Gawain 0 #76 December 30, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteShe was a dead woman walking from the instant she got off the plane on her return from exile. It was just a matter of time. Too true, unfortunately. We'll soon see what changes her "martyrdom" will effect... No doubt Al Qaeda will be blamed and it will be used as an excuse for more "War on Terror" restrictions. However, if we use the "follow the money" concept to see who benefits, the biggest beneficiary would seem to be Musharraf. Hard to see how AQ would benefit. Bhutto's return to Pakistan strengthened Musharraf's position, especially as he left the military. Bhutto was pro-western, anti-extremist, favored direct involvement in the mountains to oust AQ, and her positions made her a perfect shoe-in for Prime Minister, while Musharraf remained President. It was a win-win. From democratic practices to get her into office to providing legitimacy to the opposition party. Musharraf was in total control. His release of power following martial law was not some hapless act. AQ has shit-tons of money too. So, following the money is not going to reveal a whole lot. What I find unfortunate is how the scene of the attack and assassination was not contained. Already, it's been hosed down. I put "follow the money" in quotes and added the words "concept" and "benefit" for a reason. The reader was expected to infer that we look to see who benefits, and benefits do not have to be financial. I understood your inference. I was also adding the concept that following the money trail can also find the conspirators. Note I was citing the base of power, and was offering an alternative to your initial point that one of the possible benefactors is Musharraf. It is not, in my opinion.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #77 December 30, 2007 OK, got it. Happy New Year!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #78 December 31, 2007 Quote It seems you are good with the dead americans thing.. So just what is your solution ...give our enemies free reign to attack at will... Well, first thing first. The dead American thing isn't a wish but a statement of fact if an invasion of the area happens. Secondly, as I said before intelligence led strikes on either side of the border and a hearts and minds campaign on the Afghan side of the border is the right way forward. Quote all those evil christians must die if they will not convert???? After all... the passages demanding that are right there in the holy book of the religion of peace are they not?? LOL, I won't even bother to quote all the references in the Bible about rape being ok in certain circumstances, killing homosexuals, approval of slavery and so on. But if you really want some seach on Billvon and bible you'll find loads. Quote I added a few of your fucking crazy icons just for you. Too kind, too kind, but very much appreciated you're an Quote I would be happy with about 1000 or so pilotless drones........and anytime the operator sees something worth engaging.. do it... I don't have a problem with the intelligent use of UAV's but the problem is that from 20,000 ft up its pretty diffucult to tell who the enemy is and who is just a load of locals chewing the fat. Random killing of innocents is exactly what 'Al Qui'eda' and its affiliates want I know its Christmas and with all those 'fucking crazy icons' you've spoilt me but lets not go over the top with our gift giving. Quote Make their litttle paradise a hell on earth till they get the idea.. that perhaps peace is a better course. They can get some nice pocket change in the process just give up the criminals who attacked us. Why do you feel the need to create a hell on earth for innocent people? Its like saying South Central LA should be bombed because it harbours criminals. Or that the British should have bombed South Armargh because it harboured terrorists, all the people their are terrorists or terrorist lovers so deserve to die. It would be a irrational and criminal response, to follow that course of action would make the US guilty of genocide. Quote It is VERY reasonsed.. and VERY rational.... Maybe once a month Quote if you cant live in peace with the people you want to attack.. the other people have the right to KILL YOU. I guess that cuts both ways.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #79 December 31, 2007 Quote<> Maybe some politicians actually are Credible and had her country at the top of her list of priorities - we're so used to thinking that they are all scum sucking leeches. R.I.P And maybe not... Bhuto only had herself and her family at the top of her list everything else including democray was far lower if even on the list at all. http://comment.independent.co.uk/commentators/article3295851.eceWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #80 December 31, 2007 I think that you maybe right. See her leadership passed down to her son (without a vote) - seems more like royalty than a democracy. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #81 December 31, 2007 Yep When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #82 December 31, 2007 Gotya (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #83 December 31, 2007 QuoteWell, first thing first. The dead American thing isn't a wish but a statement of fact if an invasion of the area happens. Secondly, as I said before intelligence led strikes on either side of the border and a hearts and minds campaign on the Afghan side of the border is the right way forward. Want to bet they are already there.. from time to time... and I would stack our professionals against ANY force that might be hiding there.... hands down. The products of our training do far better at killing the enemy than the graduates of the madrasas....we will be targeting them.. while the madrasas graduates are targeting the women and children as they usually are very good at. In war people die.. the trick is to ensure that you make the enemy die for his country.. or nowadays for his ideology. QuoteLOL, I won't even bother to quote all the references in the Bible about rape being ok in certain circumstances, killing homosexuals, approval of slavery and so on. But if you really want some seach on Billvon and bible you'll find loads. Yup and all the same crap is right there in various surahs....BUT.... remember you have islamic apologists all over the world right now lieing to the rest of us that Islam is a "religion of peace".... I have not seen too much in the way of peace from them in my 50+ years on the planet. They have been encouraged by self serving mullahs..imams etc. in many countries to participate in martyrdom operations....Hey if its such a good gig.. why are not those leaders out there blowing their asses up??? I just want to make sure that people in the west understand that we need to know that the only way those people will respect us is from a position of strength.. or we will get more and more religion of peace followers coming to be martyrs.. how many thousands of Madrasas are teaching this crap to the young.? QuoteWhy do you feel the need to create a hell on earth for innocent people? I dont know.. but if you do.. you either kill them all or the ones who survive.... may get real tired of being targets.... and decide that perhaps peace is a better option. Prove that we can hit them over and over with impunity... you show them just how impotent they are.. since that seems to be a VERY important part of their existence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #84 December 31, 2007 QuoteI think that you maybe right. See her leadership passed down to her son (without a vote) - seems more like royalty than a democracy. Like the Nehru/Ghandi dynasty in India.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #85 January 1, 2008 Quote Why do you feel the need to create a hell on earth for innocent people? QuoteI dont know.. but if you do.. you either kill them all or the ones who survive.... may get real tired of being targets.... and decide that perhaps peace is a better option. Prove that we can hit them over and over with impunity... you show them just how impotent they are.. since that seems to be a VERY important part of their existence. Justification for killing innocents? The above reads like a Arabic-English translation of an interview with Al Qui'eda's top brass. just substitute the word peace with Islam. Do you really believe in what you have written?When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #86 January 2, 2008 QuoteJustification for killing innocents? The above reads like a Arabic-English translation of an interview with Al Qui'eda's top brass. just substitute the word peace with Islam. Do you really believe in what you have written? The friend of my enemy is my enemy... in war.. most of those who die are usually not the ones who caused the war.... BUT if your friends have attacked me.. and you are now assisting my enemy.. I get to kill you...isnt that what war is supposed to be about.. killing my enemy??? It seems that in recent confilcts... the radical muslims have used innocents over and over to hide among...just like the Hezbollah terrorists do when hiding in the middle if a peacefull neighborhood to launch their rockets. Perhaps if the people of the neighborhood did soemthing about that.. they would not be subject to the effects of the retaliation. BUT instead they support the terrorists.... then they become targets. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #87 January 2, 2008 So you would advocate the bombing of the Catholic nationalist communities in Northern Ireland who continue to have terrorists living and operating amoungst them? Or does this stratergy only apply to Muslims?When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #88 January 2, 2008 QuoteSo you would advocate the bombing of the Catholic nationalist communities in Northern Ireland who continue to have terrorists living and operating amoungst them? Or does this stratergy only apply to Muslims? They were doing a good job of that themselves.. I know its a big deal to those of you who live under the Union Jack... but....those counties are IRELAND.. the userpers need to go back to their own island. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #89 January 2, 2008 So you'll be giving your house back to the local native indiginious tribe? Most Brits I know couldn't care less if Northern Ireland is British or Irish (it happens to be both) However it is a big deal to many people living in the province (though the majority really don't give a shite either way). The people who live there have chosen to be British, they have voted on it and do so reguarly so maybe you just need to get over it and stop getting misty eyed over something that doesn't exist outside of disapera myth. These days Sinn Fein/PIRA are most concerned about helping the Palastinians beating the Israelis and are more worried about the Polish taking their land than the English When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #90 January 2, 2008 Quotethe local native indiginious tribe? Please. They're called "injuns". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #91 January 2, 2008 LMAO When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #92 January 2, 2008 If it were the local Naive Indingenous tribe, it would be the Democrats. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
