The Guidebook for Taking a Life

[Amazon 7]

So in reference to certain posts.. I have been doing a LOT of reading on Islamic sites.. some justifying the killings... and some saying all those surahs justifying the killing of non muslims are just misinterpretations..taken out of context..apologists for the killing of people around the world.

So here is a list of who is allowed to be killed.. do you qualify?

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/10/weekinreview/10moss.html?_r=1&pagewanted=2&oref=slogin

We are at war with these people and you should ALWAYS know the enemy and his motivations.

[vortexring 0]

You're sounding as bad as the 'mentalists. Chill your boots!

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

[Amazon 7]

Nope not going to "chill my boots"

Unlike some I would like to see an end to this war sometime before my grandchildren will be fighting it.

Since these fucknuggets have declared all of us "unblievers" as combatants, we in the west have to understand our ENEMY.

Now.. I realize this might be a good job security thing for some.. I would like to get it over with and actually win this one . Knowing the enemy is the first stage in doing that.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/10/weekinreview/10moss.html?_r=1&pagewanted=2&oref=slogin

Thanks for posting that link.

What Sam Moss describes can seem so 'foreign' (to a westerner) that it can almost be read as satire.
The underlying concept -- that extremists of any form -- can rationalize to fit their desired ends is a truism.

Shades of Huntington's Clash of Civilizations:

"World politics is entering a new phase, in which the great divisions among humankind and the dominating source of international conflict will be cultural. Civilizations-the highest cultural groupings of people-are differentiated from each other by religion, history, language and tradition. These divisions are deep and increasing in importance. From Yugoslavia to the Middle East to Central Asia, the fault lines of civilizations are the battle lines of the future. In this emerging era of cultural conflict the United States must forge alliances with similar cultures and spread its values wherever possible. With alien civilizations the West must be accommodating if possible, but confrontational if necessary. In the final analysis, however, all civilizations will have to learn to tolerate each other."

VR/Marg ... personally I'm more inclined to a Fukuyama-esque School of Thought but appreciate the pragmatic 'truths' underlying Huntington.

Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters.
Tibetan Buddhist saying

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You're sounding as bad as the 'mentalists. Chill your boots!

LMAO

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[Skyrad 0]

I know I shouldn't but I just can't help myself...

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these fucknuggets have declared all of us "unblievers" as combatants,

And you call them illegal combatants, oh the irony.

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Rule No. 1: You can kill bystanders without feeling a lot of guilt.

Yes, we call them collateral damage.

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Rule No. 2: You can kill children, too, without needing to feel distress.

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Iraq experienced the most staggering rise in under-age-5 mortality — 150 percent over 15 years. Since the war began in 2003, deteriorating health services, rising inflation and electricity shortages have worsened living conditions, the report said. In 2005, about 122,000 Iraqi children died before their fifth birthdays.

Sourcehttp://www.savethechildren.org/newsroom/2007/new-york-times-reports-on.html

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Rule No. 3: Sometimes, you can single out civilians for killing; bankers are an example.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Kosovo/Story/0,2763,206967,00.html

http://www.cpj.org/news/2003/Iraq_FOIA_08oct03na.html

http://www.infoimagination.org/ps/iraq/counterpoint/precision_bomb.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki

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Rule No. 4: You cannot kill in the country where you reside unless you were born there.

This is not a problem for US citizens as they can kill wherever they feel like it in pursuit of GWB's 'war on terror'

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Rule No. 5: You can lie or hide your religion if you do this for jihad.

GWB and Tony lied their arses off of why they declared war on Iraq and Tony Blair admitted that he kept his religion quiet in his time in office though it guided his actions.

http://express.lineone.net/posts/view/26314/Was-Blair-right-to-hide-his-faith-

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Rule No. 6. You may need to ask your parents for their consent.

I'd love to know if baby Bush asked daddy Bush for his permission


Oooooooh those wicked Muslims

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[Skyrad 0]

I think the quoted statement is outdated in some aspects and cannot redilly be applied to Islam 'Vs' Christianity. For a start Islam is no more a civilisation than Christianity is. Both are rife with division within each theology and the practitioners of either live in a multicultural world. There are Muslims in every country just as there are Christians. one should not confused Civilisation with Culture and theology, which is what the quote seems to imply.

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Both are rife with division within each theology and the practitioners of either live in a multicultural world.

That is why I think we should get all coalition troops out of Iraq( it was a totally incompetent circle jerk to begin with) and let those who practice the religion of peace get it on with killing each other off as they have been doing for what... 1300 years now.

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Iraq experienced the most staggering rise in under-age-5 mortality — 150 percent over 15 years. Since the war began in 2003, deteriorating health services, rising inflation and electricity shortages have worsened living conditions, the report said. In 2005, about 122,000 Iraqi children died before their fifth birthdays.

As far as children dieing.. I think Sadaam was pretty good with that since his palaces and armaments were far more important than providing for the needs of the offspring of his enemies, the Shia and Kurds. I always love it when some dickweeed tries to blame that on the sanctions brought on by Sadamm and his tribe trying not to look as impotent as they were.

The solution... is to actually rebuild the country.. but.... the sectarian violence is responsible for most of that.. good old religion of peace in all of its glory.. Perhaps if they put as much energy into rebuilding their country rather than trying to blow it up... because their neighbor does not worship in the right mosque would be a good start.

We need to pull our troops out of there.. and let them do as they will... If they cant build a stable country... then cool let them split it off into sectarian homelands for each of the waring parties.

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You keep on with the whole religion of peace thing. There are millions of Muslims living in the United States, if Islam was such a death cult then why isn't there suicide bombings taking place daily on the streets and in the malls throughout America? I can name several American terrorists but they are all white Christians of all the millions of Muslims living in your country where are all the terrorists?

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The solution... is to actually rebuild the country

I agree its a pity George and Tony didn't think a plan for peace and rebuilding was needed before they took our forces into war.

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the sectarian violence is responsible for most of that.. good old religion of peace in all of its glory..

And how do you explain the war in Northern Ireland? Was it the Catholics or the Protestants who were really closet Muslims?

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Perhaps if they put as much energy into rebuilding their country rather than trying to blow it up... because their neighbor does not worship in the right mosque would be a good start.

You forgot the masses of criminal gangs that continue the violence in Iraq who don't care what Mosque you do or don't pray at just so long as your family can pay the ransom. People are basicly people everywhere regardless of what they do or don't call God. The Islamic world doesn't have the monopoly on criminals and fanatics. For example are you aware that most suicide bombings are carried out by Hindus not Muslims?

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We need to pull our troops out of there.. and let them do as they will...

I agree but there are alot of people who would say you made this mess you clear it up. Also there is the argument that if the US withdrew now it would be seen as a victory for the extremists and would serve as a recruiting tool and that in the wake of the defeat of the Soviets in Afghanistan it would be used as proof that the cause of Islamic extremism was true and that God was on the side of the extremists which in itself would give strength to their recruitment and calls for further spreading of the armed campaign against their enemies.

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I can name several American terrorists but they are all white Christians of all the millions of Muslims living in your country where are all the terrorists?

There have been several groups who have been arrested across the country.. Lodi... FL... Oregon come to mind.. all with visions of goingin the jihad.. and I am fairly sure the "patriot" act and rendition has dissappeared others to other countries because someone suspected them ( and I believe that is about as un-american as we can get)

Northern Irelaqnd has historical roots going back hundreds of years.. with ties to class as well as religion and its one of the reason my ancestors escaped to the new world to avoid being exterminated by the English....but the English will never accept the fact that Ireland is for the Irish.. and not English policy of plantation ....Scots and English Settlers who were imported to Ireland.

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You forgot the masses of criminal gangs that continue the violence in Iraq who don't care what Mosque you do or don't pray at just so long as your family can pay the ransom. People are basicly people everywhere regardless of what they do or don't call God. The Islamic world doesn't have the monopoly on criminals and fanatics. For example are you aware that most suicide bombings are carried out by Hindus not Muslims?

But when those gangs are sectarian militia groups they ARE factional fighting among muslims...I see that as somethign that WILL fragment Iraq.. and personally I think that is the best possible outcome.. they cant live with each other... split the country up and make 3 separate contries and maybe there ay be peace there in a hundred years.

We removed the dictator.. its up to the Iraquis to fix their shit at this point....its not a matter of we broke it.... Personally I would have left Sadamm alone and finished the job of finding the people who actually attacked us... including going across the border into theif safe havens in Waziristan... untill all of the players in 9/11 are dead.... it should not stop.. and ANYONE who helps them is an enemy as well.. they have chosen their side.... they can reap the whirlwind.

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Northern Irelaqnd has historical roots going back hundreds of years.. with ties to class as well as religion

Although there has been problems in Ireland throughout the last few hundred years the war in Northern Ireland or the 'Troubles' as we call it over here has been a sectarian war between Catholics and Protestants. While sectarianism is worse amoung the working classes it is no way limited to them.

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but the English will never accept the fact that Ireland is for the Irish..

Of course we do, Ireland is for the Irish and Northern Ireland is for the British. That is the choice of the people of Northern Ireland, they want to be British and have voted to be British. Even Republicans such as Martin McGuiness and Gerry Adams are now British polititians.

and not English policy of plantation ....Scots and English Settlers who were imported to Ireland. ***
That was hundreds of years ago, by that thinking you are not an American and should give up your home to whatever local native American tribe lived their before you were even born.

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There have been several groups who have been arrested across the country.. Lodi... FL... Oregon come to mind.. all with visions of goingin the jihad.. and I am fairly sure the "patriot" act and rendition has dissappeared others to other countries because someone suspected them ( and I believe that is about as un-american as we can get)

You're pretty much proving my point for me now, three incidents where people were arrested (were they found guilty of anything?) but MILLIONS of Muslims live in America where is all the mayhem and murders as these MILLIONS of people many of whom are devout adherants follow the teachings of Islam?

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That was hundreds of years ago, by that thinking you are not an American and should give up your home to whatever local native American tribe lived their before you were even born.

Pssst.. My great grandmother is Seminole. We got here THOUSANDS of years ago... long walk from asia to Florida....native american....yeah.. all the fucking europeans should go home

The other side of the family.. they ALSO walked.. about 8000 years ago to the north of the Emerald Isle

[Amazon 7]

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You're pretty much proving my point for me now, three incidents where people were arrested (were they found guilty of anything?) but MILLIONS of Muslims live in America where is all the mayhem and murders as these MILLIONS of people many of whom are devout adherants follow the teachings of Islam?

Many of them have escaped from the stupidity of their native lands and so far do not want to bring the same stupidity here. Many others are the afro-americans who have embraced islam. They live in peace.....

See a pattern there.. PEACE.... they live in peace.. the people in Waziristan are NOT... they have chosen to support... and therefore are complicit with those who have declared war on ME.... I take them seriously... you wanna fuck with me and declare war on me..... then I get to fuck you over back.( just to put a personal spin on it. They have declared ME to be a combatant.... and until they want to declare PEACE.. then I will be happy to support the war on THEM.

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LOL... The funny thing is my grandmother was an 'Indian' as well

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[Amazon 7]

I think we are talking different Indians here

More European misunderstanding of the world led to all that confusion

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***See a pattern there.. PEACE.... they live in peace.. the people in Waziristan are NOT... they have chosen to support... and therefore are complicit with those who have declared war on ME.... I take them seriously... you wanna fuck with me and declare war on me..... then I get to fuck you over back.( just to put a personal spin on it. They have declared ME to be a combatant.... and until they want to declare PEACE.. then I will be happy to support the war on THEM.

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I think we are talking different Indians here

More European misunderstanding of the world led to all that confusion

I heard that Columbus was very disappointed with the curry.

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[Amazon 7]

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People there tend to live in small villages and not travel further than the next village, its a huge area. Its not like Bin is out holding rallies with Zawahri in market places. They are in hiding and I'm sure that there are plenty of people who would turn him over if they new where he was.

Bull-whacky

Every report I have seen over and over( and not just in American MSM) shows how the people of that region worship him.... every bazaar has Bin Ladden Items... as well as all those fun Videos and DVDs of Martyrdom operations....others showing the butchering of westerners...I call that supporting an enemy.. so pardon me if apologetic responses about how they want peace.. and how they would turn over our enemies...... I call bullshit.

[Skyrad 0]

Ok, we'll agree to disagree. but one things for certain if you go around killing innocent civillians you will just make things worse.

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[Amazon 7]

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Ok, we'll agree to disagree. but one things for certain if you go around killing innocent civillians you will just make things worse.

Right... and that is what our enemies did... and they celebrated it thruought the muslim world. And until those who perpetrated that crime are brought to justice.. I think ALL the gloves need to be taken off to catch them.. vaporize them... whatever... and those who support them can die as well and I will not shed a single tear.

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Actually we have people from Waziristandliving in the same town I do.

Unless they are just posers with a bumper sticker

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you wanna fuck with me and declare war on me..... then I get to fuck you over back

I'm scared, now. Owwww.

[Darius11 12]

Here is what I find funny.
If you read any religious text yes even Christian and Judaism. Guess what they ask that you kill homosexuals and burn their body, they ask you to kill people for taking your cow or some shit like that. Point: They are filled with Violence, and ask their followers to do violence on others.

I don’t get why they focus on Muslims ONLY. If you hate brown people at least be honest with your self.


When you compare the number of deaths and blood shed the peaceful loving Christians win hands down. Of course when we drop a bomb on a market place or shoot up a whole bunch of people it is considered collateral damage and necessary, Even if every excuse given turns out to be false, and the war quite unnecessary.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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If you hate brown people at least be honest with your self.

Dude I am brown.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca