The Guidebook for Taking a Life

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In the summer months, I am lightly tanned.

[Darius11 12]

Yep me too

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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If you hate brown people at least be honest with your self.

Dude I am brown.

My post was not directed at you but just a conversation with you. I have lost the patience to deal with irrational people. It is a waist of time to try to reason with ones that only choose to be an abrasion to there pick of the day. So I posted to you in agreement. Sorry for the confusion dude.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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Shades of Huntington's Clash of Civilizations:

"World politics is entering a new phase, in which the great divisions among humankind and the dominating source of international conflict will be cultural. Civilizations-the highest cultural groupings of people-are differentiated from each other by religion, history, language and tradition. These divisions are deep and increasing in importance. From Yugoslavia to the Middle East to Central Asia, the fault lines of civilizations are the battle lines of the future. In this emerging era of cultural conflict the United States must forge alliances with similar cultures and spread its values wherever possible. With alien civilizations the West must be accommodating if possible, but confrontational if necessary. In the final analysis, however, all civilizations will have to learn to tolerate each other."

VR/Marg ... personally I'm more inclined to a Fukuyama-esque School of Thought but appreciate the pragmatic 'truths' underlying Huntington.

I don't know who Huntington is, but in my opinion, if he is a historian, he is not a very astute one. Cultural differences have been the primary source of conflict since at least 4000 BC or so; not uncoincidentally about the time people started living together in large groups and bumping into each other's territory on a regular basis. The shit going on in the ME is not an exception, and is probably the best example available over the entire course of recorded history.

Anyone who thinks the current conflict is not directly linked to the founding and divergent paths the 3 Abrahamic faiths have taken ought to obtain a good history book that covers the period from about 1000 BC to at least the 1700's (AD). Start pre-Roman Empire and go thru the pinnacle of Islamic influence (most are not aware that while Western Europe slogged thru the Dark Ages, Islam was flourishing and a far greater inflence on the world).

In this amateur historian's humble opinion, a single seesaw battle of cultures has been waged back and forth for over 1000 years, with a line basically from the Bosphorus to the Suez serving as the fulcrum. There are blips here and there when certain nomadic barbarians have crashed over one or both sides in nearly unbelievable waves of terror (especially the Khans); but the modern history of that area is basically one of cultural indifference turning into cultural ignorance turning into cultural war.

Speaking of terrorism; anybody who thinks it is something new the world has to deal with should read up on the Kahns. They make Al Queda look like a bunch of toddlers playing in a sandbox.

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

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No worries

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Here is what I find funny.
If you read any religious text yes even Christian and Judaism. Guess what they ask that you kill homosexuals and burn their body, they ask you to kill people for taking your cow or some shit like that. Point: They are filled with Violence, and ask their followers to do violence on others.

I don’t get why they focus on Muslims ONLY. If you hate brown people at least be honest with your self.

I find that whole post pathetic.

A certain group of brown people have decided that the rest of us white or brown or black people, who do not follow their Wahabist dogma are all worthy of killing.. You seem to forget that THEY attacked us.. and no matter HOW much apologetic posts to the contrary from you that will not change that fact.

Each of the Holy books of the Abrahamic faith have vast amounts of violence in them...Some were written thousands of years ago and have all kinds of "laws" that are no longer followed..( well I think anyone who wears polyeseter blouses or shirts with cotten jeans SHOULD be stoned.. and that whole no shellfish thing. I just cant get behind... see I am picking and choosing what to follow).. and the latest one is currently the one that is being used to justify the wanton killing of innocents.. THOUSANDS of them at one time... but by THEIR thinking.. they were not believers or followers so that is ok to butcher them following the proper Surah for relieving the non believer of his head.

I dont have a problem with killing the enemy... obviously you dont know who the enemy really is... remember now.... Shias dont worship the proper way so you are their enemy too.. oh yes.. you also purport to be a good american.. I guess that again makes you their enemy.... then again.. just being in the wrong place at the wrong time makes you a worthy target..... but go ahead and keep making excuses for them.

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Do we agree on something?

I still thiink the only way to win this is to keep taking the fight to them. The best defense is a good offense (sorry for the football talk, but I'm in a hurry).

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

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You damn right we agree.. but its too bad the Incompetent in Chief did not have the balls to follow thru and finish the job on the people who actually attacked us... they need to be followed whereever they go...where ever they hide and anyone who supports them.. are no better

He never managed to follow thru with any of his other endeavors... so this one is not surprising when you look at his history of failed military history right on up thru his business dealings.

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Don't like to nit pick but they are more Salafist than Wahibist

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well I think anyone who wears polyeseter blouses or shirts with cotten jeans SHOULD be stoned..

LMAO

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

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I think you got the point though.... and I would bet that MOST of the 19.. who flew in the Trade Center.... being from Saudi Arabia...and many of them who are remaining alive to persue further attrocities.. are well founded in Wahhabist ideology and teachings.

Either way.. I would fight to the death with ANY group that would force women into a 7th century existence....

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You damn right we agree.. but its too bad the Incompetent in Chief did not have the balls to follow thru and finish the job on the people who actually attacked us... they need to be followed whereever they go...where ever they hide and anyone who supports them.. are no better

He never managed to follow thru with any of his other endeavors... so this one is not surprising when you look at his history of failed military history right on up thru his business dealings.

I find great irony in your posts in this thread, not that I don't agree with much of your position.

On the one hand, in order to debase GWB, you say that we should only persue OB in whatever land that you think he resides because he is responsible for 9-11, and in the process, destroy anyone who stands in our way.

Yet, you say that we should punish the Muslim radicals everywhere, because we know that they hate us, and desire to kill us.

How did Iraq get a pass?

Where's all of that liberal love and generosity you're supposed to possess?

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That is because those of you on the far right see ANYONE who is not with you... to be a liberal....you are wrong.

Iraq gets a pass because it DID NOT NEED TO BE DONE......

Only because the Neo-Cons in the PNAC wanted the oil did this fiasco happen.... and because it happened... we have a less favorable position to go after the people who are actually attacking us.. or dont you far right wingers GET IT.

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That is because those of you on the far right see ANYONE who is not with you... to be a liberal....you are wrong.

Iraq gets a pass because it DID NOT NEED TO BE DONE......

Only because the Neo-Cons in the PNAC wanted the oil did this fiasco happen.... and because it happened... we have a less favorable position to go after the people who are actually attacking us.. or dont you far right wingers GET IT.

Somebody isn't getting it...but I'm not sure it's the far right wingers...

How's all that cheap oil we're getting doing for the price of gas, btw??

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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How's all that cheap oil we're getting doing for the price of gas, btw??

You are not stupid enough to really believe the crap you have been spoon fed are you Mike????

. With as many oil men in the administration as there are.....They and their friends KNEW what would happen if they destabilized the market.... all those piece of shit wells that barely pump shit in Texas and Wyoming.. have now become profitable by virtue of a world market that reacts to every last hickup with a price hike... Ask yourself.. what was the price of a Barrel of Light Crude when he entered office..... and what is it now..... JUST like the oil boys wanted.

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Because we all know the democrats have nobody involved with oil companies and big business.

OK I follow that logic.

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DUDE... we are talking CURRENT EVENTS.... This administration.. no matter HOW much you want to apologize for them.. is a cluster fuck....of GREED.

When you let those who have the MOST to gain be the ones who create the secret energy policy... then you get exactly what we have right now.. nearly $100 a barrel for oil.


You also get their favorite companies( the ones they used to work for or will be working for again real soon) getting the no bid contracts. You also get Cost plus contracts awarded to "Friends of the Administration" to raid the federal treasury without oversight.

Well Done Right wing you have shown your true patriotic colors and they are not red white and blue.

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no-bid contracts...lmao!!

Is that in any way related to the no-bid contracts that the Clinton administration let in Bosnia/Kosovo? Oh, wait, I forgot...no-bid contracts are only good when it's a DEM administration, right?

You may want to do a bit more research...your premise has holes in it large enough for a HEMTT to fit through.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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I never said anything regarding the fact that this current adminitartion is always right, nor above fucking up.

But lets face it, both sides are playing against us.

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That is because those of you on the far right see ANYONE who is not with you... to be a liberal....you are wrong.

Iraq gets a pass because it DID NOT NEED TO BE DONE......

Only because the Neo-Cons in the PNAC wanted the oil did this fiasco happen.... and because it happened... we have a less favorable position to go after the people who are actually attacking us.. or dont you far right wingers GET IT.

Somebody isn't getting it...but I'm not sure it's the far right wingers...

How's all that cheap oil we're getting doing for the price of gas, btw??

Where the fuck is our cheap oil?? We're getting screwed over here £1.10 a LITRE for diesel!!! Thats about £55 to fill up a small to mid size car!

1 ltr = 0.264172 gallons
1.10 GBP = 2.17146 USD

55.00 GBP = 108.573 USD!

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
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I think you got the point though.... and I would bet that MOST of the 19.. who flew in the Trade Center.... being from Saudi Arabia...and many of them who are remaining alive to persue further attrocities.. are well founded in Wahhabist ideology and teachings.

Either way.. I would fight to the death with ANY group that would force women into a 7th century existence....

Send me a post card from Afghanistan then.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

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I don't know who Huntington is, …

I’m functioning on the assumption that you weren’t being facetious, which can be very dangerous.
Huntington is among the leading historians of the 20th century, specifically leading conservative historian. Or, perhaps (?), the Ann Coulter of foreign policy wonks and academia.

From his Harvard School of Government faculty website:

“Samuel P. Huntington is the Albert J. Weatherhead III University Professor. He graduated with distinction from Yale at age 18, served in the Army, and then received his Ph.D. from Harvard and started teaching there when he was 23. He has been a member of Harvard’s Department of Government since 1950 (except for a brief period between 1959 and 1962 when he was associate professor of government at Columbia University). He has served as chairman of the Government Department and of the Harvard Academy for International and Area Studies. His principal interests are: national security, strategy, and civil military relations; democratization and political and economic development of less-developed countries; cultural factors in world politics; and American national identity. During 1977 and 1978 he worked at the White House as coordinator of security planning for the National Security Council. He was a founder and coeditor for seven years of the journal Foreign Policy. His principal books include The Soldier and the State: The Theory and Politics of Civil-Military Relations (1957); The Common Defense: Strategic Programs in National Politics (1961); Political Order in Changing Societies (1968); American Politics: The Promise of Disharmony (1981); The Third Wave: Democratization in the Late Twentieth Century (1991); The Clash of Civilizations and Remaking of World Order (1996); and Who Are We? The Challenges to America’s National Identity (2004).”

His Wikipedia entry

Huntington is definitely a controversial figure. In addition to some of the criticisms that you outlined of his _Clash of Civilizations_, his most recent work Who Are We? The Challenges to America's National Identity has been criticized by some as xenophobic, as he is very critical of the Hispanic immigration, and lauded by others as speaking truth to power.

From The New Yorker magazine book review, “Patriot Games: The new nativism of Samuel P. Huntington”

“Is there a problem here? Samuel P. Huntington... believes that there is. The problem is the tiny fraction of Americans in whom national pride, patriotic loyalty, religious faith, and regard for the work ethic might possibly be less than wholehearted. He has identified these people as the heads of transnational corporations, members of the liberal élite, holders of dual citizenship, Mexican-Americans, and what he refers to as “deconstructionists.” He thinks that these groups are responsible for an incipient erosion of national identity... The reality, of course, is more complicated than the ideology, but the ideology is what Huntington is worried about, and either his book is a prescient analysis of trends obscure to the rest of us or he has missed the point."

Twice nominated for membership in the National Academy of Sciences, he has twice been rejected, which is rare.

VR/Marg

Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters.
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I find that whole post pathetic.

A certain group of brown people have decided that the rest of us white or brown or black people, who do not follow their Wahabist dogma are all worthy of killing.. You seem to forget that THEY attacked us.. and no matter HOW much apologetic posts to the contrary from you that will not change that fact.

Lately I find every single one of your posts pathetic as they are not based on any logic and the way you word them is simply to start shit and insult Muslims every chance you get. Whats your point?

No matter what logic you use you lose so you constantly change your logic. Pick one and we can prove you wrong over and over again.

They attacked us? Who do you mean by They? Do you mean OBL? Or are you talking about everyone in the Middle East?

You have shown a tendency to put all brown people in the same category. If you mean OBL then yes I don’t think any one here will disagree with you and we ALL AGREE THAT HE IS A BAD GUY AND HE AND HIS GROUP SHOULD BE KILLED AND STOPPED.

Is that clear enough?

I think we need a better clarification of who “They” is a reference.

If They is a reference to OBL and the guys who attacked us we are in agreemeant, unfortunately the people we have attacked, supported, and lives ruined are not the same people who attacked us.


So i ask again who do you mean by "They"?

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Each of the Holy books of the Abrahamic faith have vast amounts of violence in them...Some were written thousands of years ago and have all kinds of "laws" that are no longer followed..( well I think anyone who wears polyeseter blouses or shirts with cotten jeans SHOULD be stoned.. and that whole no shellfish thing. I just cant get behind... see I am picking and choosing what to follow).. and the latest one is currently the one that is being used to justify the wanton killing of innocents.. THOUSANDS of them at one time... but by THEIR thinking.. they were not believers or followers so that is ok to butcher them following the proper Surah for relieving the non believer of his head.

I dont have a problem with killing the enemy... obviously you dont know who the enemy really is... remember now.... Shias dont worship the proper way so you are their enemy too.. oh yes.. you also purport to be a good american.. I guess that again makes you their enemy.... then again.. just being in the wrong place at the wrong time makes you a worthy target..... but go ahead and keep making excuses for them.

By the latest one are you referring to the Koran and Islam or the need to fill our SUVs at a cheap price?

We have killed a whole bunch of inocent people in Iraq not to mention even our own for what exactly? Oil? More money for the rich? What? What religion are we following in are war-mongering ways?

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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Huntington is among the leading historians of the 20th century, specifically leading conservative historian. Or, perhaps (?), the Ann Coulter of foreign policy wonks and academia.

His principal interests are: national security, strategy, and civil military relations; democratization and political and economic development of less-developed countries; cultural factors in world politics; and American national identity.

Twice nominated for membership in the National Academy of Sciences, he has twice been rejected, which is rare.

VR/Marg

Those things begin to explain his bias in thinking the here and now is somehow so special, when it is really the same old game.

Appreciate the link; I'm interested to find out more about his agenda.

EDIT: BTW nerdgirl, you a history buff, student, or professor?

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

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You have shown a tendency to put all brown people in the same category.

And you have shown a tendecy to be an apoloigist for all the murders the brown people commit ... such as the Hezbollah brown people.. and the brown people who are supporting and hiding OBL and his buddies.

You know and have read how I feel about Iraq.. it was a huge mistake by an arrogant incompetent asshole and his greedy buddies.. BUT..... I see Wahhabist terrorism and Al Queda in particular a clear and present danger to this country and ALL of the people in it.

It seems to me.. that right now a significant number of brown people are the ENEMY.. personally I dont give a shit what color they are.. BUT.. they do have a common religion.. the religion of peace as the politicians seem to want to portray muslims.... that just does not quite seem to be very peacefull at least for the period of my lifetime...... of 50+ years.

Show me different.
And you can quit with the reverse racist crap any time now.. and trying to play your race card