kallend 2,146 #26 January 2, 2008 QuoteQuote Right - arming madmen is a serious mistake. Unfortunately our society makes it easy for madmen to get firearms. That needs to be fixed. yes, prior restraint is a great answer to our problems. Do you approve of armed madmen in our midst?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #27 January 2, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Right - arming madmen is a serious mistake. Unfortunately our society makes it easy for madmen to get firearms. That needs to be fixed. yes, prior restraint is a great answer to our problems. Do you approve of armed madmen in our midst? Are you willing for the same conditions you wish to impose on the 2nd Amendment to be imposed on the rest? If so, then at least you are arguing from an honest position. If not, well..... Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Douva 0 #28 January 2, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteOne thing in common about all the locations.... disarmed victims. Who cherry-picked the locations? Armed madmen with no regard for the rules. Right - arming madmen is a serious mistake. Unfortunately our society makes it easy for madmen to get firearms. That needs to be fixed. If that's true, name a few societies that have significantly reduced violent crime by disarming everybody.I don't have an M.D. or a law degree. I have bachelor's in kicking ass and taking names. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #29 January 2, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteOne thing in common about all the locations.... disarmed victims. Who cherry-picked the locations? Armed madmen with no regard for the rules. Right - arming madmen is a serious mistake. Unfortunately our society makes it easy for madmen to get firearms. That needs to be fixed. If that's true, name a few societies that have significantly reduced violent crime by disarming everybody. I'll use the same litmus test that I do with any anti-gun proposal - are they willing to have the police be the guinea pigs for the proposal? If not, then it's probably not a good idea in the first place.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #30 January 3, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteOne thing in common about all the locations.... disarmed victims. Who cherry-picked the locations? Armed madmen with no regard for the rules. Right - arming madmen is a serious mistake. Unfortunately our society makes it easy for madmen to get firearms. That needs to be fixed. If that's true, name a few societies that have significantly reduced violent crime by disarming everybody. Who suggested disarming everybody? Nice strawman if it weren't so bloody obvious. I suggested making it harder, much harder, for madmen to get guns.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #31 January 3, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteOne thing in common about all the locations.... disarmed victims. Who cherry-picked the locations? Armed madmen with no regard for the rules. Right - arming madmen is a serious mistake. Unfortunately our society makes it easy for madmen to get firearms. That needs to be fixed. If that's true, name a few societies that have significantly reduced violent crime by disarming everybody. Who suggested disarming everybody? Nice strawman if it weren't so bloody obvious. I suggested making it harder, much harder, for madmen to get guns. And how are you going to do that, pray tell? You have no problems telling us your solution, but no information on how you propose to implement it.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #32 January 3, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteOne thing in common about all the locations.... disarmed victims. Who cherry-picked the locations? Armed madmen with no regard for the rules. Right - arming madmen is a serious mistake. Unfortunately our society makes it easy for madmen to get firearms. That needs to be fixed. If that's true, name a few societies that have significantly reduced violent crime by disarming everybody. Who suggested disarming everybody? Nice strawman if it weren't so bloody obvious. I suggested making it harder, much harder, for madmen to get guns. And how are you going to do that, pray tell? You have no problems telling us your solution, but no information on how you propose to implement it. How did TX implement its VERY SUCCESSFUL program that appears very effective in preventing madmen and criminals from getting CCW permits? I think it was YOU that first brought it to our attention.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #33 January 3, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote One thing in common about all the locations.... disarmed victims. Who cherry-picked the locations? Armed madmen with no regard for the rules. Right - arming madmen is a serious mistake. Unfortunately our society makes it easy for madmen to get firearms. That needs to be fixed. If that's true, name a few societies that have significantly reduced violent crime by disarming everybody. Who suggested disarming everybody? Nice strawman if it weren't so bloody obvious. I suggested making it harder, much harder, for madmen to get guns. And how are you going to do that, pray tell? You have no problems telling us your solution, but no information on how you propose to implement it. Lefty elitists cant have anybody knowing thier true positions. Somebody may not agree with them Or worse yet, somebody may be offended, and they may vote"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #34 January 3, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteOne thing in common about all the locations.... disarmed victims. Who cherry-picked the locations? Armed madmen with no regard for the rules. Right - arming madmen is a serious mistake. Unfortunately our society makes it easy for madmen to get firearms. That needs to be fixed. If that's true, name a few societies that have significantly reduced violent crime by disarming everybody. Who suggested disarming everybody? Nice strawman if it weren't so bloody obvious. I suggested making it harder, much harder, for madmen to get guns. And how are you going to do that, pray tell? You have no problems telling us your solution, but no information on how you propose to implement it. How did TX implement its VERY SUCCESSFUL program that appears very effective in preventing madmen and criminals from getting CCW permits? I think it was YOU that first brought it to our attention. You keep bring TX up. What sepcifically did that state do?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #35 January 3, 2008 Quote Lefty elitists cant have anybody knowing thier true positions. Somebody may not agree with them Or worse yet, somebody may be offended, and they may vote Doesn't it piss you off for your post to be proven wrong even before it's posted?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #36 January 3, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteOne thing in common about all the locations.... disarmed victims. Who cherry-picked the locations? Armed madmen with no regard for the rules. Right - arming madmen is a serious mistake. Unfortunately our society makes it easy for madmen to get firearms. That needs to be fixed. If that's true, name a few societies that have significantly reduced violent crime by disarming everybody. Who suggested disarming everybody? Nice strawman if it weren't so bloody obvious. I suggested making it harder, much harder, for madmen to get guns. And how are you going to do that, pray tell? You have no problems telling us your solution, but no information on how you propose to implement it. How did TX implement its VERY SUCCESSFUL program that appears very effective in preventing madmen and criminals from getting CCW permits? I think it was YOU that first brought it to our attention. Texas isn't doing anything at the time of purchase. Texas does the SAME checks as what are done at purchase when processessing an application for a CONCEALED CARRY LICENSE. Texas doesn't *DO* FOID, Professor. Now, again.... HOW are you going to prevent these people from PURCHASING a weapon, without intrusion into private lives that will make the Patriot Act look like child's play.... not to mention opening up the REST of the BOR to that same standard of 'proof' to be able to exercise the right.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #37 January 3, 2008 Quote Quote Lefty elitists cant have anybody knowing thier true positions. Somebody may not agree with them Or worse yet, somebody may be offended, and they may vote Doesn't it piss you off for your post to be proven wrong even before it's posted? It might if it were truyly the case"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #38 January 3, 2008 Quote Texas isn't doing anything at the time of purchase. Texas does the SAME checks as what are done at purchase when processessing an application for a CONCEALED CARRY LICENSE. Texas doesn't *DO* FOID, Professor. Now, again.... HOW are you going to prevent these people from PURCHASING a weapon, without intrusion into private lives that will make the Patriot Act look like child's play.... not to mention opening up the REST of the BOR to that same standard of 'proof' to be able to exercise the right. If we already find pre-purchase checks to be constitutional (which we do) then making the check an EFFECTIVE check instead of a worthless, useless ineffective, toothless check will not affect anything.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #39 January 3, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Lefty elitists cant have anybody knowing thier true positions. Somebody may not agree with them Or worse yet, somebody may be offended, and they may vote Doesn't it piss you off for your post to be proven wrong even before it's posted? It might if it were truyly the case If you would just pay attention to what has been written previously, debating you would be much more fun.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #40 January 3, 2008 QuoteQuote Texas isn't doing anything at the time of purchase. Texas does the SAME checks as what are done at purchase when processessing an application for a CONCEALED CARRY LICENSE. Texas doesn't *DO* FOID, Professor. Now, again.... HOW are you going to prevent these people from PURCHASING a weapon, without intrusion into private lives that will make the Patriot Act look like child's play.... not to mention opening up the REST of the BOR to that same standard of 'proof' to be able to exercise the right. If we already find pre-purchase checks to be constitutional (which we do) then making the check an EFFECTIVE check instead of a worthless, useless ineffective, toothless check will not affect anything. Are you going to provide and answer as to what WILL work. Everyone here already knows you do not think anything works (becuase you have not told us what you think will work)"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #41 January 3, 2008 QuoteQuote Texas isn't doing anything at the time of purchase. Texas does the SAME checks as what are done at purchase when processessing an application for a CONCEALED CARRY LICENSE. Texas doesn't *DO* FOID, Professor. Now, again.... HOW are you going to prevent these people from PURCHASING a weapon, without intrusion into private lives that will make the Patriot Act look like child's play.... not to mention opening up the REST of the BOR to that same standard of 'proof' to be able to exercise the right. If we already find pre-purchase checks to be constitutional (which we do) then making the check an EFFECTIVE check instead of a worthless, useless ineffective, toothless check will not affect anything. Thank you for the reply...now could you please answer the question I *asked*? HOW are you going to do this?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #42 January 3, 2008 QuoteHow did TX implement its VERY SUCCESSFUL program that appears very effective in preventing madmen and criminals from getting CCW permits? I think it was YOU that first brought it to our attention. Why would criminals or madmen bother with a CCW permit? Talk about a self non selecting population. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #43 January 3, 2008 QuoteQuoteHow did TX implement its VERY SUCCESSFUL program that appears very effective in preventing madmen and criminals from getting CCW permits? I think it was YOU that first brought it to our attention. Why would criminals or madmen bother with a CCW permit? Talk about a self non selecting population. Not to mention the fact that said controls are only going to work for law-abiding purchasers.... so, once again we're looking at a hurdle for Joe Average to jump through that will have little to no effect on actual criminals.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #44 January 3, 2008 QuoteNot to mention the fact that said controls are only going to work for law-abiding purchasers.... so, once again we're looking at a hurdle for Joe Average to jump through that will have little to no effect on actual criminals. Quoted for emphasis/truth/to overcome the Liberal Intelligentsia's self-imposed myopic nature.Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #45 January 3, 2008 QuoteQuote Texas isn't doing anything at the time of purchase. Texas does the SAME checks as what are done at purchase when processessing an application for a CONCEALED CARRY LICENSE. Texas doesn't *DO* FOID, Professor. Now, again.... HOW are you going to prevent these people from PURCHASING a weapon, without intrusion into private lives that will make the Patriot Act look like child's play.... not to mention opening up the REST of the BOR to that same standard of 'proof' to be able to exercise the right. If we already find pre-purchase checks to be constitutional (which we do) then making the check an EFFECTIVE check instead of a worthless, useless ineffective, toothless check will not affect anything. So tell all of us your grand plan to stop all people who would use a gun to commit a crime. IN DETAIL Do not illude to what others have done, tell us every measure you would take, and I will show you why it does not work. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Douva 0 #46 January 3, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteOne thing in common about all the locations.... disarmed victims. Who cherry-picked the locations? Armed madmen with no regard for the rules. Right - arming madmen is a serious mistake. Unfortunately our society makes it easy for madmen to get firearms. That needs to be fixed. If that's true, name a few societies that have significantly reduced violent crime by disarming everybody. Who suggested disarming everybody? Nice strawman if it weren't so bloody obvious. I suggested making it harder, much harder, for madmen to get guns. Okay, let me rephrase the request: Name a few societies that have significantly reduced violent crime by implementing much stricter gun control laws.I don't have an M.D. or a law degree. I have bachelor's in kicking ass and taking names. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #47 January 3, 2008 What a disapointment. I was hoping to see a interesting debate on this subject to which I have an open mind. Instead I see its turned into the usual pissing contest. I did listen to the entire interview, (I thought it was pretty bloody rude the way they just played adverts over you speaking without even mentioning they were going to a break, (or maybe they are just that unprofesional). I didn't hear you answer the question that I asked and I've got better things to do than listen through it again to hear a sound bite answer or waste time searching through one of your web sites. I'm not going to bother with this thread again its a waste of time. .....Door closes.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #48 January 3, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteOne thing in common about all the locations.... disarmed victims. Who cherry-picked the locations? Armed madmen with no regard for the rules. Right - arming madmen is a serious mistake. Unfortunately our society makes it easy for madmen to get firearms. That needs to be fixed. If that's true, name a few societies that have significantly reduced violent crime by disarming everybody. Who suggested disarming everybody? Nice strawman if it weren't so bloody obvious. I suggested making it harder, much harder, for madmen to get guns. Okay, let me rephrase the request: Name a few societies that have significantly reduced violent crime by implementing much stricter gun control laws. Can you name a few societies that have reduced violent crime by implementing less stringent gun control laws? There isn't really an argument regarding this hypothesis. How can you be so certain allowing students to carry won't cause even worse problems? Whilst I recognise your argument and respect it, what I find worrying is your insistance of being correct and how you also come across as 'all knowing' in a matter you cannot possibly be. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #49 January 3, 2008 QuoteQuoteHow did TX implement its VERY SUCCESSFUL program that appears very effective in preventing madmen and criminals from getting CCW permits? I think it was YOU that first brought it to our attention. Why would criminals or madmen bother with a CCW permit? Talk about a self non selecting population. Clearly you missed the point entirely! Just like you continue to confuse gunpowder with guns.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #50 January 3, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuote Texas isn't doing anything at the time of purchase. Texas does the SAME checks as what are done at purchase when processessing an application for a CONCEALED CARRY LICENSE. Texas doesn't *DO* FOID, Professor. Now, again.... HOW are you going to prevent these people from PURCHASING a weapon, without intrusion into private lives that will make the Patriot Act look like child's play.... not to mention opening up the REST of the BOR to that same standard of 'proof' to be able to exercise the right. If we already find pre-purchase checks to be constitutional (which we do) then making the check an EFFECTIVE check instead of a worthless, useless ineffective, toothless check will not affect anything. So tell all of us your grand plan to stop all people who would use a gun to commit a crime. IN DETAIL Do not illude to what others have done, tell us every measure you would take, and I will show you why it does not work. Are you STILL sore that I was on a team with Gomez and Rainbo?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
