SpeedRacer 1 #1 December 18, 2007 Hmmm. Most of the polls are done over land lines. and the polls go something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPpCvF7N3Vg This on top of the fact that whenever the mainstream media have anyone mention Ron Paul, they JUMP in & make a big point of saying he's a "longshot" or "doesn't stand a chance" or whatever. Here's another example of the MSM jumping in there and IMPULSIVELY rejecting Ron Paul as a serious candidate: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZE6ade7DEs Notice how when the Republican college woman mentions her support for Ron Paul the commentator IMMEDIATELY says "WHOA" it's a sort of MSM Tourette's syndrome. and from the left you get people like Stephanopolous who just HAVE to jump in there & immediately tell everyone the Ron Paul "doesn't stand a chance." It is almost as if the MSM wants to tell us who we should not vote for. Shouldn't they just report the news instead of creating it? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #2 December 18, 2007 It's not "MSM Tourette's syndrome", it's the fact that the Republican party isn't going to let him be the nominee; ever. If Ron Paul runs in the General, it will have to be as an Independent. It's weird too because he probably does have enough support to be a spoiler candidate, but no way in hell is he ever getting elected to the Oval. He has zero chance.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #3 December 18, 2007 QuoteIt's not "MSM Tourette's syndrome", it's the fact that the Republican party isn't going to let him be the nominee; ever. If Ron Paul runs in the General, it will have to be as an Independent. It's weird too because he probably does have enough support to be a spoiler candidate, but no way in hell is he ever getting elected to the Oval. He has zero chance. In this specific example he was not speaking of the Republican Party was he? Do you believe Stephanopolous is voice of the Republican Party? It seems to me the MSM may be a bit afraid of him iregarless of the Partys position. As for his chances? I agree with your point."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kschilk 0 #4 December 18, 2007 I think the last time I saw him, he was black, dressed like a woman and was on some kinda' talk show. Maybe he could replace ol' Kindasleezy Rice!"T'was ever thus." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #5 December 18, 2007 Quote...It is almost as if the MSM wants to tell us who we should not vote for...Shouldn't they just report the news instead of creating it? Where have you been for the last 70 years and more?My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #6 December 18, 2007 Quote I think the last time I saw him, he was black, dressed like a woman and was on some kinda' talk show. Maybe he could replace ol' Kindasleezy Rice! He/She is a hoot! You will Rue the day when he/she gets elected. My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zagijimzoo 0 #7 December 18, 2007 How do you know that? We haven't even voted yet! i'm voting for Ron! Who are you voting for? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #8 December 18, 2007 QuoteQuoteIt's not "MSM Tourette's syndrome", it's the fact that the Republican party isn't going to let him be the nominee; ever. If Ron Paul runs in the General, it will have to be as an Independent. It's weird too because he probably does have enough support to be a spoiler candidate, but no way in hell is he ever getting elected to the Oval. He has zero chance. In this specific example he was not speaking of the Republican Party was he? Do you believe Stephanopolous is voice of the Republican Party? No. But neither is he going to waste large portions of his time covering a person that wants to run as a Republican than doesn't really have the support of the Republican party as a whole. It's essentially the same reason why Snuffleupagus hasn't interviewed me for the gig.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #9 December 18, 2007 QuoteHow do you know that? We haven't even voted yet! i'm voting for Ron! Who are you voting for? Because history tells me that people that reveal themselves to be nutcases BEFORE the election rarely get elected.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites diablopilot 2 #10 December 18, 2007 Quote Quote How do you know that? We haven't even voted yet! i'm voting for Ron! Who are you voting for? Because history tells me that people that reveal themselves to be nutcases BEFORE the election rarely get elected. Guess we've got nothing to worry about if you ever decide to run for office then.Oh shit. Was that a PA?---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #11 December 18, 2007 http://successwarrior.typepad.com/chronicles/2007/12/i-was-wrong-abo.html Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites livendive 8 #12 December 18, 2007 Quotehttp://successwarrior.typepad.com/chronicles/2007/12/i-was-wrong-abo.html Check it... Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #13 December 18, 2007 Quoteno way in hell is he ever getting elected to the Oval. He has zero chance. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/28/Deweytruman12.jpg My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #14 December 18, 2007 QuoteQuoteno way in hell is he ever getting elected to the Oval. He has zero chance. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/28/Deweytruman12.jpg I believe in that contest Truman was at least the candidate for a major party in the general election. When Ron Paul achieves that status, I'll be willing to talk. Unless, of course, you wanna start making bets or something.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites diablopilot 2 #15 December 18, 2007 What kind of odds are you giving?---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #16 December 18, 2007 Yay CNN! Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #17 December 19, 2007 His $6M one day fund raiser not withstanding, he is getting a lot of attention here in Iowa right now. And he is showing up on many of the online news sources. It is being said regardless of his performance he will be influential in times to come. I think that is a good thing."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #18 December 19, 2007 QuoteHis $6M one day fund raiser not withstanding, he is getting a lot of attention here in Iowa right now. And he is showing up on many of the online news sources. It is being said regardless of his performance he will be influential in times to come. I think that is a good thing. He will be "influential" in approximately the same way that Ross Perot or John Anderson were.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterblaster72 0 #19 December 19, 2007 QuoteQuoteHow do you know that? We haven't even voted yet! i'm voting for Ron! Who are you voting for? Because history tells me that people that reveal themselves to be nutcases BEFORE the election rarely get elected. "Nutcase "is a strong characterization. Mind elaborating on why you think he's a nutcase, or are you completely ignorant of Ron Paul and what his ideas are? Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #20 December 19, 2007 Quote"Nutcase "is a strong characterization. Mind elaborating on why you think he's a nutcase, or are you completely ignorant of Ron Paul and what his ideas are? Well, perhaps it's his statements that he's made on various topics that lead me to believe he's a nutcase. For instance, he believes that gun control enabled 911 to take place(*) and he's also very chummy with a number of 911 conspiracy and neo-nazi groups(**) He might be able to get a bit of support, but it's not from the sorts of people I personally would want being anywhere near government.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #21 December 19, 2007 wow. what an amazing distortion of ron paul's positions.He clearly says that America's intrusive foreign policy is the thing that contributed to motivating the 9/11 attackers. And he isn't "chummy" with the tin foil hatters or the Nazis. Unfortunately one side effect of libertarianism is that you also get these "fringe" types, who feel that they are at war with the bulk of humanity, who tend to latch onto the sides of a movement that wants to reduce the power of the Federal government. That doesn't mean that Paul is "chummy" with them. The Neo-Nazis endorsed Ronald Reagan; that doesn't mean Reagan was chummy with Nazis. Paul has explicitly said he doesn't want their support. I don't know where the F you get the idea that those people would be "anywhere near the government" if Paul were elected. Those groups are always suspicious of the "evil gummint," & it's not hard to understand why they would latch onto a movement to reduce its power. It's a side effect. Just like there are a few people who think Che Guevara & Castro are really cool who support the Democrats, doesn't mean that the Democratic Party as a whole are totalitarian communists. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #22 December 19, 2007 Quotewow. what an amazing distortion of ron paul's positions. From the first article; QuoteTwo specific regulations proved to be disastrous for dealing with the thugs who, without even a single gun, took over four airliners and created the havoc of 9/11. Both the prohibition against guns in cockpits and precise instructions that crews not resist hijackers contributed immensely to the horrors of 9/11. Instead of immediately legalizing a natural right of personal self-defense guaranteed by an explicit Second Amendment freedom, we still do not have armed pilots in the sky. I'm sorry, but if you don't recognize that as being code words to reassure the NRA of his positions, then I can't help you. Using scare tactics of gun issues combined with 911 in this sense bugs the crap out of me. I'll address the tinfoil hat contributors in a bit . . . gotta get back to work for a few.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #23 December 19, 2007 Quote Quote wow. what an amazing distortion of ron paul's positions. From the first article; Quote Two specific regulations proved to be disastrous for dealing with the thugs who, without even a single gun, took over four airliners and created the havoc of 9/11. Both the prohibition against guns in cockpits and precise instructions that crews not resist hijackers contributed immensely to the horrors of 9/11. Instead of immediately legalizing a natural right of personal self-defense guaranteed by an explicit Second Amendment freedom, we still do not have armed pilots in the sky. I'm sorry, but if you don't recognize that as being code words to reassure the NRA of his positions, then I can't help you. Using scare tactics of gun issues combined with 911 in this sense bugs the crap out of me. I'll address the tinfoil hat contributors in a bit . . . gotta get back to work making my tin foil hat there, I finished your sentence for youI'll bet you think Bush is setting up to give Cheney power under marshall law as others have stated on this site too, don't you........."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,110 #24 December 19, 2007 >I'll bet you think Bush is setting up to give Cheney power under marshall law . . . So Marshall Law would be in charge, and Dick Cheney would be sort of his sidekick? I like it! Sounds like it could be a TV show a la 24. Marshall Law sounds better than Jack Bauer anyway. "In this week's episode, Marshall Law defeats a gang of terrorists intent on destroying Los Angeles while Dick Cheney extracts a confession from a recalcitrant Jenna Bush." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nanook 1 #25 December 19, 2007 Quote Unfortunately one side effect of libertarianism is that you also get these "fringe" types, who feel that they are at war with the bulk of humanity, who tend to latch onto the sides of a movement that wants to reduce the power of the Federal government I get this "fringe" feeling from the lib.org website in general. The website gives me the impression of nostalgia for history that comes from disenfranchisement and lack of understanding of the why's things are what they are today. EVERYBODY wants less govt and less taxes. But, Thomas Jefferson was from another time period where manufacturing, production and business models were different and Isolationism and pure independence of other countrys' imports were possible. "Intrusive" foreign policy is not a form of policy; it's the only way. Only the most poorest of third world countries aren't stakeholders of the rest of the world. I swear that some of the ideas from that site came out of the group meeting of a veranda of a 1800's plantation. Philosophically and economically speaking, the Lib.org's remind me of the Amish. Lib.org is Escapism Politics. This is why they are ignored._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 1 of 4 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. 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quade 4 #9 December 18, 2007 QuoteHow do you know that? We haven't even voted yet! i'm voting for Ron! Who are you voting for? Because history tells me that people that reveal themselves to be nutcases BEFORE the election rarely get elected.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #10 December 18, 2007 Quote Quote How do you know that? We haven't even voted yet! i'm voting for Ron! Who are you voting for? Because history tells me that people that reveal themselves to be nutcases BEFORE the election rarely get elected. Guess we've got nothing to worry about if you ever decide to run for office then.Oh shit. Was that a PA?---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #11 December 18, 2007 http://successwarrior.typepad.com/chronicles/2007/12/i-was-wrong-abo.html Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #12 December 18, 2007 Quotehttp://successwarrior.typepad.com/chronicles/2007/12/i-was-wrong-abo.html Check it... Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #13 December 18, 2007 Quoteno way in hell is he ever getting elected to the Oval. He has zero chance. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/28/Deweytruman12.jpg My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #14 December 18, 2007 QuoteQuoteno way in hell is he ever getting elected to the Oval. He has zero chance. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/28/Deweytruman12.jpg I believe in that contest Truman was at least the candidate for a major party in the general election. When Ron Paul achieves that status, I'll be willing to talk. Unless, of course, you wanna start making bets or something.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #15 December 18, 2007 What kind of odds are you giving?---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #16 December 18, 2007 Yay CNN! Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #17 December 19, 2007 His $6M one day fund raiser not withstanding, he is getting a lot of attention here in Iowa right now. And he is showing up on many of the online news sources. It is being said regardless of his performance he will be influential in times to come. I think that is a good thing."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #18 December 19, 2007 QuoteHis $6M one day fund raiser not withstanding, he is getting a lot of attention here in Iowa right now. And he is showing up on many of the online news sources. It is being said regardless of his performance he will be influential in times to come. I think that is a good thing. He will be "influential" in approximately the same way that Ross Perot or John Anderson were.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #19 December 19, 2007 QuoteQuoteHow do you know that? We haven't even voted yet! i'm voting for Ron! Who are you voting for? Because history tells me that people that reveal themselves to be nutcases BEFORE the election rarely get elected. "Nutcase "is a strong characterization. Mind elaborating on why you think he's a nutcase, or are you completely ignorant of Ron Paul and what his ideas are? Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #20 December 19, 2007 Quote"Nutcase "is a strong characterization. Mind elaborating on why you think he's a nutcase, or are you completely ignorant of Ron Paul and what his ideas are? Well, perhaps it's his statements that he's made on various topics that lead me to believe he's a nutcase. For instance, he believes that gun control enabled 911 to take place(*) and he's also very chummy with a number of 911 conspiracy and neo-nazi groups(**) He might be able to get a bit of support, but it's not from the sorts of people I personally would want being anywhere near government.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #21 December 19, 2007 wow. what an amazing distortion of ron paul's positions.He clearly says that America's intrusive foreign policy is the thing that contributed to motivating the 9/11 attackers. And he isn't "chummy" with the tin foil hatters or the Nazis. Unfortunately one side effect of libertarianism is that you also get these "fringe" types, who feel that they are at war with the bulk of humanity, who tend to latch onto the sides of a movement that wants to reduce the power of the Federal government. That doesn't mean that Paul is "chummy" with them. The Neo-Nazis endorsed Ronald Reagan; that doesn't mean Reagan was chummy with Nazis. Paul has explicitly said he doesn't want their support. I don't know where the F you get the idea that those people would be "anywhere near the government" if Paul were elected. Those groups are always suspicious of the "evil gummint," & it's not hard to understand why they would latch onto a movement to reduce its power. It's a side effect. Just like there are a few people who think Che Guevara & Castro are really cool who support the Democrats, doesn't mean that the Democratic Party as a whole are totalitarian communists. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #22 December 19, 2007 Quotewow. what an amazing distortion of ron paul's positions. From the first article; QuoteTwo specific regulations proved to be disastrous for dealing with the thugs who, without even a single gun, took over four airliners and created the havoc of 9/11. Both the prohibition against guns in cockpits and precise instructions that crews not resist hijackers contributed immensely to the horrors of 9/11. Instead of immediately legalizing a natural right of personal self-defense guaranteed by an explicit Second Amendment freedom, we still do not have armed pilots in the sky. I'm sorry, but if you don't recognize that as being code words to reassure the NRA of his positions, then I can't help you. Using scare tactics of gun issues combined with 911 in this sense bugs the crap out of me. I'll address the tinfoil hat contributors in a bit . . . gotta get back to work for a few.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #23 December 19, 2007 Quote Quote wow. what an amazing distortion of ron paul's positions. From the first article; Quote Two specific regulations proved to be disastrous for dealing with the thugs who, without even a single gun, took over four airliners and created the havoc of 9/11. Both the prohibition against guns in cockpits and precise instructions that crews not resist hijackers contributed immensely to the horrors of 9/11. Instead of immediately legalizing a natural right of personal self-defense guaranteed by an explicit Second Amendment freedom, we still do not have armed pilots in the sky. I'm sorry, but if you don't recognize that as being code words to reassure the NRA of his positions, then I can't help you. Using scare tactics of gun issues combined with 911 in this sense bugs the crap out of me. I'll address the tinfoil hat contributors in a bit . . . gotta get back to work making my tin foil hat there, I finished your sentence for youI'll bet you think Bush is setting up to give Cheney power under marshall law as others have stated on this site too, don't you........."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,110 #24 December 19, 2007 >I'll bet you think Bush is setting up to give Cheney power under marshall law . . . So Marshall Law would be in charge, and Dick Cheney would be sort of his sidekick? I like it! Sounds like it could be a TV show a la 24. Marshall Law sounds better than Jack Bauer anyway. "In this week's episode, Marshall Law defeats a gang of terrorists intent on destroying Los Angeles while Dick Cheney extracts a confession from a recalcitrant Jenna Bush." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #25 December 19, 2007 Quote Unfortunately one side effect of libertarianism is that you also get these "fringe" types, who feel that they are at war with the bulk of humanity, who tend to latch onto the sides of a movement that wants to reduce the power of the Federal government I get this "fringe" feeling from the lib.org website in general. The website gives me the impression of nostalgia for history that comes from disenfranchisement and lack of understanding of the why's things are what they are today. EVERYBODY wants less govt and less taxes. But, Thomas Jefferson was from another time period where manufacturing, production and business models were different and Isolationism and pure independence of other countrys' imports were possible. "Intrusive" foreign policy is not a form of policy; it's the only way. Only the most poorest of third world countries aren't stakeholders of the rest of the world. I swear that some of the ideas from that site came out of the group meeting of a veranda of a 1800's plantation. Philosophically and economically speaking, the Lib.org's remind me of the Amish. Lib.org is Escapism Politics. This is why they are ignored._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
