ExAFO 0 #1 December 30, 2007 My gun has caused no deaths or caused any harm.Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #2 December 30, 2007 Neither has mine, nor this one - they must be broken, since "their only purpose is to kill"... Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrophyHusband 0 #3 December 30, 2007 mine have caused the deaths of deer, elk, bear, geese, pheasants, ducks, grouse, and squirrels. "Your scrotum is quite nice" - Skymama www.kjandmegan.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #4 December 30, 2007 This one has not killed anyone within 1400yds of it's location today. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kschilk 0 #5 December 30, 2007 Quote Neither has mine, nor this one - they must be broken, since "their only purpose is to kill"... I dunno', man....I think it's up to somethin'. Maybe it's just deciding on its next victim?! I once owned an air compressor but I had to get rid of it....it caused me to run wildly across the country, randomly inflating peoples tires! I'm afraid to buy a new pen, 'coz it might make me write bad checks."T'was ever thus." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #6 December 30, 2007 QuoteI'm afraid to buy a new pen, 'coz it might make me write bad checks. I *HATE* when they do that....Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #7 December 30, 2007 We can't be sure until you start posting your updates citing Zulu/GMT. So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #8 December 30, 2007 In the near 20 years that I've owned my Model of 1917, it has never even been pointed at a human. Up until I bought it, I have no idea if anyone has ever been killed with it."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdthomas 0 #9 December 30, 2007 QuoteIn the near 20 years that I've owned my Model of 1917, it has never even been pointed at a human. Up until I bought it, I have no idea if anyone has ever been killed with it. Like mark. Many of the firearms that I have owend since my youth have never killed anything nor have they ever been pointed at a human. I have one 22 rifle that I got when I was 10 that has never been fired in anger or at something it was to kill.. thats 27 years of non killing... perhaps i should take it back to the store and get a return on a faulty firearm as it has never killed a thing!www.greenboxphotography.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #10 December 30, 2007 Quote Neither has mine, nor this one - they must be broken, since "their only purpose is to kill"... Gee - the cassette player in my car must be broken, since it has never played a tape. My iPOD must be broken since it has never played a video. My new gas range must be broken since the "dehydrate" function has never been used. The auxiliary inputs to my stereo must be broken since I've never plugged anything into them. Or it could be that your comment was just stupid.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dannydan 5 #11 December 30, 2007 Kal...You and me standing in line at a convience store, bank, pizza hut etc etc... Some thug(s) comes in and wants all their cash, OUR wallets etc, and it so happens that one or all of them come to you and sticks their pistole in yr ear, forehead whatever, I have a CLEAR shot to take him.them out! What would you want me to do? I mean this cats hammer is pulled back his finger is on the trigger and the "play" is taken up... Doesnt matter if you and I know each other or not, it also doesnt matter if you know I am armed or not! And it also doesn't matter if you believe in God and He will sort it all out in the end... SHould i or should I NOT defend your life? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #12 December 30, 2007 There are many risks in our daily life. If I took precautions agains every one of them I wouldn't be able to leave the house because I'd be so loaded down with equipment. So I only bother with likely risks. Your scenario is NOT among them.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrophyHusband 0 #13 December 30, 2007 Quote So I only bother with likely risks. Your scenario is NOT among them. it may not be likely, but its the risk he chooses to be prepared for, what is the problem with that? "Your scrotum is quite nice" - Skymama www.kjandmegan.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #14 December 30, 2007 QuoteQuote So I only bother with likely risks. Your scenario is NOT among them. it may not be likely, but its the risk he chooses to be prepared for, what is the problem with that? Nothing - we all have our own perception of risk. The closer perception comes to reality, the better off we are. At my age the most likely cause of death is a heart attack on getting out of bed in the morning. A skydiving accident is also way up there. Being shot by a criminal is so far down my list of risks as to be invisible.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dannydan 5 #15 December 30, 2007 fair enuf! THX! However I live in a town that has seen violent crime increase over the past decade. I have a few choices I could move! or I can do nothing and let it perpetuate or I could address it head on. I CHOOSE to hit head on, and my family does too. YES indeed a BIG ass risk b/c my family could lose me to defending them, myself and or others around. Such as a close encounter of a knife attack 2years ago and the gun pull I spoke of. If I back down and do nothing, then I/we are ALLOWING the thugs/evil to prevail! UNACCEPTABLE in my mind. I only know of one place that is "utopia" (Heaven my belief), however I am not ready for that place yet, so I choose to stay in my hometown of 45yrs and HELP by doing my civil duty to my community and my wife and our children and others. While OUR state law says that I cannot "carry conceled" (kinda broad term) i SOMETIMES carry, and nobody knows different. But I am NOT willing or going to be a victim to evil thugs that have no remorse for their actions against me, my family and or strangers in any scenario... I respect what you added because that is your choice. Thats cool. I always pray for peace and safety for the entire world... YES it seems like nothing changes, but some lives are spared because of citizens like me when thugs get out of line. Let me add this, just b/c my girls were raised around and know how to safely handle firearms, they have ALWAYS been instructed/ordered to walk or run away from trouble.... BUT, NO one wants to back either one of my girls into a corner!! They do NOT want to shoot anyone muchless kill a fellow human, but they can and will to save their life and or someone elses if immediate life danger is present. edit changed "my" to "our" because you Kal and I live in the same state... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #16 December 30, 2007 Well, you just disqualified yourself from the ranks of "law abiding citizens" with your admission that you carry illegally. I lived at 31st and Michigan on the south side of Chicago for 3 years, and have worked in the 'hood for 30 years. I doubt your town is any worse than that neighborhood. However, the fact is that the violence is easy to avoid if you have a modicum of street smarts and use your brain. I don't have a whole lot of sympathy with those who party late and walk home through the south side at 3:30a.m. and then get mugged. Now, if you choose to adopt risky behaviors like that maybe you need a gun. However, the bad guys may be even better armed than you, and quicker too, and when they've stolen your gun, one more gun will have entered the criminal world.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #17 December 30, 2007 Wow, now YOU are the criminal by kallends definitionthe difference between you and him (IMO) is that you want to take care of yourself and be left alone. HE wants to push his beliefs on you. If that does not speak volumes, (from a lib) nothing does or ever will. "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #18 December 30, 2007 Is this really the argument and rationale on which you all want to base private gun rights? QuoteMy gun has caused no deaths or caused any harm. [donning asbestos underwear] Nor have the nuclear weapons held by DPRK, India, Pakistan, Israel, China, Britian, France, or Russia, or the US in over 61 years and those considerably more powerful than any of the weapons discussed thus far. Other than the 1st four, they've all been completely legal acquisition and possessions. Nor did the post-WWII offensive chemical weapons stockpiles of US, USSR/Russia, Britian, Canada, India, Albania, Libya, (assumedly) Israel, and 'another state party'. Until 29 Apr 1997, all were completely legal acquisition, production, development of munitions, and retaliatory use (i.e., no first use). Other than 1979 Sverdlovsk Bacillus anthracis incident -- as far as is known -- neither did the former Soviet offensive BW program. [doffing asbestos underwear] VR/Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #19 December 30, 2007 Quote Is this really the argument and rationale on which you all want to base private gun rights? Quote My gun has caused no deaths or caused any harm. [donning asbestos underwear] Nor have the nuclear weapons held by DPRK, India, Pakistan, Israel, China, Britian, France, or Russia, or the US in over 61 years and those considerably more powerful than any of the weapons discussed thus far. Other than the 1st four, they've all been completely legal acquisition and possessions. Nor did the post-WWII offensive chemical weapons stockpiles of US, USSR/Russia, Britian, Canada, India, Albania, Libya, (assumedly) Israel, and 'another state party'. Until 29 Apr 1997, all were completely legal acquisition, production, development of munitions, and retaliatory use (i.e., no first use). Other than 1979 Sverdlovsk Bacillus anthracis incident -- as far as is known -- neither did the former Soviet offensive BW program. [doffing asbestos underwear] VR/Marg AAaaahhhh What the hell got into you"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dannydan 5 #20 December 30, 2007 It IS quite possible YET highly impropable that I with my trusty lil guns MAY stop a terrorist/THUG that has one of these lil dirty suitcase nukeies.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dannydan 5 #21 December 30, 2007 QuoteIf that does not speak volumes, (from a lib) nothing does or ever will. back in my day a liberal meant center of the road! What the f&ck happened? I must have overslept one day!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #22 December 30, 2007 QuoteIt IS quite possible YET highly impropable that I with my trusty lil guns MAY stop a terrorist/THUG that has one of these lil dirty suitcase nukeies [emphasis nerdgirl].... W/r/t bolded text: I don't understand what you mean. Radiological dispersal device (RDD); one of Gen Aleksandr Lebed's now-debunked atomic demolition munitions (ADMs); a Mk-54 "Davy Crockett" warhead (which was/are too big for carry-on luggage); improvised nuclear device (IND), (which would not be amenable to 'suitcase' design either); or something else? The argument you just made was a deterrence argument, i.e., a private citizen having the capability to stop/prevent/deter an action by someone intent on (grave) criminal behavior. That's a very different argument from "x" individual, privately-owned firearms have done no harm (legal or otherwise). VR/Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #24 December 30, 2007 In other words a suitcase nuke is nearly an impossible thing to manufacture, the only thing they may be able to do is make some fissible material blow up via conventional means and get a "dirty bomb" Pretty much a wasted effort. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #25 December 31, 2007 Quote Wow, now YOU are the criminal by kallends definitionthe difference between you and him (IMO) is that you want to take care of yourself and be left alone. HE wants to push his beliefs on you. If that does not speak volumes, (from a lib) nothing does or ever will. What would you call someone who admits to a felony, if not "criminal"? You "law and order" conservatives are now condoning felonies, and believe that felons should have guns. Shame!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
