Another great victory for George Bush!

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WASHINGTON - The Democratic-controlled House is expected to give President Bush an end-of-session victory in his yearlong battle with anti-war lawmakers over Iraq by approving $70 billion for U.S. military operations there and in Afghanistan.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071219/ap_on_go_co/budget_battle;_ylt=AqYqrxFq19g6CtQFJI8E0Gys0NUE

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I think this is just spin on the 3'000 page budget just passed by lawmakers who don't have a clue what they were voteing for.

blues

jerry

[kallend 2,148]

Anyone that ever had to deal with a recalcitrant 2-year old will understand the Congress's dilemma.

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[Muenkel 0]

Perhaps it is finally occuring to them that the surge is working and finishing the job is worth it.

Or, maybe the democrats are realizing that not funding the troops may bite them in the ass this November.

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Chris

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Perhaps it is finally occuring to them that the surge is working and finishing the job is worth it.

Are you being sarcastic or are you really suggesting "mission accomplished, part deux"?

20 minutes or 20 years wouldn't make a lick of difference.

.jim

"Don't touch my fucking Easter eggs, I'll be back monday." ~JTFC

[Muenkel 0]

No I am not being sarcastic and no I am not proclaiming 'Mission Accomplished Part Deux'.

The surge is moving the war in a positive direction. Everything is not settled yet, but atleast we are finally seeing progress. This should be something that all civil people would be happy for, whether you hate Bush or not.

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Chris

[billvon 3,118]

> Perhaps it is finally occuring to them that the surge is working . . . .

Yep. We are turning the corner now! The insurgency is in its last throes. Six days more, six weeks, I doubt six months. Mission accomplished.

That's the true beauty of the war in Iraq - war supporters can declare victory every few months. Heck, during WWII there were a measly two V-days. Now we can have half a dozen.

And when violence picks up again, as it always does? Don't look at it as going backwards. Look at it as a chance for another announcement of victory!

[Muenkel 0]

Bill,

Are you denying that progress is being made in Iraq now? Don't assume I was one of the war-mongerers. I saw the severe setbacks and worried about our strategies, but I am encouraged at what is now being reported and you should be too...unless you really want us to lose. I'm not saying there won't be more setbacks as I don't have a crystal ball. At this moment, I'm encouraged.

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Chris

[ryoder 1,590]

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> Perhaps it is finally occuring to them that the surge is working . . . .

Yep. We are turning the corner now! The insurgency is in its last throes. Six days more, six weeks, I doubt six months. Mission accomplished.

That's the true beauty of the war in Iraq - war supporters can declare victory every few months. Heck, during WWII there were a measly two V-days. Now we can have half a dozen.

And when violence picks up again, as it always does? Don't look at it as going backwards. Look at it as a chance for another announcement of victory!

Funny, that also fits The War on Drugs, doesn't it?

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[billvon 3,118]

>Are you denying that progress is being made in Iraq now?

Not at all! Progress was also being made in 2003, 2004, 2005 and 2006. Indeed, if you listened to the war supporters, so much progress has been made that it must be the nicest place on earth by now - and the only reason we think differently is that the media is lying about everything.

But 2007 will be the deadliest year for US troops so far. And the Iraqi government is getting weaker, not stronger. Even our own military admits this. It's hard to greet every single announcement of victory against this backdrop without some doubt.

Here's an example of what I'm talking about. The Afghan president, not so long ago really, said his country was improving:

"The construction of new schools and hospitals ... are the characteristics of our social policy. Our brave armed forces have significantly developed ... carry out combat operations, smash extremist bands."

That was 1987. Two years later, the Soviets pulled out of Afghanistan and Najibullah's secular government, dedicated to fighting the Taliban, collapsed.

Now we're hearing the exact same sort of rhetoric in Afghanistan, yet several western leaders are expressing doubts that anything is improving. After a recent NATO meeting, the Australian defense minister said that "We are winning the battles and not the war, in my view. We have been very successful in clearing areas of the Taliban, but it's having no real strategic effect."

So I am glad to hear positive signs, and I hope they really represent progress. But we have heard the exact same story so many times, and have seen such stories collapse when the next wave of violence hits. I hope this time is different - but I'm not holding my breath.

[rushmc 23]

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> Perhaps it is finally occuring to them that the surge is working . . . .

Yep. We are turning the corner now! The insurgency is in its last throes. Six days more, six weeks, I doubt six months. Mission accomplished.

That's the true beauty of the war in Iraq - war supporters can declare victory every few months. Heck, during WWII there were a measly two V-days. Now we can have half a dozen.

And when violence picks up again, as it always does? Don't look at it as going backwards. Look at it as a chance for another announcement of victory!

Yep, and you continue to declare a loss despite evidence to the contrary.

When shall we set the date (blinking eyes seductively)

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Royd 0]

Perhaps it is finally occuring to them that the surge is working . . . .

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Yep. We are turning the corner now! The insurgency is in its last throes. Six days more, six weeks, I doubt six months. Mission accomplished.

That's the true beauty of the war in Iraq - war supporters can declare victory every few months. Heck, during WWII there were a measly two V-days. Now we can have half a dozen.

And when violence picks up again, as it always does? Don't look at it as going backwards. Look at it as a chance for another announcement of victory!

Such optimism. That's what I like about liberals.

[kallend 2,148]

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> Perhaps it is finally occuring to them that the surge is working . . . .

Yep. We are turning the corner now! The insurgency is in its last throes. Six days more, six weeks, I doubt six months. Mission accomplished.

That's the true beauty of the war in Iraq - war supporters can declare victory every few months. Heck, during WWII there were a measly two V-days. Now we can have half a dozen.

And when violence picks up again, as it always does? Don't look at it as going backwards. Look at it as a chance for another announcement of victory!

Yep, and you continue to declare a loss despite evidence to the contrary.

When shall we set the date (blinking eyes seductively)

Best thing we could do is declare victory, say Iraq is capable of self government, give everyone a medal, and bring the boys home.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[Muenkel 0]

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So I am glad to hear positive signs, and I hope they really represent progress. But we have heard the exact same story so many times, and have seen such stories collapse when the next wave of violence hits. I hope this time is different - but I'm not holding my breath.

I'm with you 100% on this.

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Chris

[billvon 3,118]

>Yep, and you continue to declare a loss despite evidence to the contrary.

We've accomplished all our stated goals. (Well, the ones that are possible anyway.) What would you call victory? Another 1000 dead US troops? Another 2000 dead civilians? Another 2000 dead insurgents?

This isn't a game of Risk. There isn't going to be a day that the terrorist flag falls and some brave US soldiers raise the US flag on the hill in the Iwo Jima section of Baghdad, and everyone can go home. Thinking that it IS like that is what has caused many of the problems we have in Iraq.

Want to win the war on terror? Bring our troops home and fortify our defenses against terrorism. Take the trillions and build that border fence. X-ray every single container and piece of luggage that goes through our ports and airports. Make our home safe from the sort of attacks we saw on 9/11.

Want to lose it? Keep our troops over there. Spend money on bullets instead of inspections. Keep accidentally killing civilians. Keep propping up teetering governments because they are more to our liking than the _other_ teetering government we replaced. Keep thinking this is a big game where we're going to "win" one day real soon, if only those liberals would get out of the way.

Declare a loss? Using such a phrase indicates you don't really understand what we're fighting over there. We WILL leave, and when we do things will begin to get better - because terrorists won't have us as easy targets any more, and because the Iraqis will start to depend on themselves instead of us. And if you call that a loss, I hope we "lose" real soon - because it means the Iraqis will win.

[rushmc 23]

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>Yep, and you continue to declare a loss despite evidence to the contrary.

We've accomplished all our stated goals. (Well, the ones that are possible anyway.) What would you call victory? Another 1000 dead US troops? Another 2000 dead civilians? Another 2000 dead insurgents?

This isn't a game of Risk. There isn't going to be a day that the terrorist flag falls and some brave US soldiers raise the US flag on the hill in the Iwo Jima section of Baghdad, and everyone can go home. Thinking that it IS like that is what has caused many of the problems we have in Iraq.

Want to win the war on terror? Bring our troops home and fortify our defenses against terrorism. Take the trillions and build that border fence. X-ray every single container and piece of luggage that goes through our ports and airports. Make our home safe from the sort of attacks we saw on 9/11.

Want to lose it? Keep our troops over there. Spend money on bullets instead of inspections. Keep accidentally killing civilians. Keep propping up teetering governments because they are more to our liking than the _other_ teetering government we replaced. Keep thinking this is a big game where we're going to "win" one day real soon, if only those liberals would get out of the way.

Declare a loss? Using such a phrase indicates you don't really understand what we're fighting over there. We WILL leave, and when we do things will begin to get better - because terrorists won't have us as easy targets any more, and because the Iraqis will start to depend on themselves instead of us. And if you call that a loss, I hope we "lose" real soon - because it means the Iraqis will win.

And who (what president) do you think will get our troops out of there?

Answer, none of the ones that have a chance of winning the election. (and I am not sure any that would win would either)

You live in a dream world. I understand your world, I just dont agree with it.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Amazon 7]

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And who (what president) do you think will get our troops out of there?

Both Ron Paul.. and Bill Richardson would get our people out of there...it aint over till its over with the election.

[KidWicked 0]

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>Yep, and you continue to declare a loss despite evidence to the contrary.

We've accomplished all our stated goals. (Well, the ones that are possible anyway.) What would you call victory? Another 1000 dead US troops? Another 2000 dead civilians? Another 2000 dead insurgents?

This isn't a game of Risk. There isn't going to be a day that the terrorist flag falls and some brave US soldiers raise the US flag on the hill in the Iwo Jima section of Baghdad, and everyone can go home. Thinking that it IS like that is what has caused many of the problems we have in Iraq.

Want to win the war on terror? Bring our troops home and fortify our defenses against terrorism. Take the trillions and build that border fence. X-ray every single container and piece of luggage that goes through our ports and airports. Make our home safe from the sort of attacks we saw on 9/11.

Want to lose it? Keep our troops over there. Spend money on bullets instead of inspections. Keep accidentally killing civilians. Keep propping up teetering governments because they are more to our liking than the _other_ teetering government we replaced. Keep thinking this is a big game where we're going to "win" one day real soon, if only those liberals would get out of the way.

Declare a loss? Using such a phrase indicates you don't really understand what we're fighting over there. We WILL leave, and when we do things will begin to get better - because terrorists won't have us as easy targets any more, and because the Iraqis will start to depend on themselves instead of us. And if you call that a loss, I hope we "lose" real soon - because it means the Iraqis will win.

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