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-Require all guns have yearly safety inspections, and that they all meet basic design requirements.

-Require that all gun users have a gun license, pass a biennial gun safety review, and demonstrate proficiency on the sort of gun they want to operate.

-Have currency requirements. No gun usage outside of target ranges unless you have fired at least 3 rounds of that type of gun in the last 90 days.

-Require that all guns have insurance in case they cause damage to someone/something else.

-Require registration of all guns, with a serial number assigned to each one. Registration must be produced upon request.

-Allow operation/transportation of guns only in uncontrolled areas (i.e. areas far from roads, cities etc.) For other areas, you'll need varying levels of clearance, from a simple call to a police station ("I will be carrying a gun from St. Louis to Chicago on Sept 3rd") to explicit permission ("I would like clearance to carry a gun from LA to SFO.")
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Hi there, that's exactly what's required over here, Sir! Essential basics! How did you know?

BTW: I fully agree with those regulations and we (all law abiding hunters/gun owners here) strictly follow them! Otherwise, if you only fail in one of these points, your license is gone forever, your drivers license too, your skydivers' license .... you name it. Strict but, working fine.

Yep.

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[rushmc 23]

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-Require all guns have yearly safety inspections, and that they all meet basic design requirements.

-Require that all gun users have a gun license, pass a biennial gun safety review, and demonstrate proficiency on the sort of gun they want to operate.

-Have currency requirements. No gun usage outside of target ranges unless you have fired at least 3 rounds of that type of gun in the last 90 days.

-Require that all guns have insurance in case they cause damage to someone/something else.

-Require registration of all guns, with a serial number assigned to each one. Registration must be produced upon request.

-Allow operation/transportation of guns only in uncontrolled areas (i.e. areas far from roads, cities etc.) For other areas, you'll need varying levels of clearance, from a simple call to a police station ("I will be carrying a gun from St. Louis to Chicago on Sept 3rd") to explicit permission ("I would like clearance to carry a gun from LA to SFO.")
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Hi there, that's exactly what's required over here, Sir! Essential basics! How did you know?

BTW: I fully agree with those regulations and we (all law abiding hunters/gun owners here) strictly follow them! Otherwise, if you only fail in one of these points, your license is gone forever, your drivers license too, your skydivers' license .... you name it. Strict but, working fine.

Yep.

I understand are respect your opinion however, what you "support" would be the first step down the slippery slope IMO.

One must understand why our founding fathers were afraid of when our constitution was written. In ways too many to enumerate, I believe that today, in this point of history, their fears are coming to pass.

Two, landmark court cases are about to adjudicated. I am one that believes that the future of the US hangs in the balance and its very survival balances on those decisions.

Will it happen in my life time if the courts fail? No, I do not believe so but, my great grandchildren will live those decisions made in 2008.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,150]

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>Not THAT is an honest reply. Proud?

Is there anything at all you can say about the original topic that's not an attack?

Hey sir, I responded to a ridicules reply toward the originator of this thread. YOU are the one with the attack.

I do not see, nor did I intend, my post as an "attack" However, should YOU see it that way, you should expect to be able to take in return what you dish out.

What exactly is ridicules (sic) about following the analogy to a logical conclusion - except that the logical conclusion is uncomfortable for you?

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-Require all guns have yearly safety inspections, and that they all meet basic design requirements.

-Require that all gun users have a gun license, pass a biennial gun safety review, and demonstrate proficiency on the sort of gun they want to operate.

-Have currency requirements. No gun usage outside of target ranges unless you have fired at least 3 rounds of that type of gun in the last 90 days.

-Require that all guns have insurance in case they cause damage to someone/something else.

-Require registration of all guns, with a serial number assigned to each one. Registration must be produced upon request.

-Allow operation/transportation of guns only in uncontrolled areas (i.e. areas far from roads, cities etc.) For other areas, you'll need varying levels of clearance, from a simple call to a police station ("I will be carrying a gun from St. Louis to Chicago on Sept 3rd") to explicit permission ("I would like clearance to carry a gun from LA to SFO.")
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Hi there, that's exactly what's required over here, Sir! Essential basics! How did you know?

BTW: I fully agree with those regulations and we (all law abiding hunters/gun owners here) strictly follow them! Otherwise, if you only fail in one of these points, your license is gone forever, your drivers license too, your skydivers' license .... you name it. Strict but, working fine.

Yep.

I understand are respect your opinion however, what you "support" would be the first step down the slippery slope IMO.

One must understand why our founding fathers were afraid of when our constitution was written. In ways too many to enumerate, I believe that today, in this point of history, their fears are coming to pass.

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The founding fathers also believed in slavery, believed that blacks were sub-human, and that women were incapable of casting a vote in a rational fashion. They were far from infallible.

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>I do not see, nor did I intend, my post as an "attack"

Followed by

>You should not expect anyone to take your "down your nose" responses . . .
>Arrogance is a weakness in my opinion

You are in fine form tonight.

But in any case, do you have anything to add to the thread other than the insults?

[kbordson 8]

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To take it to a more practical level -

Ahhh.... but what about ultralights?

[rushmc 23]

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>Not THAT is an honest reply. Proud?

Is there anything at all you can say about the original topic that's not an attack?

Hey sir, I responded to a ridicules reply toward the originator of this thread. YOU are the one with the attack.

I do not see, nor did I intend, my post as an "attack" However, should YOU see it that way, you should expect to be able to take in return what you dish out.

What exactly is ridicules (sic) about following the analogy to a logical conclusion - except that the logical conclusion is uncomfortable for you?

I am not uncomfortable about my position sir. You are trying to read minds again?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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-Require all guns have yearly safety inspections, and that they all meet basic design requirements.

-Require that all gun users have a gun license, pass a biennial gun safety review, and demonstrate proficiency on the sort of gun they want to operate.

-Have currency requirements. No gun usage outside of target ranges unless you have fired at least 3 rounds of that type of gun in the last 90 days.

-Require that all guns have insurance in case they cause damage to someone/something else.

-Require registration of all guns, with a serial number assigned to each one. Registration must be produced upon request.

-Allow operation/transportation of guns only in uncontrolled areas (i.e. areas far from roads, cities etc.) For other areas, you'll need varying levels of clearance, from a simple call to a police station ("I will be carrying a gun from St. Louis to Chicago on Sept 3rd") to explicit permission ("I would like clearance to carry a gun from LA to SFO.")
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Hi there, that's exactly what's required over here, Sir! Essential basics! How did you know?

BTW: I fully agree with those regulations and we (all law abiding hunters/gun owners here) strictly follow them! Otherwise, if you only fail in one of these points, your license is gone forever, your drivers license too, your skydivers' license .... you name it. Strict but, working fine.

Yep.

I understand are respect your opinion however, what you "support" would be the first step down the slippery slope IMO.

One must understand why our founding fathers were afraid of when our constitution was written. In ways too many to enumerate, I believe that today, in this point of history, their fears are coming to pass.

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The founding fathers also believed in slavery, believed that blacks were sub-human, and that women were incapable of casting a vote in a rational fashion. They were far from infallible.

And a that was changed et al now wasnt it! So, while not infalliable they created a country and document that has lasted longer in modern times, and created the strongest country in the world today (and I know you hate that) So, I stand by my post

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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>I do not see, nor did I intend, my post as an "attack"

Followed by

>You should not expect anyone to take your "down your nose" responses . . .
>Arrogance is a weakness in my opinion

You are in fine form tonight.

But in any case, do you have anything to add to the thread other than the insults?

And who have I insulted ?

Nice try

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,150]

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>I do not see, nor did I intend, my post as an "attack"

Followed by

>You should not expect anyone to take your "down your nose" responses . . .
>Arrogance is a weakness in my opinion

You are in fine form tonight.

But in any case, do you have anything to add to the thread other than the insults?

And who have I insulted ?

Nice try

Irony score off the scale - it's right there in the stuff you quoted!

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[rushmc 23]

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>I do not see, nor did I intend, my post as an "attack"

Followed by

>You should not expect anyone to take your "down your nose" responses . . .
>Arrogance is a weakness in my opinion

You are in fine form tonight.

But in any case, do you have anything to add to the thread other than the insults?

And who have I insulted ?

Nice try

Irony score off the scale - it's right there in the stuff you quoted!

Really?

I guess I believe there is a difference between and insult and calling some one on their bull shit.

Kind of like I am calling you on right now.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,150]

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>I do not see, nor did I intend, my post as an "attack"

Followed by

>You should not expect anyone to take your "down your nose" responses . . .
>Arrogance is a weakness in my opinion

You are in fine form tonight.

But in any case, do you have anything to add to the thread other than the insults?

And who have I insulted ?

Nice try

Irony score off the scale - it's right there in the stuff you quoted!

Really?

I guess I believe there is a difference between and insult and calling some one on their bull shit.

Kind of like I am calling you on right now.

It just gets better and better. Keep digging.

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[rushmc 23]

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>I do not see, nor did I intend, my post as an "attack"

Followed by

>You should not expect anyone to take your "down your nose" responses . . .
>Arrogance is a weakness in my opinion

You are in fine form tonight.

But in any case, do you have anything to add to the thread other than the insults?

And who have I insulted ?

Nice try

Irony score off the scale - it's right there in the stuff you quoted!

Really?

I guess I believe there is a difference between and insult and calling some one on their bull shit.

Kind of like I am calling you on right now.

It just gets better and better. Keep digging.

Desperation does not become you sir

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,120]

>I guess I believe there is a difference between and insult and calling
>some one on their bull shit.

If someone replied to you in the manner you replied to me, you would reply to that post 10 times with "Oh but he can get away with personal attacks and I can't!" "Faviritism!" "UI guess whe can see whoi the mods like and who they dont"

For the third time, do you have anything (other than attacks on people you dislike) to post about the topic at hand?

[rushmc 23]

If I had made an attack I would reply. But since the premise of your question is faulty, I can not reply to your question lest I give it credibility.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,120]

I've asked you three times if you would like to talk about the topic of the thread, and three times you have refused. Therefore, please start a new thread to discuss your new topic.

[rushmc 23]

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I've asked you three times if you would like to talk about the topic of the thread, and three times you have refused. Therefore, please start a new thread to discuss your new topic.

And under what premise have you asked??

Oh, this is a treat

Or, are you admiting you have not been attacked and are asking under a new premise?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

By the way, I did respond to you under the context of this thread. I told you I thought you had missed the point (completely) of what he was trying to convey.

Now, while I may be wrong, (because context is sometimes missed in the written word) I did reply. So, you are not 0 for 2 in the premises under which you pose your queries.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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So... let me understand here. Rifles are ok. But it's only handguns that are violent? Is that what the above statement means. I'm just trying to see where your line is.

Rifles can be violent too, BUT... rifles are actually a tool to accurately shoot a bullet to a target or animal. Hand guns are for concealing in your person and to use in self defence at short range or to attack another person. Handguns can be used for hunting also but are FAR less accurate and have less range so therfore are not as useful.

Hunting has become necessary in New Zealand due to the overpopulation of exotic animals but in africa it is endangering native species.

So a balance needs to be met.

Handgunds have their place in the police force etc. but should not be as readily available to the general public IMHO.

This is all I am saying.

Guns aren't bad just the mentality behind those that think they are fine to have lying around the home etc.

To get back to the origional debate.

If guns are not voilent......

I could imagine Barney or some other childrens charachter flyng in a plane but could you imagine him rocking a Handgun?

I would think everyone would flip out a little if he did wouldn't you?

Is it OK for children to be exposed to guns while shopping for a skateboard?

Not really.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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So... let me understand here. Rifles are ok. But it's only handguns that are violent? Is that what the above statement means. I'm just trying to see where your line is.

Handguns can be used for hunting also but are FAR less accurate and have less range so therfore are not as useful.

Not necessarily, some hunters enjoy more of a challenge.

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[rushmc 23]

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So... let me understand here. Rifles are ok. But it's only handguns that are violent? Is that what the above statement means. I'm just trying to see where your line is.

Rifles can be violent too, BUT... rifles are actually a tool to accurately shoot a bullet to a target or animal. Hand guns are for concealing in your person and to use in self defence at short range or to attack another person. Handguns can be used for hunting also but are FAR less accurate and have less range so therfore are not as useful.

Hunting has become necessary in New Zealand due to the overpopulation of exotic animals but in africa it is endangering native species.

So a balance needs to be met.

Handgunds have their place in the police force etc. but should not be as readily available to the general public IMHO.

This is all I am saying.

Guns aren't bad just the mentality behind those that think they are fine to have lying around the home etc.And what "mentality" are you speaking of? This kind of generalization only serves to make you "feel" better in your position. So I ask, since I have hand guns, what mentality do I have? You seem to know

To get back to the origional debate.

If guns are not voilent......

I could imagine Barney or some other childrens charachter flyng in a plane but could you imagine him rocking a Handgun?

I would think everyone would flip out a little if he did wouldn't you?

Is it OK for children to be exposed to guns while shopping for a skateboard?

Not really.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Two, landmark court cases are about to adjudicated. I am one that believes that the future of the US hangs in the balance and its very survival balances on those decisions.

I'm guessing one of those is the SCOTUS case on gun ownership in DC, yes?
What's the other?

And why do see those two cases, whichever they are, having such a profound impact on the future of the US?

I'm not trying to be snarky, and I'm reading your post as being genuinely sincere.

VR/Marg

Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters.
Tibetan Buddhist saying

[rushmc 23]

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Two, landmark court cases are about to adjudicated. I am one that believes that the future of the US hangs in the balance and its very survival balances on those decisions.

I'm guessing one of those is the SCOTUS case on gun ownership in DC, yes?
What's the other?

And why do see those two cases, whichever they are, having such a profound impact on the future of the US?

I'm not trying to be snarky, and I'm reading your post as being genuinely sincere.

VR/Marg

You have one right. While not specifically significant in and of its self, I do see how the SCOTUS views this case as a window in how other rights will be viewed in the near future.

The other case is the one brought by the "We The People" foundation regarding the right of the peoples right to petion for the redress of grievance.

I have been following this one for quite some time. In essence, I believe this one will have the most impact as to how the government responses to its people.

A link for you consideration.
http://givemeliberty.org/RTPLawsuit/InfoCenter.htm

I believe this is about more than just taxes

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kbordson 8]

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So... let me understand here. Rifles are ok. But it's only handguns that are violent? Is that what the above statement means. I'm just trying to see where your line is.

Hunting has become necessary in New Zealand due to the overpopulation
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Handgunds have their place in the police force etc. but should not be as readily available to the general public IMHO.

This is all I am saying.

OK... so which rifles? I'm assuming that your think "assault rifles" are evil so only bolt firearms? But... a Rem model 700 in the right hands can do far more damage than an AK held by someone that doesn't have a clue.

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Guns aren't bad just the mentality behind those that think they are fine to have lying around the home etc.

So we agree.... the problem is the criminal intent (mentality) of those that use them for "violent" purposes. But... yet we don't agree.... cuz although I don't think it's "fine to have lying around," I also feel that the PROBLEM is the criminal intent. The guns lying there UNANIMATED aren't the problem. The don't jump up and shoot themselves. They have to be USED by someone. But... sometimes it's easier to fear an object.

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To get back to the origional(sic) debate.

If guns are not voilent......

I could imagine Barney or some other childrens charachter flyng in a plane but could you imagine him rocking a Handgun?

I would think everyone would flip out a little if he did wouldn't you?

Actually there are cartoons about firearms safety. Eddie the Eagle

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Is it OK for children to be exposed to guns while shopping for a skateboard?

Not really.

In some cultures (if you can try to open your mind) 13 and 14year olds do go shopping for guns with their parents... typically right before Thanksgiving prior to Deer Season. I always used my fathers when I went hunting... but that might be hard to comprehend too.

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So... let me understand here. Rifles are ok. But it's only handguns that are violent? Is that what the above statement means. I'm just trying to see where your line is.

Handguns can be used for hunting also but are FAR less accurate and have less range so therfore are not as useful.

Not necessarily, some hunters enjoy more of a challenge.

Well, you could try using sharp sticks or slingshots if you want a real challenge.

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