Even if he had come in, say, third, it would have been a strong impetus for the GOP to start swinging a bit libertarian to attract some of the independents who voted for him.I believe that the Fair Tax, which is promoted be Neal Boortz, an outspoken Liberterian, is actually being actively pushed by Huckabee. How much more Liberterian can you get than to take one of the main sources of power away from politicians? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #12 January 4, 2008 Quote Quote Looks like they like Obama vs Huckabee at this first caucus. And now, the actual games begin. What we've had up to now was more akin to the clowns running around the audience before the main show in the circus starts. With any luck, we'll now hear less and less of the clowns and the major players take the stage. Any wonder that this tune seems to be the theme song to this race up 'til now? ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #13 January 4, 2008 QuoteI'm disappointed Ron Paul didn't make a better showing. Even if he had come in, say, third, it would have been a strong impetus for the GOP to start swinging a bit libertarian to attract some of the independents who voted for him. He did beat Giuliani & is within striking distance of McCain & Thompson. Did you see the map of how the different counties in Iowa voted? Ron Paul won in one county: JEFFERSON county! I thought that was kind of cool (Paul being the most Jeffersonian of all the candidates). http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=caucus Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #14 January 4, 2008 Quotehttp://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=caucus My home county voted for Huckabee and Clinton - I think I might vomit - twice ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #15 January 4, 2008 > How much more Liberterian can you get than to take one of the >main sources of power away from politicians? What power are you taking away? They will still spend as much as they can. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #16 January 4, 2008 Quote> How much more Liberterian can you get than to take one of the >main sources of power away from politicians? What power are you taking away? They will still spend as much as they can. The power to decide who pays is very great. The power to encourage people to spend in certain ways (for tax consideration) is also great. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #17 January 4, 2008 QuoteDid you see the map of how the different counties in Iowa voted? Ron Paul won in one county: JEFFERSON county! I thought that was kind of cool (Paul being the most Jeffersonian of all the candidates). Hmmm, I wonder how he'll do in this city.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #18 January 4, 2008 Quote I'm disappointed Ron Paul didn't make a better showing. Even if he had come in, say, third, it would have been a strong impetus for the GOP to start swinging a bit libertarian to attract some of the independents who voted for him. I'd have like to see a third place finish for him, but am satisfied that he garnered double-digit support. With that and Obama taking the Democratic side of the house, I'm reasonably happy with the results. I just wish the theologian hadn't won the majority GOP vote. I gotta get smarter compatriots. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #19 January 4, 2008 How much more Liberterian can you get than to take one of the >main sources of power away from politicians? QuoteWhat power are you taking away? They will still spend as much as they can.The power of using demography to keep their jobs. For instance, they could no longer play to the retirement crowd about the destruction of SS. All of the money would come out of one single source. It would eliminate the ability to use class warfare to get votes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike111 0 #20 January 5, 2008 If i was American I would go for Mcain simply due to his experience - clinton I would say is too self obsessed, and obama too inexperienced. Will be interesting to see if he loses if he will go back into obscurity again. No discrimination aginst young politicians but experience and stability is alwasy preferred I would say. Like Tony blair, first term he confesse to having no conviction - a wasted 4 years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #21 January 5, 2008 Tony Blair's first term was also the party's first term in a long time. It wasn't just him that needed to be accustomed to power. The US system is a bit different as the dems have still wielded power over the last 8 years; in the Congress due to the relative lack of party discipline, and at various state houses. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,488 #22 January 5, 2008 Thirteen states and two territories, Guam and Puerto Rico, will select delegates by caucuses. The rest of the 37 states will select their delegates by primaries. In 1992, Bill Clinton only picked up 3% of the Iowa caucus (behind Paul Tsongas' 4%) and against Iowa's own then Senator Tom Harkin who received 73%. President Bush the first ran in the Iowa caucus unopposed. Using the Iowa caucus as an indicator of who will become president is like saying Dallas is going to the SuperBowl because it won its first game of the season. It's going to be a long interesting summer. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #23 January 5, 2008 >Using the Iowa caucus as an indicator of who will become president is >like saying Dallas is going to the SuperBowl because it won its first game >of the season. If winning games actually made teams better players, then it would make some sense. Likewise, if winning primaries and caucases improved the image of the candidate, then early outcomes _do_ matter. (Which, in our popularity contest elections, happens.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,488 #24 January 6, 2008 Agreed. I must admit that it made me look deeper at both candidate's website's to delve further into their positions on the "Issues" as well as looking at their voting records. But, here again, I think it's still a little early in the season to start selling champions. We've yet to go thru a couple of losses, the injured reserve list or the inevitable steroid scandal.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #25 January 7, 2008 Quote In 1992, Bill Clinton only picked up 3% of the Iowa caucus (behind Paul Tsongas' 4%) and against Iowa's own then Senator Tom Harkin who received 73%. President Bush the first ran in the Iowa caucus unopposed. Using the Iowa caucus as an indicator of who will become president is like saying Dallas is going to the SuperBowl because it won its first game of the season. It's going to be a long interesting summer. Agreed. And yet the 2000 and 2004 Iowa caucus winners went on to be their party's nominee. Quote I must admit that it made me look deeper at both candidate's website's to delve further into their positions on the "Issues" as well as looking at their voting records. And that's exactly what we should do. ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
