Northern Ireland - Irish or British?

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The only people who care about that crap really seem to be Americans who think they are Irish

So tell me Jamil....hmmmmm ..is that name Celtic or Saxon???

Arabic whats your point?

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'The only people who care about that crap really seem to be Americans who think they are Irish'


Hahaha!! Indeed. The amount of times I've been chatting to some American in a bar and heard them say; 'Ah'm Scattish too' or 'Ah'm Irish'.

'Oh really?' I've answered. 'Why don't you have a Scottish/Irish accent then?'

The answer? 'We'all, it's fram my Great, Great, Grandfather who once spent around 10 minutes in Scotchland/Ireland on his way to America.....' or some other similiar nonsense. Brilliant!

LMAO too true.

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Sorry! What can I say in regards to their decent? Does it matter? And besides; I've nothing but respect for the Queen.......

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

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You made my point for me.... you have a Brit Flag.. yet are of Indian sub-continent descent or do you discount your heritage as easily as you discount mine???

With names like Sullivan... O'Neill... and Cameron.. I might just have a little claim to where some of my anscestral lands are at.

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You made my point for me.... you have a Brit Flag.. yet are of Indian sub-continent descent or do you discount your heritage as easily as you discount mine???

With names like Sullivan... O'Neill... and Cameron.. I might just have a little claim to where some of my anscestral lands are at.

No my dear I'm afraid you have MY point for me. I recognise my ancestory, on my fathers side Indian/Pakistani go back far enough and they were Arab. On my mothers side Scotish, Irish (Co Tyrone NI) Welsh and English go back far enough on one branch and they can be traced back to the Normans who were French. Does that make me French? No Irish? No Welsh? No Indian? No
I was born in England brought up in England and served in the British forces. Am I English? Maybe maybe not depending on how one defines being English but I am British. I'm a Brit. The Union flag is MY flag and I'm proud of it.
Just because one has a Irish/Scotish grandparent does not make one Irish/Scotish and don't even get me started on 'African' Americans.

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I recognise my ancestory, on my fathers side Indian/Pakistani go back far enough and they were Arab

Hmm very selective..... I guess. I thought the Indian culture goes back far into pre-history... interesting you would only trace it back to the Arab conquests. I guess you discount all the other parts that pre-date that.

Our family can trace its roots back as far as the 10th century.... and before that not much is known other than its an admixture of celtic.. saxon and some derives from the danes who invaded along the coasts as part of the viking raids. One branch of the family left in the 1600's as part of the flight of the earls... but I guess in your eyes none of that matters.

Another branch of my family is native american....european settlers discount that as well and did what they could to eradicate the first nations peoples... they failed to do that.

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Hmm very selective..... I guess. I thought the Indian culture goes back far into pre-history... interesting you would only trace it back to the Arab conquests. I guess you discount all the other parts that pre-date that.

I was talking about MY family history not the entire history of India(As I know you like them so much)
Anyway As I said before you are a American regardless of where all your Ancestors are from it still doesn't make you Irish.

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Hmm ok you ve convinced me...

I know I am an American.. born here with 300 years of family history on this continent... But the Irish anscestry... is telling me to go make a big donation to the IRA... just to fuck with the British who stole our lands and titles.

That should help keep a few more lower class brits employed and deployed ... that is what the British have always relied upon to maintain order in their conquered territories... soldiers from their lower classes who need the work.

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Which IRA?

PIRA
RIRA
CIRA
OIRA

The Provos now have no use for it and make tons out of Stormont working as community councilors. The RIRA could do with the money so they can kill another 29 IRISH people including if they are lucky another pregnant woman.
The CIRA could use the money as theres only three of them and Paddy won't share his shotgun with Mick who won't give his binos to Sean who is too busy phoning Castle court to tell them theres a bomb in a shop (well there might be if you gave him the money to buy the fertiliser)
OIRA could do with the money as the price of Harp has gone up and the stories get longer as the years do too.
Still if you want to support terrorism and be responsible for the death of innocent people then thats your business.

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Gee I notice you do not mention ANY of the Protestant terrorist groups.....or am I mistaken

I hope you are not trying to pull the wool over our eyes that they never participated in the same kind of terror

Oh thats right.. they are on YOUR side.. they must be freedom fighters.

If I remember I think it was the protestants that started "the troubles"


Edited to add... FOUND IT

http://www.cfr.org/publication/9274/

What attacks have the loyalist paramilitary groups carried out?
Despite accounting for almost thirty percent of the deaths in the Northern Ireland conflict, loyalists’ attacks have generally drawn far less media and international attention than those perpetrated by the IRA. Major loyalist attacks include:

The UVF’s 1966 shooting of four Catholics, one fatally, outside a Belfast pub. This attack was the first major act of sectarian violence since Ireland was divided, and it spurred Catholic activism, which soon turned violent.
The UVF’s 1969 bombing of a power station near Belfast. Initially attributed to the IRA, this attack also helped trigger the Troubles.
The UVF’s 1971 bombing of a Belfastpub, which killed fifteen people.
A pair of UVF bombings in Dublin and Monaghan, both in the Republic of Ireland, on May 17, 1974, that killed thirty-three civilians, making this day the deadliest of the conflict.
The UDA’s October 1993 machine-gun attack on a bar in the Northern Ireland town of Greysteel, which killed eight civilians.
The LVF killing of Sinn Fein leader Gerry Adams’ nephew in January 1998.
A fierce campaign of intimidation and abuse of Catholic schoolgirls inBelfast between June and October 2001.
The murder of fourBelfast residents in the summer of 2005 (marching season). The Independent Monitoring Commission blamed the UVF for the deaths in a special report in September and the group’s ceasefire was declared broken later that month.
Religious violence, harassment, and intimidation typically flare up during the summer “marching season,” when hard-line Protestants don bowlers and orange sashes and parade through Catholic neighborhoods to celebrate centuries-old battlefield victories. Many Catholics see these parades as provocations.

Have the loyalist groups targeted civilians?
Yes—and more frequently than the IRA. Between 1968 and 1998, loyalist paramilitaries killed an estimated 864 civilians (most of them Catholic), compared with an estimated 728 civilians (most of them Protestant) killed by the IRA. Experts say loyalist groups have often acted out of religious hatred, while the IRA has more often targeted British security officers—killing more than 1,000 of them—in an effort to further its political goal of ejecting the British from Northern Ireland .

Looks like the IRA groups are tarrgeting the military.. while your loyalists are the ones targeting civilians....tsk tsk tsk.. ISNT selective terrorism fun

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The CIRA could use the money as theres only three of them and Paddy won't share his shotgun with Mick

Nice job of makin g a racial slur as well...I pointed out a similar SLIP of the tounge of a Brit officer who came to the SERE school and was VERY racist.... in his briefings to those of us in the RT lab about interrogation techniques they were using in NI. I reminded him that America has a VERY high percentage of "Paddys and Micks " who had managed to escape their eradication efforts..
I LOVED that all too British red face as he was standing there in front of his american military audience.

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I made the mistake of assuming that you knew what the IRA was. You mentioned the IRA (Irish Republican Army) a group of terrorist organisations that belong to the Nationalist side of the conflict in Northern Ireland.
Since you have now brought up the Loyalist Terror groups such as the UDA, UFF, UVF most of whom are now on a ceasefire. If you knew the first thing about the Troubles you'd know that the Loyalists in their own words would 'fight anyone to remain British, including the British'. They have targeted Policemen and Soldiers and are certainly not on 'My side'. They also committed numberous secatrian atrocities over the years. They are now more interested in drug dealing and asorted criminality.
Looks like you need to do some reading, or maybe you'd learn more if you got on a plane and travelled to Northern Ireland. I'd be happy to show you around.

Lest we forget


The 29 people who died in the RIRA Omagh bombing were:

Avril Monaghan, 30, Springtown Road, Augher, Co Tyrone, pregnant with twin girls

Maura Monaghan, 18 months, one of Mrs Monaghan's four children

Mary Grimes, 65, Patrick's Road, Beragh, Co Tyrone, Mrs Monaghan's mother

Breda Devine, 20 months, Dunaroe Road, Aughabrack, Donemana, Co Tyrone

Lorraine Wilson, 15, Camowen Bungalows, Omagh

Samantha McFarland, 17, Clements Villas, Hospital Road, Omagh

Gareth Conway, 18, Aghoghan Park, Carrickmore, Co Tyrone

Julie Hughes, 21, Beltany Road, Omagh

Brenda Logue, 17, Loughmacrory Park, Carrickmore

Elizabeth Rush, 57, Michael Street, Omagh

Rocio Abad-Amos, 23, Victor De La Serra, Madrid, a teacher supervising a group of Spanish and Irish schoolchildren on a day out. The party was in Ireland on an exchange holiday, based in Co Donegal

Fernando Blasco Baselga, 12, Arturo Sorita, Madrid, one of the party

Sean McLaughlin, 12, Knockalla Drive, Buncrana, Co Donegal, with the same group

Oran Doherty, eight, also of Knockalla Drive, Buncrana, also among the exchange programme party

James Barker, 12, Ballintrae, Military Road, Port Haw, Buncrana; another of the exchange programme group

Philomena Skelton, 49, McCrea Park, Drumquin, Co Tyrone

Esther Gibson, 36, Radergan Road, Beragh

Geraldine Breslin, 43, Drumanon Close, Omagh, one of three sales assistants in Watterson's drapers who died

Ann McCombe, 48, Summerhill Park, Omagh, a mother-of-two, also working in Watterson's

Veda Short, 56, Moyla Road, Gortaclare, Beragh, Omagh, a mother-of-four, also working in Watterson's

Adrian Gallagher, 21, Circular Road, Omagh

Alan Radford, 16, Castleview Park, Omagh

Fred White, 60, Knockgreenan Avenue, Omagh

Brian White, 26, same address, Mr White's son

Jolene Marlow, 17, Newtownsaville, Eskra, Omagh

Deborah Cartwright, 20, Birchwood, Omagh

Olive Hawkes, 60, Fecarry Road, Omagh

Brian McCrory, 54, Ballinamullan Road, Killyclogher, Omagh

Sean McGrath, 61, Omagh, died three weeks later

The RIRA did this, wake up and smell the coffee. Look into their eyes, and while you're at it maybe you can point out just which of the children were the 'British security officers' being targeted. You might also notice just how many Catholics and citizens of the IRISH Republic murdered by your heros.

http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/events/omagh/dead.htm

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Nice job of makin g a racial slur as well...I pointed out a similar SLIP of the tounge of a Brit officer who came to the SERE school and was VERY racist.... in his briefings to those of us in the RT lab about interrogation techniques they were using in NI. I reminded him that America has a VERY high percentage of "Paddys and Micks " who had managed to escape their eradication efforts..
I LOVED that all too British red face as he was standing there in front of his american military audience.

It wasn't a slip of the tongue it was a joke. if you came along to the Empire comedy club in Belfast on a tuesday night you'd hear far worse from Catholics, Prods, Hindus and Muslim comics delivered to a mixed audiance all of whom laugh at them, each other and themselves.
As for the jokes, they're a bit like Muslims. Some are good and others are Shi'ite.
Thankfully the Irish and Brits have always been able to laugh at themselves unlike most Americans who just don't get humour unless there's canned laughter to tell them when to laugh.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
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You might also notice just how many Catholics and citizens of the IRISH Republic were murdered by your heros

I never said they were my heros... I think both sides are a bunch of idiots.. BUT your selective memory on who started things is appalling.. but understandable.... you have been drinking the koolaid fed to you by your superiors in the upper class....going back HUNDREDS of years.



Got a list for THIS one that really got the bombings started in earnest....done by the Protestants????

A pair of UVF bombings in Dublin and Monaghan, both in the Republic of Ireland, on May 17, 1974, that killed thirty-three civilians, making this day the deadliest of the conflict.

Again.... the Catholics were fighting b ack against the attrocities that the protestants were perpetrating.. and STILL try to start shit every year during marching season as they parade thru catholic neighborhoods

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I don't have a selective memory seeing as we weren't talking about 'who started it' (you sound like a five year old) I know who started it and all about the attrocities that both sides commited including alot of the dirty shit that the Brits got upto which you will never find on a web site. Like you are so fond of telling me 'in a war the job is to kill the enemy'.

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Again.... the Catholics were fighting b ack against the attrocities that the protestants were perpetrating..

You really belive that shit don't you.

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and STILL try to start shit every year during marching season as they parade thru catholic neighborhoods

Now who has a selective memory? What about the Catholic parades marching in Protestant areas?... Oh yea

Anyway, the Prods are cooperating with the Catholics now to agree on routes for both sides to take and for the last couple of years by and large its working.

http://www.paradescommission.org/

Heres some more 'British security officers targeted by the IRA.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/insideout/northwest/series2/warrington_bomb_terroism_post_traumatic_stress.shtml

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Perhaps its YOU who needs to do some reading.. from your own BBC.. I mean you are over 5 yourself and should be able to read.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/recent/troubles/the_troubles_article_02.shtml

Rioting and disorder was followed in May and June by the murders of two Catholics and a Protestant by a 'loyalist' terror group called the Ulster Volunteer Force.

O'Neill immediately banned the UVF, but it was too late. The cycle of sectarian bloodletting that would become known as 'the Troubles' had already claimed its first victims.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/recent/troubles/overview_ni_article_01.shtml
You may also want to read the HISTORY that has promulgated the violence based on sectarian lines.

English history is replete with sectarian violence.. NI is no different.

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Its time to move on from the past unfortunatly THIS

http://www.victims.org.uk/

is the truth of whats happening today.

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Nice bit of drivel from the unionists

At least I had the decency to bet a site that is BALANCED... its like the fucknuiggets here who continually cite from FAUX NEWS.. or NewsMax instead of something with some semblance of balance.

COUNTERPOINT

http://www.thenation.com/doc/19990524/cockburn



The Good Friday Agreement set forth a route map to settlement of the border question, involving the creation of various institutions, including a Northern Ireland Executive in which Sinn Fein would have seats. The "decommissioning" of illegal arms was explicitly set--and this is the actual language of the agreement--"in the context of the implementation of the overall settlement." Everyone knew then, just as everyone knows now, that the IRA will never unilaterally disarm, especially when on either side of the prescribed road to peace stand--in ascending order of organized and well-armed capacity for violence--the loyalist gangs, the Royal Ulster Constabulary and the British Army. Burned into the IRA's historical consciousness is the terrible memory of 1968-69, when Catholic areas, unarmed and defenseless, faced loyalist mobs, and the bitter gibe was that IRA stood for "I Ran Away."

Suppose Sinn Fein made it a condition of implementation of the agreement that the RUC be disbanded, that all military barracks in the Six Counties be closed?

I've seen one estimate suggesting that in Northern Ireland there are 135,000 legally held weapons, 90 percent of them in the hands of unionists. No one is asking for this arsenal to be decommissioned. Indeed, Christy Ward of The Irish People suggests that the International Commission on disarmament hand out weapons permits to allow the IRA to bring its armory up to par.

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As I said before I am fully aware of the history of the province and the troubles.

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Nice bit of drivel from the unionists

'FAIR was formed as an non-sectarian, non-political organisation to work in the interests of the innocent victims of terrorism in South Armagh.'

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Suppose Sinn Fein made it a condition of implementation of the agreement that the RUC be disbanded, that all military barracks in the Six Counties be closed?

LOL...



I'm afraid that you are almost a decade out of date. The RUC no longer exists the Police in NI is now the Police Service Northern Ireland (PSNI) the millitary bases have closed in almost all of the Six Counties Operation Motorman has now ended. Even Cross been vacated. The PIRA have supposedly put their weapons out of reach and have declared the war over.
The IRA was recently involved in the murder of a Catholic man in Armagh called Paul Quinn the outrage against the IRA came from both sides of the community Catholic AND Prod. Like I said these days most support for the IRA comes from Americans who really don't understand the situation.

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The people of the area have a LONG memory.. you can discount one side if you like based on your predguidices... but in the end... there are two sides to every story and those who have been affected and WHY will simmer on.... and flare up.

Just like your family and WHY you were born in England and not a country that was once named India... that is now 3 different countries.. all based on MASSIVE sectarian violence.

Just like why my family is American... but we still remember where we came from centuries ago.

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Here is two sides for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAsl8uSMRCI&feature=related

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It wasn't a slip of the tongue it was a joke. if you came along to the Empire comedy club in Belfast on a tuesday night you'd hear far worse from Catholics, Prods, Hindus and Muslim comics delivered to a mixed audiance all of whom laugh at them, each other and themselves.
As for the jokes, they're a bit like Muslims. Some are good and others are Shi'ite.
Thankfully the Irish and Brits have always been able to laugh at themselves unlike most Americans who just don't get humour unless there's canned laughter to tell them when to laugh.

Squadron Leader to me in the Officers' Mess at Waddington:

"How much to tarmac my drive then paddy?"

Classic ethnic banter.

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. . . go back far enough on one branch and they can be traced back to the Normans who were French.

Norman as a name is Viking (a derivative of Norsemen) in ancestry, and the people were only French by fault of where they eventually settled. Technically, they were Norse & Frank, though even the roots of the Franks are Germanic. What we now call France just happened to be every barbaric tribes favorite plasce to go pillaging. Might explain their early and quick embrace of Catholicism.

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

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Thanks

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I work on the Falls. I know both sides well and harbor no prejudice towards either side.

My town.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0hWqSvVuSo

Life would be alot better if people who know nothing of the situation either got themselves an education or just kept their noses out. NI is doing fine, peace is here now. Sure there will be problems now and then but on the whole 'the future is bright...'

I prefere this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mirjAoubuEE

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