SkyDekker 1,465 #77 December 19, 2007 QuoteSo tell us what they have to do to declare a victory? You would first need a clearly defined goal. Something the Bush administration has never provided. There have been some very ill defined statements, but they ususally change if you have 10 minutes to wait. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #78 December 19, 2007 QuoteQuoteSo tell us what they have to do to declare a victory? You would first need a clearly defined goal. Something the Bush administration has never provided.I do not think that is true. The Dems have provided thier goals but they are constantly moving There have been some very ill defined statements, but they ususally change if you have 10 minutes to wait."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #79 December 19, 2007 You don't think the Bush administration has constantly moved their goals with respect to the Iraqi invasion? They have publicly, you might be right that the true goals never did move, but then they were never publicized..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #80 December 19, 2007 QuoteYou don't think the Bush administration has constantly moved their goals with respect to the Iraqi invasion? They have publicly, you might be right that the true goals never did move, but then they were never publicized..... Im sorry, my post was meant to follow what you posted here. The Bush Admin has stated goals and you are right, we may not have gotten all of them enumerated to us. It is the Dems that have the moving target. Since defeat is what they saddled themselves with they have given themselves no other choice"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #81 December 19, 2007 QuoteIt is the Dems that have the moving target. Since defeat is what they saddled themselves with they have given themselves no other choice Onward Keyboard warriors Marching as to war...... With the stench of chickenhawks going on before........ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #82 December 19, 2007 Quote Quote great defender of the keyboard.. Let's dance! Is that the “Future Desk Warrior” variant of the Army’s Future Force Warrior? A couple years ago, a colleague & I joked about that after three days of “Death by PowerPoint” (during a program review) … although I must admit that I am an active member of the PowerPoint tribe, with my PowerPoint Ranger tab. [tongue firmly in cheek] Perhaps someone will initiate legislation for PowerPoint control ... then only criminals will have PowerPoint. [removing tongue from cheek] /Marg Quote "The idea behind most of these briefings is for us to sit through 100 slides with our eyes glazed over, and then to do what all military organizations hope for ... to surrender to an overwhelming mass." - Richard Danzig Former Secretary of the Navy Quote "Navy Secretary Danzig announced late last year that he was no longer willing to soldier through the slide shows. He maintains that PowerPoint briefings are only necessary for two reasons: If field conditions are changing rapidly or if the audience is 'functionally illiterate.'" - Anonymous Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #83 December 19, 2007 BWAHAHAHAHAHA Love the patchHell I am not even in the military since Dec 1979 and I sure as hell qualify for that one... 30 years in IT will do that to ya.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #84 December 19, 2007 Quote Im sorry, my post was meant to follow what you posted here. The Bush Admin has stated goals and you are right, we may not have gotten all of them enumerated to us. So you believe the Bush admin has always had the same core goals in regards to Iraq, despite their stated goals having changed somewhat. So you believe that the Bush admin lied to us, to congress and to the UN to drum up support for the invasion. Progress is being madeDo you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #85 December 19, 2007 Quote Quote Im sorry, my post was meant to follow what you posted here. The Bush Admin has stated goals and you are right, we may not have gotten all of them enumerated to us. So you believe the Bush admin has always had the same core goals in regards to Iraq, despite their stated goals having changed somewhat. So you believe that the Bush admin lied to us, to congress and to the UN to drum up support for the invasion. Progress is being made The only "progress" made here is fully showing your elitist know it all attitude your type possesses. To your first point, Yes, I do believe the goals are basically the same. How we are getting there has changed (as it does in all conflicts) but I also believe that every president (and I really don't care what you think cause you are not from the US) has goals and info they can never share. Second No, he did not lie. That is just he crap you have to spew to keep yourself feeling you know it all. After all, you have to keep your elitism fed......"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #86 December 19, 2007 QuoteSecond No, he did not lie. That is just he crap you have to spew to keep yourself feeling you know it all. After all, you have to keep your elitism fed...... But the stated goals have changed. That is a matter of record. If the real goals have always been the same then either Bush lied then or he is lying now. It's quite simple. QuoteThe only "progress" made here is fully showing your elitist know it all attitude your type possesses. My type? You just said that you think Hansen is a loony just because you disagree with him. That's pretty elitist.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #87 December 19, 2007 It's ok Jakee...... its not possible to make a coherent argument with the members of the Right Wing. There is another form of elitism that they practice its a negative elitism... the cornpone down home variety. Personally I am glad I worked hard and long to get a good education and have quite a few brain cells that actually work..... and some of them forget that the whole down home good old boy act.. is just that... The Incompetent in Charge is the penultimate elitist. They wallow in their anti-intellectualism. http://physics911.net/pdf/schwarz.pdf Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #88 December 19, 2007 QuoteThey wallow in their anti-intellectualism. mmmmm, "wallow"ing Did you know eskimos eat whale meat and blubber? . . . . . . . I'd blubber too if I had to eat whale meat. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #89 December 19, 2007 I was thinking of a more common animal actually.....unnatural habitat.......midwest corn lots. .....................oink Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #90 December 19, 2007 Quote I was thinking of a more common animal actually.....unnatural habitat.......midwest corn lots. .....................oink It if funny you try and use this as an insult. I am quite proud of where I come from and live. Earlier in my life, every place out West I applied for a job, once I told them I was from Iowa, I got the job with the following (type) comments. "I wish everyone worked as hard and had as much sense as people from Iowa do"Yes Mam, quite proud indeed"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #91 December 19, 2007 QuoteThere have been some very ill defined statements, but they ususally change if you have 10 minutes to wait.Kind of Hillary's position, depending on her audience. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #92 December 21, 2007 QuoteKind of Hillary's position, depending on her audience. True (Though she hasn't invaded any countries....yet) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
