mnealtx 0 #26 December 29, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote>Weak, even for you Your condescending one liners are getting shorter! No insult or condescintion meant. To use this as example supporting his view on guns IS very weak or maybe a stretch would have been a better word My view is that mentally unstable people shouldn't have access to guns. Mass shootings by mentally unstable people CLEARLY support that view. If you think otherwise, I suggest it's YOU that has an unsupportable case. You will get no argument from me regarding this position but, until you have a fool proof way to identify mentally unstable people it will happen from time to time. Guns, are not the issue Agreed - but it looks SO much better to say they're going after those guns so people can't do that anymore....since they know DAMN good and well there's no way to prevent it.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #27 December 29, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Shortness is a sign of greatness Thats what I told all my girlfriends but they just laughed at me! Well, at least you have a gun as compensation. "A fear of guns is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." -S. Freud INCORRECT. This is not is not a statement that appears in any translation of any of Freud's works. It is a paraphrase of a statement from the essay "Guns, Murders, and the Constitution" (February 1990) by Don B. Kates, Jr., frequently misattributed to Freud by gun enthusiasts for their own insecure reasons. A direct quote from a Wiki reference... shame on you, Professor! It's so easy to find, why did you post the falsehood in the first place? Trying to fool someone? What is for sure is that in Freud's theory of dream symbols, gun = penis.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #28 December 29, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote >Weak, even for you Your condescending one liners are getting shorter! No insult or condescintion meant. To use this as example supporting his view on guns IS very weak or maybe a stretch would have been a better word My view is that mentally unstable people shouldn't have access to guns. Mass shootings by mentally unstable people CLEARLY support that view. If you think otherwise, I suggest it's YOU that has an unsupportable case. You will get no argument from me regarding this position but, until you have a fool proof way to identify mentally unstable people it will happen from time to time. Guns, are not the issue Agreed - but it looks SO much better to say they're going after those guns so people can't do that anymore....since they know DAMN good and well there's no way to prevent it. The only way they can win this is to turn it into an "emotional" issue instead of one of common sense and law. Once something is turned into emotion instead of real issue, katy bar the door. If they could then get the guns out of the hands of law abiding people the next "target" will have to be identified when this kind of crap keeps happening. Sorry for the ramble, I should have just said "well said"."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #29 December 29, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Shortness is a sign of greatness Thats what I told all my girlfriends but they just laughed at me! Well, at least you have a gun as compensation. "A fear of guns is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." -S. Freud INCORRECT. This is not is not a statement that appears in any translation of any of Freud's works. It is a paraphrase of a statement from the essay "Guns, Murders, and the Constitution" (February 1990) by Don B. Kates, Jr., frequently misattributed to Freud by gun enthusiasts for their own insecure reasons. A direct quote from a Wiki reference... shame on you, Professor! It's so easy to find, why did you post the falsehood in the first place? Trying to fool someone? What is for sure is that in Freud's theory of dream symbols, gun = penis. Until seeing your rebuttal, I wasn't aware it was a false quote - I now know that it is. A counter-question is - why do you keep posting provably false info from pro-gun control sources, such as your AMA/Kellerman info?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #30 December 29, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Shortness is a sign of greatness Thats what I told all my girlfriends but they just laughed at me! Well, at least you have a gun as compensation. "A fear of guns is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." -S. Freud I've oftend wondered if, Freud didn't suffer from all the 'problems' he wrote about.Chuck He sure had a problem with cigars. So did Bill Clinton! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #31 December 29, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Shortness is a sign of greatness Thats what I told all my girlfriends but they just laughed at me! Well, at least you have a gun as compensation. "A fear of guns is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." -S. Freud I've oftend wondered if, Freud didn't suffer from all the 'problems' he wrote about.Chuck He sure had a problem with cigars. So did Bill Clinton! Chuck LMFAO"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dannydan 5 #32 December 29, 2007 QuoteWhat is for sure is that in Freud's theory of dream symbols, gun = penis. Pardon my ignorance here, but I don't see that in here, http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Sigmund_Freud QuoteMisattributed A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity. This is not is not a statement that appears in any translation of any of Freud's works. It is a paraphrase of a statement from the essay "Guns, Murders, and the Constitution" (February 1990) by Don B. Kates, Jr. where Kates summarizes his views of passages in Dreams in Folklore (1958) by Freud and David E. Oppenheim, while disputing statements by Emmanuel Tanay in "Neurotic Attachment to Guns" in a 1976 edition of The Fifty Minute Hour: A Collection of True Psychoanalytic Tales (1955) by Robert Mitchell Lindner: Dr. Tanay is perhaps unaware of — in any event, he does not cite — other passages more relevant to his argument. In these other passages Freud associates retarded sexual and emotional development not with gun ownership, but with fear and loathing of weapons. The probative importance that ought to be attached to the views of Freud is, of course, a matter of opinion. The point here is only that those views provide no support for the penis theory of gun ownership. Due to misreading of this essay and its citations, this paraphrase of an opinion about Freud's ideas has been wrongly attributed to Freud himself, and specifically to his 10th Lecture "Symbolism in Dreams" in General Introduction to Psychoanalysis on some internet forum pages: am I at the wrong WiKi site or something??? Or perhaps NOT understanding what I am reading??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #33 December 29, 2007 If guns cause crime, matches & lighters cause arson.Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #34 December 29, 2007 Preaching to the choir. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #35 December 29, 2007 Quote Preaching to the choir. Sorry dude, No offense meant. Just wanted to get my $0.02 in.Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #36 December 29, 2007 No problem whatsoever. Flexed guteus maximus causes panties in a wadWell that and hand wringing cause limp wrists. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dannydan 5 #37 December 29, 2007 youve been driving the Killinois highways.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #38 December 29, 2007 Quote youve been driving the Killinois highways.... Disarmed because of Blagojevich and Fuhrer Daley...Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #39 December 30, 2007 Quote If a movie is about a killer who uses a gun, it is classified as an "Action Movie" but if the killer uses a knife or something else, it is a "Horror Movie" An action movie has the good guy using a gun. A horror movie ends when the last survivors finally pick up a gun and blow away the killer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #40 December 30, 2007 QuoteQuote If a movie is about a killer who uses a gun, it is classified as an "Action Movie" but if the killer uses a knife or something else, it is a "Horror Movie" An action movie has the good guy using a gun. A horror movie ends when the last survivors finally pick up a gun and blow away the killer. "My name is...Dracula. Velcome to my...vere the hell did you get a flamethrower?" Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #41 December 30, 2007 QuoteQuoteWhat is for sure is that in Freud's theory of dream symbols, gun = penis. Pardon my ignorance here, but I don't see that in here, http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Sigmund_Freud You are looking for the wrong thing. See, for example: HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVES ON DREAM INTERPRETATION Journal of Mental Health Counseling JAN 2006 Although early psychologists shared an interest in dreams, they disagreed on the meaning of dreams and how to interpret them. Freud (1900/1970) was not the first theorist to write about the unconscious and dreams, but he brought attention to the importance of the unconscious and dreams in psychotherapy through his book, The Interpretation of Dreams. Freud wrote that dreams contained both manifest and latent content. The manifest content is the material that the dreamer is aware in relating the details of the dream. The manifest content is a disguise for the true meaning of the dream, or the latent content, which is comprised of unconscious sexual and aggressive wishes and fantasies unacceptable to the conscious ego. These unconscious wishes and fantasies find expression in dreams. Consequently, Freud believed that the meaning of dreams is almost always wish fulfillment. To discover the meaning of dreams, Freud used a process of free association, asking his patients to free associate to various dream symbols. Invariably, he found symbols to be related to sexual or aggressive themes. Thus, a gun was a penis, and a cave was a vagina. He did not allow for cultural variations in meaning (Van De Castle, 1994). ... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dannydan 5 #42 December 30, 2007 Quote Quote youve been driving the Killinois highways.... Disarmed because of Blagojevich and Fuhrer Daley... not ME... NEVER! "...from my cold dead hands..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
