Let's ban all private aviaton unless there can be a neccessity shown

[rushmc 23]

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Why go after the small fry when there are much bigger polluters and users of non-renewable resources.

The Defense Department is the largest single consumer of fuel in the United States, using approximately 1.8 percent of the country’s total transportation fuel.

After all there's no real justification for having a military bigger than then next 15 nations combined. Just a waste.

Dam, same topic/shot in two different threads in one night. A new record?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kschilk 0]

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So you don't see the connection with practicing by shooting a target and killing something.

That's like saying....if you play golf, you're just practicing to bludgeon someone to death....or if you own a driver's license, it's purely for the sake of running someone over.

"T'was ever thus."

[kallend 2,150]

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Why go after the small fry when there are much bigger polluters and users of non-renewable resources.

The Defense Department is the largest single consumer of fuel in the United States, using approximately 1.8 percent of the country’s total transportation fuel.

After all there's no real justification for having a military bigger than then next 15 nations combined. Just a waste.

Dam, same topic/shot in two different threads in one night. A new record?

You're easily impressed.

I guess it would also be pretty hard to find a necessity for skydiving, so warped's suggestion seems a bit odd to be posted on a skydiving site.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 23]

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Why go after the small fry when there are much bigger polluters and users of non-renewable resources.

The Defense Department is the largest single consumer of fuel in the United States, using approximately 1.8 percent of the country’s total transportation fuel.

After all there's no real justification for having a military bigger than then next 15 nations combined. Just a waste.

Dam, same topic/shot in two different threads in one night. A new record?

You're easily impressed.

I guess it would also be pretty hard to find a necessity for skydiving, so warped's suggestion seems a bit odd to be posted on a skydiving site.

"Impressed"? You think too highly of yourself

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[ryoder 1,590]

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[Several of my firearms are actually cut-aways revealing the details of the actions (and my favorite is a double sized M1 Carbine with cut away detail).

Double-sized??? Who the heck produced that, and why?
Custom build for Amazon?

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[D22369 0]

Hand guns are stupid and pointless unless you want to maim or kill someone or something ...

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So what is your solution if someone, (or something), is trying to maim or kill you?
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its obvious... he would die

Roy

They say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it.

[rhys 0]

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So you don't see the connection with practicing by shooting a target and killing something.

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That's like saying....if you play golf, you're just practicing to bludgeon someone to death....or if you own a driver's license, it's purely for the sake of running someone over.

so the little targets don't have little pictures of little men carrying little guns so you can see if you shot them in the head or not??

Get a rifle if you want to be accurate. Then go hunting and give your gun a purpose and feed your family at the same time.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[1969912 0]

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....Get a rifle if you want to be accurate......

Check this out:


http://youtube.com/watch?v=EQBM0_-yGrg



edit:

this guy's pretty good

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QEce6SgDQHk&feature=related

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Tg2O0X2BAEc&feature=user

"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
-NickDG

[Royd 0]

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otherwise why do you own one?

Because I like the sound when you spin the cylinder, or rack back the slide.

[kbordson 8]

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So you don't see the connection with practicing by shooting a target and killing something.

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That's like saying....if you play golf, you're just practicing to bludgeon someone to death....or if you own a driver's license, it's purely for the sake of running someone over.

so the little targets don't have little pictures of little men carrying little guns so you can see if you shot them in the head or not??

Hey.... These are official handgun targets. No pictures of little men, some animals, but mostly little rings. Try using those.

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Get a rifle if you want to be accurate. Then go hunting and give your gun a purpose and feed your family at the same time.

So... let me understand here. Rifles are ok. But it's only handguns that are violent? Is that what the above statement means. I'm just trying to see where your line is.

[kschilk 0]

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I might as well leave it there because you guys are obviously going to 'stick to your guns' but this stupid violent mentality is part of the reason US citiziens can be less than welcome in many places around the world.

I have to admit, that part is true. Hitler, Mussolini, Khadaffi, Noriega, Hussein, etc.....none of them welcomed us!??! The French will obviously never forgive us for our violent tendencies, forcing all those nicely dressed Nazis out of their country. We are a buncha' meanies.

"T'was ever thus."

[shropshire 0]

<helping to forceing all those nicely dressed Nazis out of their country. We are a buncha' meanies.

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[kschilk 0]

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helping to forceing all those nicely dressed Nazis out of their country. We are a buncha' meanies.

Yeah, we didn't do it alone. Oddly, though.....we're the only ones gettin' blamed for it. Maybe our guys were the only ones, that carried side arms!? That'd certainly 'splain it!

"T'was ever thus."

[shropshire 0]

We all used to shout at the Germans untill your boys joined in... then it got really nasty, with guns and stuff

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[kbordson 8]

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We all used to shout at the Germans in a nonviolent fashion until your boys joined in... then it got really nasty, with guns and stuff

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But.... wasn't this thread about aviation? Global issues of pollution?

[shropshire 0]

The thread evolved.

Evolution... doesn't alweays go in the direct that you'd desire

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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We all used to shout at the Germans in a nonviolent fashion until your boys joined in... then it got really nasty, with guns and stuff

During the battle of the Bulge, we even taunted them about being big fat sausage eaters.








(P.S : I know , The Bulge was an American battle)

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[kschilk 0]

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We all used to shout at the Germans in a nonviolent fashion until your boys joined in... then it got really nasty, with guns and stuff

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Yeah.....but we'd already shot at everybody else over here....nowhere else to go!

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But.... wasn't this thread about aviation? Global issues of pollution?

Aviation was a big part of the war, it was global and did cause a lot of pollution....it's relevant, well....sorta'.

"T'was ever thus."

[billvon 3,120]

BAN EVERYTHING! It's a really emotional argument, and has no meaning at all when it comes to guns, but gun supporters LOVE it!

To take it to a more practical level -

You seem to be arguing that guns and aircraft have enough similarities that banning one would argue for the banning of the other. Let's take a less extremist position on that and just say that they're similar enough that they should be treated similarly. So here's what we do:

-Require all guns have yearly safety inspections, and that they all meet basic design requirements.

-Require that all gun users have a gun license, pass a biennial gun safety review, and demonstrate proficiency on the sort of gun they want to operate.

-Have currency requirements. No gun usage outside of target ranges unless you have fired at least 3 rounds of that type of gun in the last 90 days.

-Require that all guns have insurance in case they cause damage to someone/something else.

-Require registration of all guns, with a serial number assigned to each one. Registration must be produced upon request.

-Allow operation/transportation of guns only in uncontrolled areas (i.e. areas far from roads, cities etc.) For other areas, you'll need varying levels of clearance, from a simple call to a police station ("I will be carrying a gun from St. Louis to Chicago on Sept 3rd") to explicit permission ("I would like clearance to carry a gun from LA to SFO.")

Would you be OK with that? Or do you prefer the way things are now, with guns having far, far fewer restrictions on them than general aviation?

[rushmc 23]

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BAN EVERYTHING! It's a really emotional argument, and has no meaning at all when it comes to guns, but gun supporters LOVE it!

To take it to a more practical level -

You seem to be arguing that guns and aircraft have enough similarities that banning one would argue for the banning of the other. Let's take a less extremist position on that and just say that they're similar enough that they should be treated similarly. So here's what we do:

-Require all guns have yearly safety inspections, and that they all meet basic design requirements.

-Require that all gun users have a gun license, pass a biennial gun safety review, and demonstrate proficiency on the sort of gun they want to operate.

-Have currency requirements. No gun usage outside of target ranges unless you have fired at least 3 rounds of that type of gun in the last 90 days.

-Require that all guns have insurance in case they cause damage to someone/something else.

-Require registration of all guns, with a serial number assigned to each one. Registration must be produced upon request.

-Allow operation/transportation of guns only in uncontrolled areas (i.e. areas far from roads, cities etc.) For other areas, you'll need varying levels of clearance, from a simple call to a police station ("I will be carrying a gun from St. Louis to Chicago on Sept 3rd") to explicit permission ("I would like clearance to carry a gun from LA to SFO.")

Would you be OK with that? Or do you prefer the way things are now, with guns having far, far fewer restrictions on them than general aviation?

While I know "meanings" can get lost in the written word I, personally, do not think you are even close to his point. I see your response as the "emotional" reply.

This is just my opinion but, I think you missed it completly

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,120]

>I see your response as the "emotional" reply.

Sorry. I'll try to think of a more thoughtful, RushMC-acceptable one liner with a 'crazy' after it.

[rushmc 23]

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>I see your response as the "emotional" reply.

Sorry. I'll try to think of a more thoughtful, RushMC-acceptable one liner with a 'crazy' after it.

Nice, pick out one line from a post, copy it, and then accuse someone of a one liner.

Not THAT is an honest reply. Proud?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,120]

>Not THAT is an honest reply. Proud?

Is there anything at all you can say about the original topic that's not an attack?

[rushmc 23]

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>Not THAT is an honest reply. Proud?

Is there anything at all you can say about the original topic that's not an attack?

Hey sir, I responded to a ridicules reply toward the originator of this thread. YOU are the one with the attack.

I do not see, nor did I intend, my post as an "attack" However, should YOU see it that way, you should expect to be able to take in return what you dish out.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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>Not THAT is an honest reply. Proud?

Is there anything at all you can say about the original topic that's not an attack?

You should not expect anyone to take your "down your nose" responses because you indicate (through your posts) that you feel superior to anyone not agreeing with your perspective or opinions.

I sir, am not anywhere near always right but, I, unlike some others here, I can admit and understand I am human and not mistake proof.


Arrogance is a weakness in my opinion

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln