GQ_jumper 4 #26 December 30, 2007 I think where the disconnect is happening is that you're making a direct comparison between books and guns, where I am talking about the nature of rights as a whole. If the government is allowed MORE intrusion into where and how ONE right can be granted, you open the door to allow that same intrusion into ALL rights (such as the Jim Crow laws). Quote OK, so from what I gather 2/3 of both of our last posts were sarcasm, so let's push taht aside and focus on this statement right here. I understand your point where you think that if we give the government an inch they will take a mile, that's human nature, we all do it. I was implying the "ideal" situation, in a perfect world, everyone would be well trained in the proper use of firearms before handling one, in the real world, any jackass short of convicted felons can go to the local wal-mart and buy one. Now to use that firearm to hunt, one must pass a hunter's safety course, IMO, we should use the same smart people who came up with the hunter's safety cirriculum to write the weapons handling course. In the real world, Bush would claim that everyone buying a weapon is constructing chemical filled inter-continental blenders in their basement with said firearms, while Cheney is chasing his half brother around the room shooting at him with a shotgun, Condi is claiming the world is perfect while Clinton in is the armchair in the corner getting a blowjob from that American Idol chick, and while Bill O'Reilly is upstairs claiming the whole situation has been spun out of control by the liberals. So what can we do abotu this situation?? Send Chuck Norris into the Senate with a bunch of guns and let him lobby for gun training(nobody says no to CHUCK!) Or if that fails we can all argue on a website that has absolutely no affect on the modern politics of our country and get super mad at each other for no reason whatsoever!! So in summation I say, MNEALTX.....let's agree to disagree....do I think people need more training to handle a firearm???yes!! Do I think a government agency could reasonably come up with an answer to the problem???NO!! Fights over Dan wins!! I'll accept your resignation as a serious poster in SC at your earliest convenience and wish you and your loved ones a happy holidays. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to kick someone's ass, his name starts with CPT Morgans and he stole my brother in law 20 minutes ago History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #27 December 30, 2007 QuoteWell as for your little crack on the military, basic training does exactly dick to make someone competent with a firearm, it's continued training and familiarization that makes one proficient. And if I read your post right yu are saying that untrained people should be able to purchase firearms as they can now, but at what point do you consider it necessary to require training. I am just trying to understand your point of view so we don't keep going in circles with our replies. I have seen too many idiots, civilians as well as military do stupid things with firearms whih is why i believe anyone who puts their hands on one should be properly trained. And again, I argue that your little book anecdote doesn't tie in to this argument at all. Please tell me how a book can be lethal short of someone making a Wil-E-Coyote-esque contraption utilizing books, anvils, and an oversized rubber band.I think the basics are easy. 1 Treat any firearm as locked and loaded. 2 Never pull unless you mean to kill. (unles at the range) 3 When at a range always keep your firearm pointed away from a target when not indending to shoot it. Anymore?I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #28 December 30, 2007 I think the basics are easy. 1 Treat any firearm as locked and loaded. 2 Never pull unless you mean to kill. (unles at the range) 3 When at a range always keep your firearm pointed away from a target when not indending to shoot it. Anymore? Quote Too bad even simple rules such as that are too much for ome to handle History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #29 December 31, 2007 QuoteI think the basics are easy. 1 Treat any firearm as locked and loaded. 2 Never pull unless you mean to kill. (unles at the range) 3 When at a range always keep your firearm pointed away from a target when not indending to shoot it. Anymore? I have taught (corrupted if you prefer) quite a few Canadians to use guns. It takes an hour and then a little time at the range. It's not that complicated for reasonably intelligent people. For dumb people - they screw up with a lot of things. Crash their cars while talking on the phones, point a barrel at their head to inspect, climb around waterfalls while drunk. To think you can prevent those people from having accidents is a bit of a fantasy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #30 December 31, 2007 QuoteFor dumb people - they screw up with a lot of things. . . To think you can prevent those people from having accidents is a bit of a fantasy. Quoted for great justice... ;o)Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #31 January 1, 2008 QuoteI think the basics are easy. .... . 2 Never pull unless you mean to kill. (unles at the range) But, but - we've been told over and over that guns aren't designed to kill. Have the Texans been deceiving us?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #32 January 1, 2008 QuoteQuoteI think the basics are easy. .... . 2 Never pull unless you mean to kill. (unles at the range) But, but - we've been told over and over that guns aren't designed to kill. Have the Texans been deceiving us? 1. All guns are treated as loaded (until you've checked FOR YOURSELF that it's not) 2. Finger off the trigger until ready to fire 3. Never point the muzzle at anything you're not willing to put a bullet into. 4. Be sure of your target and what's behind it. Kingergarten stuffMike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #33 January 1, 2008 But, but - we've been told over and over that guns aren't designed to kill. Have the Texans been deceiving us? Quote Next time you intend to quote someone please ensure that you quote the right person. And also, rifles and pistols aren't designed to kill, they are designed to fire a bullet, the people who handle them improperly or use them with the intent of harming someone are the ones who turn them into a deadly weapon. Humans are weapons, firearms are merely a tool for them to utilize. Weapons are harmless in the hands of those who know how to utilize them properly and safely and have no ill intentions. Which is why we need to ensure that firearms don't fall into the hands of people who don't have the ability to safely use them or who have proven through conviction that they pose a threat to society.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 2 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0