mikkey 0 #1 December 13, 2007 Distinguished academics and researchers have sent an open letter to the UN Secretary General and the alarmists at the climate change conference in Bali, saying there’s no proof man is heating up the world to hell. Excerpts: Quote It is not possible to stop climate change, a natural phenomenon that has affected humanity through the ages… The United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has issued increasingly alarming conclusions about the climatic influences of human-produced carbon dioxide (CO2), a non-polluting gas that is essential to plant photosynthesis. While we understand the evidence that has led them to view CO2 emissions as harmful, the IPCC’s conclusions are quite inadequate as justification for implementing policies that will markedly diminish future prosperity. In particular, it is not established that it is possible to significantly alter global climate through cuts in human greenhouse gas emissions. On top of which, because attempts to cut emissions will slow development, the current UN approach of CO2 reduction is likely to increase human suffering from future climate change rather than to decrease it. The IPCC Summaries for Policy Makers are the most widely read IPCC reports amongst politicians and non-scientists and are the basis for most climate change policy formulation. Yet these Summaries are prepared by a relatively small core writing team with the final drafts approved line-by-line by government representatives. The great majority of IPCC contributors and reviewers, and the tens of thousands of other scientists who are qualified to comment on these matters, are not involved in the preparation of these documents. The summaries therefore cannot properly be represented as a consensus view among experts. Contrary to the impression left by the IPCC Summary reports: z Recent observations of phenomena such as glacial retreats, sea-level rise and the migration of temperature-sensitive species are not evidence for abnormal climate change, for none of these changes has been shown to lie outside the bounds of known natural variability. z The average rate of warming of 0.1 to 0. 2 degrees Celsius per decade recorded by satellites during the late 20th century falls within known natural rates of warming and cooling over the last 10,000 years. z Leading scientists, including some senior IPCC representatives, acknowledge that today’s computer models cannot predict climate. Consistent with this, and despite computer projections of temperature rises, there has been no net global warming since 1998. That the current temperature plateau follows a late 20th-century period of warming is consistent with the continuation today of natural multi-decadal or millennial climate cycling. In stark contrast to the often repeated assertion that the science of climate change is “settled,” significant new peer-reviewed research has cast even more doubt on the hypothesis of dangerous human-caused global warming. But because IPCC working groups were generally instructed (see http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/docs/wg1_timetable_2006-08-14.pdf) to consider work published only through May, 2005, these important findings are not included in their reports; i.e., the IPCC assessment reports are already materially outdated. The UN climate conference in Bali has been planned to take the world along a path of severe CO2 restrictions, ignoring the lessons apparent from the failure of the Kyoto Protocol, the chaotic nature of the European CO2 trading market, and the ineffectiveness of other costly initiatives to curb greenhouse gas emissions. Balanced cost/benefit analyses provide no support for the introduction of global measures to cap and reduce energy consumption for the purpose of restricting CO2 emissions. Furthermore, it is irrational to apply the “precautionary principle” because many scientists recognize that both climatic coolings and warmings are realistic possibilities over the medium-term future… Attempts to prevent global climate change from occurring are ultimately futile, and constitute a tragic misallocation of resources that would be better spent on humanity’s real and pressing problems. The signatories: Don Aitkin, PhD, Professor, social scientist, retired vice-chancellor and president, University of Canberra, Australia William J.R. Alexander, PhD, Professor Emeritus, Dept. of Civil and Biosystems Engineering, University of Pretoria, South Africa; Member, UN Scientific and Technical Committee on Natural Disasters, 1994-2000 Bjarne Andresen, PhD, physicist, Professor, The Niels Bohr Institute, University of Copenhagen, Denmark Geoff L. Austin, PhD, FNZIP, FRSNZ, Professor, Dept. of Physics, University of Auckland, New Zealand Timothy F. Ball, PhD, environmental consultant, former climatology professor, University of Winnipeg Ernst-Georg Beck, Dipl. Biol., Biologist, Merian-Schule Freiburg, Germany Sonja A. Boehmer-Christiansen, PhD, Reader, Dept. of Geography, Hull University, U.K.; Editor, Energy & Environment journal Chris C. Borel, PhD, remote sensing scientist, U.S. Reid A. Bryson, PhD, DSc, DEngr, UNE P. Global 500 Laureate; Senior Scientist, Center for Climatic Research; Emeritus Professor of Meteorology, of Geography, and of Environmental Studies, University of Wisconsin Dan Carruthers, M.Sc., wildlife biology consultant specializing in animal ecology in Arctic and Subarctic regions, Alberta R.M. Carter, PhD, Professor, Marine Geophysical Laboratory, James Cook University, Townsville, Australia Ian D. Clark, PhD, Professor, isotope hydrogeology and paleoclimatology, Dept. of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa Richard S. Courtney, PhD, climate and atmospheric science consultant, IPCC expert reviewer, U.K. Willem de Lange, PhD, Dept. of Earth and Ocean Sciences, School of Science and Engineering, Waikato University, New Zealand David Deming, PhD (Geophysics), Associate Professor, College of Arts and Sciences, University of Oklahoma Freeman J. Dyson, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Physics, Institute for Advanced Studies, Princeton, N.J. Don J. Easterbrook, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Geology, Western Washington University Lance Endersbee, Emeritus Professor, former dean of Engineering and Pro-Vice Chancellor of Monasy University, Australia Hans Erren, Doctorandus, geophysicist and climate specialist, Sittard, The Netherlands Robert H. Essenhigh, PhD, E.G. Bailey Professor of Energy Conversion, Dept. of Mechanical Engineering, The Ohio State University Christopher Essex, PhD, Professor of Applied Mathematics and Associate Director of the Program in Theoretical Physics, University of Western Ontario David Evans, PhD, mathematician, carbon accountant, computer and electrical engineer and head of 'Science Speak,' Australia William Evans, PhD, editor, American Midland Naturalist; Dept. of Biological Sciences, University of Notre Dame Stewart Franks, PhD, Professor, Hydroclimatologist, University of Newcastle, Australia R. W. Gauldie, PhD, Research Professor, Hawai'i Institute of Geophysics and Planetology, School of Ocean Earth Sciences and Technology, University of Hawai'i at Manoa Lee C. Gerhard, PhD, Senior Scientist Emeritus, University of Kansas; former director and state geologist, Kansas Geological Survey Gerhard Gerlich, Professor for Mathematical and Theoretical Physics, Institut für Mathematische Physik der TU Braunschweig, Germany Albrecht Glatzle, PhD, sc.agr., Agro-Biologist and Gerente ejecutivo, INTTAS, Paraguay Fred Goldberg, PhD, Adjunct Professor, Royal Institute of Technology, Mechanical Engineering, Stockholm, Sweden Vincent Gray, PhD, expert reviewer for the IPCC and author of The Greenhouse Delusion: A Critique of 'Climate Change 2001, Wellington, New Zealand William M. Gray, Professor Emeritus, Dept. of Atmospheric Science, Colorado State University and Head of the Tropical Meteorology Project Howard Hayden, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Physics, University of Connecticut Louis Hissink MSc, M.A.I.G., editor, AIG News, and consulting geologist, Perth, Western Australia Craig D. Idso, PhD, Chairman, Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change, Arizona Sherwood B. Idso, PhD, President, Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change, AZ, USA Andrei Illarionov, PhD, Senior Fellow, Center for Global Liberty and Prosperity; founder and director of the Institute of Economic Analysis Zbigniew Jaworowski, PhD, physicist, Chairman - Scientific Council of Central Laboratory for Radiological Protection, Warsaw, Poland Jon Jenkins, PhD, MD, computer modelling - virology, NSW, Australia Wibjorn Karlen, PhD, Emeritus Professor, Dept. of Physical Geography and Quaternary Geology, Stockholm University, Sweden Olavi Kärner, Ph.D., Research Associate, Dept. of Atmospheric Physics, Institute of Astrophysics and Atmospheric Physics, Toravere, Estonia Joel M. Kauffman, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Chemistry, University of the Sciences in Philadelphia David Kear, PhD, FRSNZ, CMG, geologist, former Director-General of NZ Dept. of Scientific & Industrial Research, New Zealand Madhav Khandekar, PhD, former research scientist, Environment Canada; editor, Climate Research (2003-05); editorial board member, Natural Hazards; IPCC expert reviewer 2007 William Kininmonth M.Sc., M.Admin., former head of Australia's National Climate Centre and a consultant to the World Meteorological organization's Commission for Climatology Jan J.H. Kop, MSc Ceng FICE (Civil Engineer Fellow of the Institution of Civil Engineers), Emeritus Prof. of Public Health Engineering, Technical University Delft, The Netherlands Prof. R.W.J. Kouffeld, Emeritus Professor, Energy Conversion, Delft University of Technology, The Netherlands Salomon Kroonenberg, PhD, Professor, Dept. of Geotechnology, Delft University of Technology, The Netherlands Hans H.J. Labohm, PhD, economist, former advisor to the executive board, Clingendael Institute (The Netherlands Institute of International Relations), The Netherlands The Rt. Hon. Lord Lawson of Blaby, economist; Chairman of the Central Europe Trust; former Chancellor of the Exchequer, U.K. Douglas Leahey, PhD, meteorologist and air-quality consultant, Calgary David R. Legates, PhD, Director, Center for Climatic Research, University of Delaware Marcel Leroux, PhD, Professor Emeritus of Climatology, University of Lyon, France; former director of Laboratory of Climatology, Risks and Environment, CNRS Bryan Leyland, International Climate Science Coalition, consultant and power engineer, Auckland, New Zealand William Lindqvist, PhD, independent consulting geologist, Calif. Richard S. Lindzen, PhD, Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology, Dept. of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences, Massachusetts Institute of Technology A.J. Tom van Loon, PhD, Professor of Geology (Quaternary Geology), Adam Mickiewicz University, Poznan, Poland; former President of the European Association of Science Editors Anthony R. Lupo, PhD, Associate Professor of Atmospheric Science, Dept. of Soil, Environmental, and Atmospheric Science, University of Missouri-Columbia Richard Mackey, PhD, Statistician, Australia Horst Malberg, PhD, Professor for Meteorology and Climatology, Institut für Meteorologie, Berlin, Germany John Maunder, PhD, Climatologist, former President of the Commission for Climatology of the World Meteorological Organization (89-97), New Zealand Alister McFarquhar, PhD, international economy, Downing College, Cambridge, U.K. Ross McKitrick, PhD, Associate Professor, Dept. of Economics, University of Guelph John McLean, PhD, climate data analyst, computer scientist, Australia Owen McShane, PhD, economist, head of the International Climate Science Coalition; Director, Centre for Resource Management Studies, New Zealand Fred Michel, PhD, Director, Institute of Environmental Sciences and Associate Professor of Earth Sciences, Carleton University Frank Milne, PhD, Professor, Dept. of Economics, Queen's University Asmunn Moene, PhD, former head of the Forecasting Centre, Meteorological Institute, Norway Alan Moran, PhD, Energy Economist, Director of the IPA's Deregulation Unit, Australia Nils-Axel Morner, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Paleogeophysics & Geodynamics, Stockholm University, Sweden Lubos Motl, PhD, Physicist, former Harvard string theorist, Charles University, Prague, Czech Republic John Nicol, PhD, Professor Emeritus of Physics, James Cook University, Australia David Nowell, M.Sc., Fellow of the Royal Meteorological Society, former chairman of the NATO Meteorological Group, Ottawa James J. O'Brien, PhD, Professor Emeritus, Meteorology and Oceanography, Florida State University Cliff Ollier, PhD, Professor Emeritus (Geology), Research Fellow, University of Western Australia Garth W. Paltridge, PhD, atmospheric physicist, Emeritus Professor and former Director of the Institute of Antarctic and Southern Ocean Studies, University of Tasmania, Australia R. Timothy Patterson, PhD, Professor, Dept. of Earth Sciences (paleoclimatology), Carleton University Al Pekarek, PhD, Associate Professor of Geology, Earth and Atmospheric Sciences Dept., St. Cloud State University, Minnesota Ian Plimer, PhD, Professor of Geology, School of Earth and Environmental Sciences, University of Adelaide and Emeritus Professor of Earth Sciences, University of Melbourne, Australia Brian Pratt, PhD, Professor of Geology, Sedimentology, University of Saskatchewan Harry N.A. Priem, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Planetary Geology and Isotope Geophysics, Utrecht University; former director of the Netherlands Institute for Isotope Geosciences Alex Robson, PhD, Economics, Australian National University Colonel F.P.M. Rombouts, Branch Chief - Safety, Quality and Environment, Royal Netherland Air Force R.G. Roper, PhD, Professor Emeritus of Atmospheric Sciences, School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences, Georgia Institute of Technology Arthur Rorsch, PhD, Emeritus Professor, Molecular Genetics, Leiden University, The Netherlands Rob Scagel, M.Sc., forest microclimate specialist, principal consultant, Pacific Phytometric Consultants, B.C. Tom V. Segalstad, PhD, (Geology/Geochemistry), Head of the Geological Museum and Associate Professor of Resource and Environmental Geology, University of Oslo, Norway Gary D. Sharp, PhD, Center for Climate/Ocean Resources Study, Salinas, CA S. Fred Singer, PhD, Professor Emeritus of Environmental Sciences, University of Virginia and former director Weather Satellite Service L. Graham Smith, PhD, Associate Professor, Dept. of Geography, University of Western Ontario Roy W. Spencer, PhD, climatologist, Principal Research Scientist, Earth System Science Center, The University of Alabama, Huntsville Peter Stilbs, TeknD, Professor of Physical Chemistry, Research Leader, School of Chemical Science and Engineering, KTH (Royal Institute of Technology), Stockholm, Sweden Hendrik Tennekes, PhD, former director of research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute Dick Thoenes, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Chemical Engineering, Eindhoven University of Technology, The Netherlands Brian G Valentine, PhD, PE (Chem.), Technology Manager - Industrial Energy Efficiency, Adjunct Associate Professor of Engineering Science, University of Maryland at College Park; Dept of Energy, Washington, DC Gerrit J. van der Lingen, PhD, geologist and paleoclimatologist, climate change consultant, Geoscience Research and Investigations, New Zealand Len Walker, PhD, Power Engineering, Australia Edward J. Wegman, PhD, Department of Computational and Data Sciences, George Mason University, Virginia Stephan Wilksch, PhD, Professor for Innovation and Technology Management, Production Management and Logistics, University of Technolgy and Economics Berlin, Germany Boris Winterhalter, PhD, senior marine researcher (retired), Geological Survey of Finland, former professor in marine geology, University of Helsinki, Finland David E. Wojick, PhD, P.Eng., energy consultant, Virginia Raphael Wust, PhD, Lecturer, Marine Geology/Sedimentology, James Cook University, Australia A. Zichichi, PhD, President of the World Federation of Scientists, Geneva, Switzerland; Emeritus Professor of Advanced Physics, University of Bologna, Italy--------------------------------------------------------- When people look like ants - pull. When ants look like people - pray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KelliJ 0 #2 December 13, 2007 But..but...but Al Gore didn't sign it so it! How can you expect a group of scientists to accept anything that isn't endorsed by Al Gore? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
philh 0 #3 December 13, 2007 This letter is an opinion piece. But science doesn't work via opinion, it works via peer reviewed evidence and research. If one can show that the opinion in the letter is backed up by such a process then one might hhave a convincing argument, so far I haven't seen that in this letter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,196 #4 December 13, 2007 QuoteDistinguished academics and researchers ... "Appeal to Authority" - one of the classic logical fallacies.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #5 December 13, 2007 QuoteQuoteDistinguished academics and researchers ... "Appeal to Authority" - one of the classic logical fallacies. like Peer Reviews? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,196 #6 December 13, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteDistinguished academics and researchers ... "Appeal to Authority" - one of the classic logical fallacies. like Peer Reviews? If you say so, but I couldn't find "peer review" in any of the lists.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,154 #7 December 13, 2007 Another Oregon Petition! Cool. It might even be more valid than that one, but I'll reserve judgment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #8 December 13, 2007 QuoteQuoteDistinguished academics and researchers ... "Appeal to Authority" - one of the classic logical fallacies. Rather like discrediting a scientist's work because they're not part of some 'consensus', perhaps?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikkey 0 #9 December 13, 2007 It is an open letter which of course is "an opinion" , but it also refers to scientific reserach and data. Here are the credentials of those behind the letter: AWARDS & POSITIONS President, World Federation of Scientists - ZICHICHI Director of a national research funding agency (The Australian Research Council) – AITKIN Director General of a comprehensive national research agency (The New Zealand DSIR) – KEAR Chairman of the U.N. Scientific Committee on the Effects of Atomic Radiation - JAWOROWSKI Laureate of the UNEP Global 500 environmental program – BRYSON Director of the Australian National Secretariat for the Ocean Drilling Program – CARTER Director of a national weather observing agency (US Satellite Weather Service) – SINGER Director of the Australian National Climate Centre – KININMONTH Director of Research, Royal Dutch Meteorological Service - TENNEKES Director of the French (CNRS) Laboratory of Climatology - LEROUX Director, Institute of Environmental Science (Carlton University) – MICHEL Head of the Forecasting Centre, Norwegian Meteorological Institute - MOENE University Pro-Vice-Chancellor – ENDERSBEE State Geologist (Kansas) – GERHARD Director of Russian Institute for Economic Analysis, Advisor to President Putin – ILLARIANOV UK Chancellor of the Exchequer (Thatcher government) – LORD LAWSON Dep. Secretary of the Treasury (Australia) - MOORE President of the WMO Commission for Climatology - MAUNDER Recipient of the Donner Prize (best book on Canadian Public Policy) - MCKITRICK Recipient of Meisinger and Charney Awards (American Meteorological Society) – LINDZEN Recipient of Mills Medal in Cloud Physics of the Royal Meteorological Society – AUSTIN Recipient of Petr Beckmann Award for “courage and achievement in the defense of scientific truth” – IDSO Recipient of Chapman Medal (Royal Astronomical Society of London) - AKASOFU Recipient of the Max Planck Medal – DYSON Recipient of the Percy Nicholls Award recognizing notable scientific achievement – ESSENHIGH Editor of an environmental journal (Energy & Environment) – BOEHMER-CHRISTIANSEN Editor of a biological journal (American Midland Naturalist) – EVANS Editorial Board member (Climate Research) - KHANDEKAR IPCC expert reviewers – GRAY, COURTNEY Fellow of the American Association for the Advancement of Science – LINDZEN Fellow of the Royal Society of New Zealand – AUSTIN, CARTER Fellow of the Geological Society of America – EASTERBROOK Fellow of the American Geophysical Union – AKOSOFU Fellow of the Royal Statistical Society – WEGMAN Fellow of the Australian Academy of Science - PALTRIDGE Hon. Member of the Royal Geological Society of the Netherlands – VAN LOON ACADEMIC CREDENTIALS Professor of Environmental Sciences - SINGER Professor of Climatology – BALL, MALBERG, LEROUX Professor of Meteorology – GRAY, W., BRYSON, LINDZEN Professor of Atmospheric Science – LUPO, PALTRIDGE, ROPER Professor of Oceanography – O’BRIEN Professor of Quaternary Geology – KARLEN, TOM VAN LOON Professor of Geology – VAN LOON, PLIMER, CARTER, EASTERBROOK, OLLIER, PATTERSON Professor of Sedimentology - PRATT Professor Marine Geology – WINTERHALTER Professor of Isotope Geology – CLARK, PRIEM Professor of Paleogeophysics & Geodynamics - MORNER Professor Chemistry – KAUFFMAN, STILBS Professor of Physics – HAYDEN, ANDRESEN, AKOSOFU, ANDRESEN, AUSTIN, DYSON, ZICHICHI Professor of Mathematical & Theoretical Physics – GERLICH Professor of Applied Mathematics – ESSEX Professor of Statistics - WEGMAN Professor of Economics – MILNE Professor Geotechnology - KROONENBERG Professor for Innovation and Technology Management – WILKSCH Professor of Energy Conversion – ESSENHIGH, KOUFFELD Professor of Engineering – MACALIK, ALEXANDER, ENDERSBEE Professor of Public Health Engineering – KOP Professor of Chemical Engineering - THOENES Distinguished Emeritus Professors – 24 in total Yeah they are all nut cases.... and funny enough the media has shown no interest in this. AGW is now the adopted new religion which all have to follow. I predict that in 10 years time after the climate still has not behaved the way the alarmist have told us the public finally will start to wake up to this. Unfortunately we will have wasted trillions of dollars on useless initiatives and corrupt carbon credit schemes.... and in the mean time China and India will have doubled their pollution...... at our expense....--------------------------------------------------------- When people look like ants - pull. When ants look like people - pray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #10 December 13, 2007 Yes yes, that's very nice.......a bunch of diplomas and certificates and awards on a few walls. I want to see some CREDENTIALs ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,154 #11 December 13, 2007 >Here are the credentials of those behind the letter: I recall a similar listing from the Oregon petition. Turned out most of them were fake or forged. (The names, not the credentials.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #12 December 13, 2007 This issue is unfortunately starting to resemble a trial where each side parades in the experts that agree with their opinion. I wish I understood the science well enough and in enough detail to know who is being political and who is not. I have a lot of wishes lately." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #13 December 13, 2007 Quote ... Unfortunately we will have wasted trillions of dollars [emphasis nerdgirl] on useless initiatives and corrupt carbon credit schemes.... and in the mean time China and India will have doubled their pollution...... at our expense.... This a frequently cited criticism of policy decisions in response to/based on/influenced by anthropengic climate change. Does anyone have an estimate of how much money the US federal govt has spent related to climate change? Someone/group has to have done this. Would appreciate values calculated by all 'sides.' (Unsure how to deconflict from efforts more designed to limit dependency on foreign imports of fossil fuels, which has foreign policy/strategic element.)I'm curious as to how those values compare to money invested on missile defense, which in its latest incarnation exceeds $130B; it's $107B for MDA alone, which does get the largest share. NB: (1) The last POM cycle projected additional $41.8B in costs through FY13; in July 2003, the Congressional Budget Office estimated that spending would have to double, i.e., to ~$20B per year, based on past performance problems and costs to maintain the program. (2) those costs do *not* include sustainment, upkeep, and other costs to the Services after program transitions, & (3) the $130B in costs are actual not projected/calculated/assumed. I would like to see the overall Defense budget rise, perhaps another 50% - 150%+ over what it is now - but not for missile defense; some of my additional reasoning/arguments here. How do the projected costs to address climate change compare? VR/Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,154 #14 December 13, 2007 >I wish I understood the science well enough and in enough detail to >know who is being political and who is not. I think the best way to do that is to stick to peer-reviewed journals like Nature, and reports from fairly neutral government organizations like NASA and NOAA. (i.e. not beholden to either oil companies or political contributions.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crwtom 0 #15 December 14, 2007 QuoteI Distinguished Emeritus Professors – 24 in total Yeah they are all nut cases.... even assuming this is all authentic ... only about half of these are in a scientific discipline that would gives their ranks and titles any relevance. (what does it help that someone is a economics professors -- exactly nothing) Those dozen or so stand opposed to a few thousand climate scientists who take human effects on GW a lot more seriously. Cheers, T ******************************************************************* Fear causes hesitation, and hesitation will cause your worst fears to come true Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #16 December 15, 2007 Quote Quote I Distinguished Emeritus Professors – 24 in total Yeah they are all nut cases.... even assuming this is all authentic ... only about half of these are in a scientific discipline that would gives their ranks and titles any relevance. (what does it help that someone is a economics professors -- exactly nothing) Those dozen or so stand opposed to a few thousand climate scientists who take human effects on GW a lot more seriously. Cheers, T And we all know that only credible "supporters" (aka non-deniers) are on the side of man destroying the planet with accelerated massive temp changesWAF joke"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
philh 0 #17 December 15, 2007 it doesnt matter what their credentials are. Science isnt done this way. These guys have to publish research in peer reviewed journals that back up their position. Show us that and we can take you seriosuly, without it we cant. Sceince isnt ruled by opnions, but by evidence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
