It's getting out of hand!

[shropshire 0]

This sort of assult and Battery [sic] is just a TASter of more to come. That cop should spend a night in the CELL. More shock news at 10:00

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[Zipp0 1]

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I'd really like to know what the verbal exchange was between the two. As I said, I couldn't view the video but was able to view the slide show, but that didn't help much. Can someone (anyone) fill in the blanks? I can't see how using a taser on an unarmed woman in a one-on-one situation can be justified but I don't know what was said.

Unless she said "I am about to assault you" the taser was probably not justified.

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[billvon 3,080]

>What do you think would have happened if that womans SO was a
>legal CCW holder?

Or if SHE had been carrying? The cop might now be dead, and (sadly) it might even be justified.

One big problem with condoning activity like this is that it gives an innocent person an excuse to react to cops with deadly (or potentially deadly) force. "I have a weak heart, and could not be tased without it killing me" could justify shooting a cop in a confrontational situation.

[Amazon 7]

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One big problem with condoning activity like this is that it gives an innocent person an excuse to react to cops with deadly (or potentially deadly) force.

What completely amazes me are the amount of people who are willing to give a pass to group of abusive authoritarian figures who are more willing to attack innocent people rather than doing their jobs as our protectors. It really does lesson the whole profession of those who are supposedly serving and protecting our society.

I think they need some courses in interpersonal relations long before they hit the shooting range... and the taser class.

[KelliJ 0]

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I'd really like to know what the verbal exchange was between the two. As I said, I couldn't view the video but was able to view the slide show, but that didn't help much. Can someone (anyone) fill in the blanks? I can't see how using a taser on an unarmed woman in a one-on-one situation can be justified but I don't know what was said.

Unless she said "I am about to assault you" the taser was probably not justified.

Do you know for certain that she didn't say something to that effect to the cop or to another person there?
It seems there are a lot of posters in this forum who are as quick to jump to conclusions (without knowing all the facts) as that cop was to use her taser.

[normiss 865]

The woman is retreating AWAY from the fat cop the entire time, how threatening could anything she have to say been?
Surveillance video has no audio.
According to the report "All the 35-year-old yoga instructor did was raise her voice to a Daytona Beach police officer." that's from the police dept.
Judging by the video...there wasn't much conversation. The cop needs to be brought up on charges of deadly assault.

[n23x 0]

For once I agree with the people who think all american citizens should be armed to the teeth.

Shoot me unjustly with a potentially fatal weapon, and I am going to justly shoot you back with a potentially fatal weapon.

Maybe some preemtive action is in order here. Maybe before the cops can unjustly draw their potentialy lethal weapons on us, we should show, an indicate our intent to use potentially lethal weapons on them.

Who here would feel just in firing on an officer who unjustly fired on you, regardless of the weapon used?

.jim

"Don't touch my fucking Easter eggs, I'll be back monday." ~JTFC

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The woman is retreating AWAY from the fat cop the entire time, how threatening could anything she have to say been?
Surveillance video has no audio.
According to the report "All the 35-year-old yoga instructor did was raise her voice to a Daytona Beach police officer." that's from the police dept.
Judging by the video...there wasn't much conversation. The cop needs to be brought up on charges of deadly assault.

You're willing to bring charges against the officer based on only what you could see in a surveillance video and what you read in a news report? I'm glad you aren't a prosecutor or else half the citizens of this country would be in jail.
Like I said, it is impossible to know whether it was justified or not without knowing all the details and that includes what was said between the officer and the woman who was tasered. For all we know she may have screamed at the officer, "Don't come any closer or I'll kick your GD ass!"
I'll go out on a limb and say that anyone who gets irate enough over a credit card to have the cops called probably isn't the most stable person in the store.
We don't even know what the confusion over the credit card was. Did she refuse to show ID when she presented the card? Was it in a different name? I've been refused at the checkout because I didn't have an ID on me (I left it in the car) but it was nothing worth throwing a tantrum over.

[normiss 865]

Skimmed right over the POLICE version, didn't you?

[DSE 5]

I'll go out on a limb and say that anyone who gets irate enough over a credit card to have the cops called probably isn't the most stable person in the store.

Bullshit. Cops are called by retailers if you only look at them cross-eyed.
Cops are called when clerks are too stoopid to communicate. Cops are called when the word "f***" is said too loudly. Cops are called when someone merely looks "different."

No one knows the circumstances behind this tasing incident, and I agree the cop shouldn't be fried without all the facts. However...
Being "called" doesn't justify shit. If the woman verbally threatened the officer, the officer has the responsibility to warn the subject. In that video, there doesn't appear to be that dialog, or the potential for that dialog. It's more as if the officer has the attitude of "I don't want to deal with this shit today" and fires.

Go get a CCW permit, whether you carry or not. It's a good way to really f*** up an officers day if they shoot you w/a Taser.

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Skimmed right over the POLICE version, didn't you?

Show me where the police version is and I'll read it. All that is quoted from the police in the link you provided was a statement that said the officer was justified and that the woman was using profane language, was irate, etc., and a sentence explaining some of their policy for use of a taser.

If that is all I had to go on then I would agree that it was justified. But there is more to it than just that so I can't form an opinion one way or the other. All I asked for was someone to post what was said between the cop and the suspect. It seems to me, and i may be wrong, that what was said could possibly have some bearing on why a taser was used. Just a thought.

[billvon 3,080]

>You're willing to bring charges against the officer based on only what
>you could see in a surveillance video and what you read in a news report?

And over what the police claim. (Unless you think they are an unreliable source, of course.)

[Amazon 7]

Well at least no one will need to worry about you in any future police state..






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[KelliJ 0]

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Shoot me unjustly with a potentially fatal weapon, and I am going to justly shoot you back with a potentially fatal weapon.

Yeah, right.

Have you ever been tasered? Not by one of the toys sold to the public by outdoor shops, but by the models cops use?
I have (as part of a training program) and I can tell you first hand that no matter what you think you are going to do when it hits you, when that electricity fires through your muscle tissue your body does what it wants, which is NOT what your brain wants! You are completely helpless for a few moments before slowly regaining control. Many people lose bladder and bowel control when tasered (I did).

[billvon 3,080]

> You are completely helpless for a few moments before slowly regaining control.

Which indicates that you might be justified in shooting him BEFORE he has a chance to tase you.

[KelliJ 0]

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>You're willing to bring charges against the officer based on only what
>you could see in a surveillance video and what you read in a news report?

And over what the police claim. (Unless you think they are an unreliable source, of course.)

Like I said, I couldn't get the video feed and still can't so if there is something there that isn't in the article then please post it so we are all on the same page.

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Well at least no one will need to worry about you in any future police state..






OBEY CONFORM OBEY

Where did you get the idea that I blindly obey and conform? All I've been saying here is that we don't know everything that happened leading up to the tasering.
Do YOu know what was said? Do YOU know what the issue with her credit card was? Do YOU know whether she threatened the cop or someone else?
I have no idea whether it was justified, I wasn't there and there isn't nearly enough information available on the net to come to a conclusion. Doing so without having all the facts-ALL the facts- including what was said, is stupid.

[n23x 0]

Boy, I never said if it would occur before they fired on me, or maybe after in a park with their kids when they're unarmed, did I?

Gasp in shock if you want, but it's just a reversal of roles isn't it? They would deserve nothing less.

.jim

"Don't touch my fucking Easter eggs, I'll be back monday." ~JTFC

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> You are completely helpless for a few moments before slowly regaining control.

Which indicates that you might be justified in shooting him BEFORE he has a chance to tase you.

Yep. It's called self-defense. If someone is about to assault you with a deadly weapon, you are allowed to stop them, even if that person is a cop.

There was a recent case where drug enforcement cops broke down the wrong door in a bad neighborhood. The innocent resident shot several with a shotgun, and was not charged. No cops died, and the man was not charged with a crime.

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Then they would shoot you dead because they consider tasing a LEO as deadly threat.

That is the truth.

SC Cops, is this true?

So, cops can die by taser, but not citizens?

They consider the tazer as a device that could render the LEO incapable of retaining his firearm, so deadly force is authorized in the tazers removal or use against said officer.

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> You are completely helpless for a few moments before slowly regaining control.

Which indicates that you might be justified in shooting him BEFORE he has a chance to tase you.

Which means you better draw and shoot the instant the cops hand goes to toward the taser. But, if you do that, you are no longer protecting yourself against an imminent threat and are shooting a peace officer merely because they were preparing to deal with a situation in case it got out of hand. Where would you draw the line? Would you justify shooting a cop because he pulled out his night stick? Night sticks can be used to kill people a lot more brutally than a taser. What about mounted police? Their horse is a weapon both of intimidation and compliance. Do we start shooting cops because they have dogs with them?
Night sticks, horses, dogs, tasers, etc. are all methods of compliance that cops use. Of all of these tasers are among the most effective, safe, and humane. If you justify shooting a cop because they pull out a taser, then you MUST justify sooting cops just because they have a dog, nightstick, or horse.

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Boy, I never said if it would occur before they fired on me, or maybe after in a park with their kids when they're unarmed, did I?

Gasp in shock if you want, but it's just a reversal of roles isn't it? They would deserve nothing less.

.jim

No, it is not a reversal of roles.
If a cop used a taser on you it would be, justified or not, in the performance of his duties. If it was found to not be justified the cop would be punished.
If you shot an unarmed cop in a park it would be murder and you would, hopefully, face the death penalty for such an act.

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Would you justify shooting a cop because he pulled out his night stick?

If I did nothing and was about to be clubbed? Hell yes. But I doubt that will ever happen to me.

And I've seen maybe 3 mounted police in my life, and all of them were when I was travelling.

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[Amazon 7]

But how many of these threads have you been willing to support an abusive officer..regardless of the circumstances.

Weed the bad ones out.. let them go do something else in life. There is far too much of this type of crap going on in this country..I demand a LOT more professionalism out of those we appoint and give far too much power to protect us

[n23x 0]

I never said anything about killing that officer, did I?

Was the female officer responding "in performance of her duties" if she was not being physically threatened by the woman in this news article? The answer is: no, she was not.

Guess what: You can still uphold the laws/duties you swore to protect/perform WITHOUT protecting the fellow LEOs who DON'T. The problem is too many officers these day get in a huff and say, "you don't know what it's like", "you weren't there", "what do you want, more officers to die?", instead of critically looking at the situation and saying "that officer was wrong, and a lot of other officers have performed incorrectly using this tool, we need to make a change".

I still say that all officers considering using a taser in a non-lethal, unjustified situation should FACE and FEAR the possible repercussions of a citizen fighting back; including death, or maybe just being permenantly disabled for the rest of their miserable life.

.jim

"Don't touch my fucking Easter eggs, I'll be back monday." ~JTFC