TOTAL COOK COUNTY GUN BAN CLEARS FIRST HURDLE

[warpedskydiver 0]

The William Powers CA apparently allows waterfowling only.

Care to show the rest of us where hunting is allowed in Cook County?

Apparently waterfowling is all emcompassing of hunting in Illinois.

There is no firearms deer hunting, along with no rifle hunting, which rules out small game such as squirrel, furbearers such as muskrat, racoon fox, and coyote.

Nobody important has had their rights and hunting priveledges infringed upon, so why bother to opine?

[kallend 2,150]

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The ISRA authored that article.

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So you should have acknowledged them in the OP.

You wouldn't want this guy on your case for plagiarism, would you?

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[kallend 2,150]

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The William Powers CA apparently allows waterfowling only.



Care to show the rest of us where hunting is allowed in Cook County?

Apparently waterfowling is all emcompassing of hunting in Illinois.

There is no firearms deer hunting, along with no rifle hunting, which rules out small game such as squirrel, furbearers such as muskrat, racoon fox, and coyote.

Nobody important has had their rights and hunting priveledges infringed upon, so why bother to opine?

I wonder who wrote "It is not legal to hunt with a firearm in Cook County." Last time I checked, waterfowling WAS hunting, and guns were used. Has something changed?

What is the law against hunting on private land in Cook County?

Where is your "right" to hunt in Cook Co. defined anyway?

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[kelpdiver 2]

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>If you have a real interest in the subject of fishing with rifles, consider
>starting a new thread.

The image is amusing to me. (I know, this is DEAD SERIOUS GUN BUSINESS and no one can make fun of it.)

Mythbusters covered the subject a few weeks ago. (well, shooting fish in a barrel at least).

[DrewEckhardt 0]

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>The ordinance would certainly ban all handguns . . .

Right, I'm thinking of a fisherman with his 30.06 fishing in a lake somewhere, occasionally shooting attacking freshwater sharks.

That's certainly more sporting than shooting fish in a barrel.

[skydyvr 0]

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You wouldn't want this guy on your case for plagiarism, would you?

Your link seems badly aimed, but thanks for the recognition. I'll keep an eye on this warpedskydiver guy.

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The William Powers CA apparently allows waterfowling only.



Care to show the rest of us where hunting is allowed in Cook County?

Apparently waterfowling is all emcompassing of hunting in Illinois.

There is no firearms deer hunting, along with no rifle hunting, which rules out small game such as squirrel, furbearers such as muskrat, racoon fox, and coyote.

Nobody important has had their rights and hunting priveledges infringed upon, so why bother to opine?

I wonder who wrote "It is not legal to hunt with a firearm in Cook County." Last time I checked, waterfowling WAS hunting, and guns were used. Has something changed?

What is the law against hunting on private land in Cook County?

Where is your "right" to hunt in Cook Co. defined anyway?

I believe this post and this post cover that...wouldn't you agree?

Oh, wait, I'm sorry...that's only when the subject is something that's important to YOU, isn't it?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[champu 1]

I think his problem is with this section. The ordinance says, "all guns must be registered to be legal... oh, btw... here's a whole bunch of rules about what we let you register..."

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No registration certificate shall be issued for any of the following types of firearms:

(a) Sawed-off shotgun, machine gun, or short-barreled rifle;
(b) Firearms other than handguns, owned or possessed by any person in the County prior to the effective date of this Ordinance which are not validly registered prior to the effective date of this Ordinance;
(c) Handguns, except:
(1) Those validly registered to a current owner in the County prior to the effective date of this Ordinance, and which contain each of the following:
(i) A safety mechanism to hinder the use of the handgun by unauthorized users. Such devices shall include, but shall not be limited to, trigger locks, combination handle locks, and solenoid use-limitation devices; and,
(ii) A load indicator device that provides reasonable warning to potential users such that even users unfamiliar with the weapon would be forewarned and would understand the nature of the warning;
(2) Those owned by peace officers who are residents of the County,
(3) Those owned by security personnel,
(4) Those owned by private detective agencies licensed by the State of Illinois;
(d) Firearm muffler or silencer;
(e) Assault weapons, as defined in this Ordinance, unless they are owned by a person who is entitled to own them under Section 54-212 of the Code.

So you'd no longer be able to purchase any handguns. And the handguns you currently own have to light up and play a song about gun safety when loaded.

And (maybe I'm reading it wrong but this is a law and if you can read it wrong, you can enforce it that way) how exactly can you possibly comply with part b? The ordinance says that after effectivity, you will have to register everything. At some date, theoretically, it will become effective. It says that if you have a gun prior to that date, it must be registered before registration is mandatory, or else you won't be allowed to register it.

[popsjumper 2]

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If you were just goofing around, then I apologize for misunderstanding your post. I thought you were playing along with the Kallend troll/hijack attack. Yes, the issue is taken a bit too seriously by some (never by me though)

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Since when is correcting inaccuracies a "troll/hijack attack?

It is not a TOTAL GUN BAN proposal, and hunting with firearms is not illegal in Cook County, in fact there is public land specifically set aside for hunting.

Yes, another Kallend troll/hijack attack.
Somehow I read "TOTAL COOK COUNTY" gun ban...I missed the part about TOTAL GUN BAN (your words)


The proposal affects all of Cook County. It effectively bans guns, with noted exceptions. Troll on, McDuff.

You can never have enough guns around when those trout are spawning.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[pirana 0]

I'm curious in a general sense on what would satisfy responsible gun owners. (And replying to POPS post only because this site still does not have a quick reply option).*

Would everybody agree that it is still too easy for criminals to get guns, and that too many criminals have guns?

If yes, then we obviously still need to do more to prevent/reduce that. Does the NRA, or other lobbying organizations that claim to be representing responsible gun owners, have suggested remedies? As with other social problems/issues, why not look to experts to lead the way towards enacting measures that would at least improve, and possibly resolve the situation?

If the NRA and other such groups simply reject all measures that restrict guns, then shame on them - they would in that case deserve the extremist and draconian measures that will inevitably be passed if the carnage continues. I do not think that is their position however, as it would paint them into a corner politically.

Basically, the NRA and other pro-gun lobbyists had better work with the government to come up with something that works to reduce gun violence before the anti-gun lobby succeeds in getting the government to do things their way. It appears the writing is on the wall, and it will happen eventually.

Am I completely off-base here and is it just a matter of enforcement? Or is there more that could be done to prevent criminal ownership of guns without being a burden on responsible owners?

*NOTE TO SITE OWNER/MANAGER: Get with the times and install a quick reply option. A button centered immediately under the last post in every thread. If there is too much going on with the page, then get rid of the PREVIEW POST and CHECK SPELLING buttons. They do not seem to get much use anyway.

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

[warpedskydiver 0]

Operation Exile comes to mind.

Also enforcing the laws already on the books for crimes, and giving APPROPRIATE sentences may be the answer.

If the offense of murder has a penalty of life in prison, or the death sentenece, why is it still perpetrated?

CRIMINALS DON"T CARE!

[kallend 2,150]

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The William Powers CA apparently allows waterfowling only.



Care to show the rest of us where hunting is allowed in Cook County?

Apparently waterfowling is all emcompassing of hunting in Illinois.

There is no firearms deer hunting, along with no rifle hunting, which rules out small game such as squirrel, furbearers such as muskrat, racoon fox, and coyote.

Nobody important has had their rights and hunting priveledges infringed upon, so why bother to opine?

I wonder who wrote "It is not legal to hunt with a firearm in Cook County." Last time I checked, waterfowling WAS hunting, and guns were used. Has something changed?

What is the law against hunting on private land in Cook County?

Where is your "right" to hunt in Cook Co. defined anyway?

I believe this post and this post cover that...wouldn't you agree?

Oh, wait, I'm sorry...that's only when the subject is something that's important to YOU, isn't it?

Since hunting on private land with the landowner's permission, and some public land IS legal in Illinois and Cook Co., your post makes no sense. No-one has a "right" to hunt on someone else's land.

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[warpedskydiver 0]

RIF, I said priveledge

Ignorance must be bliss.

Firearms hunting is in fact highly discouraged, there is almost no land within the county where it is still legal to hunt.

Proximity to housing, city limits, nature sanctuary, schools, parks, and etc.

No Firearms Deer Hunting is allowed.

No rifle hunting is allowed in Crook County.

Oh and do tell where people are hunting on private land in Crook County.

Must be on one of those farms huh?

Tell me how many farms are in existance in cook county?

Hunting clubs?

Outdoor shooting ranges?

[kallend 2,150]

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If you were just goofing around, then I apologize for misunderstanding your post. I thought you were playing along with the Kallend troll/hijack attack. Yes, the issue is taken a bit too seriously by some (never by me though)

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Since when is correcting inaccuracies a "troll/hijack attack?

It is not a TOTAL GUN BAN proposal, and hunting with firearms is not illegal in Cook County, in fact there is public land specifically set aside for hunting.

Yes, another Kallend troll/hijack attack.
Somehow I read "TOTAL COOK COUNTY" gun ban...I missed the part about TOTAL GUN BAN (your words)


The proposal affects all of Cook County. It effectively bans guns, with noted exceptions. Troll on, McDuff.

You can never have enough guns around when those trout are spawning.

Apparently in your desperate desire to contradict me you missed this bit from the first sentence of the OP:

"Rabid gun-grabbers on the Cook County Board came one step closer last week to instituting a total ban on firearm ownership in the county – except for police and military personnel."

Those reading skills come in handy when you bother to exercise them.

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[warpedskydiver 0]

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If you were just goofing around, then I apologize for misunderstanding your post. I thought you were playing along with the Kallend troll/hijack attack. Yes, the issue is taken a bit too seriously by some (never by me though)

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Since when is correcting inaccuracies a "troll/hijack attack?

It is not a TOTAL GUN BAN proposal, and hunting with firearms is not illegal in Cook County, in fact there is public land specifically set aside for hunting.

Yes, another Kallend troll/hijack attack.
Somehow I read "TOTAL COOK COUNTY" gun ban...I missed the part about TOTAL GUN BAN (your words)


The proposal affects all of Cook County. It effectively bans guns, with noted exceptions. Troll on, McDuff.

You can never have enough guns around when those trout are spawning.

Apparently in your desperate desire to contradict me you missed this bit from the first sentence of the OP:

"Rabid gun-grabbers on the Cook County Board came one step closer last week to instituting a total ban on firearm ownership in the county – except for police and military personnel."

Those reading skills come in handy when you bother to exercise them.

Yep you are right, learn to read John.

[kallend 2,150]

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RIF, I said priveledge

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You wrote:

"Nobody important has had their rights and hunting priveledges (sic) infringed upon, so why bother to opine?"

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[warpedskydiver 0]

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RIF, I said priveledge

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You wrote:

"Nobody important has had their rights and hunting priveledges (sic) infringed upon, so why bother to opine?"

Gun ownership IS a RIGHT, hunting is a PRIVELEDGE.

I said nothing to the contrary.

GO away or at least post something that adheres to the topic.

You are violating the rules of conduct posted at the top of SC.

Speak about the topic, not your opinion of the poster, or twisting wahat has been said to suit your own perception, or lack thereof.

[kallend 2,150]

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If you were just goofing around, then I apologize for misunderstanding your post. I thought you were playing along with the Kallend troll/hijack attack. Yes, the issue is taken a bit too seriously by some (never by me though)

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Since when is correcting inaccuracies a "troll/hijack attack?

It is not a TOTAL GUN BAN proposal, and hunting with firearms is not illegal in Cook County, in fact there is public land specifically set aside for hunting.

Yes, another Kallend troll/hijack attack.
Somehow I read "TOTAL COOK COUNTY" gun ban...I missed the part about TOTAL GUN BAN (your words)


The proposal affects all of Cook County. It effectively bans guns, with noted exceptions. Troll on, McDuff.

You can never have enough guns around when those trout are spawning.

Apparently in your desperate desire to contradict me you missed this bit from the first sentence of the OP:

"Rabid gun-grabbers on the Cook County Board came one step closer last week to instituting a total ban on firearm ownership in the county – except for police and military personnel."

Those reading skills come in handy when you bother to exercise them.

Yep you are right, learn to read John.

Maybe you'll explain the relevance of that to the discussion.

So far in this thread you have posted someone else's document as your own, you have posted inaccuracies about the "totality" of the proposed legislation, you have posted inaccuracies about the legality of hunting in Cook County, and you have claimed privileges that you don't have.

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[pirana 0]

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Oh and do tell where people are hunting on private land in Crook County.

Must be on one of those farms huh?

Tell me how many farms are in existance in cook county?

I think finding a place these days where it is reasonable to hunt in Cook County would be almost as difficult as finding such a place in NYC.

There are probably a few farms left, but they would be the small urban hobby farm variety, with subdivisions across the street.

Reminds me of a couple of places where I grew up. We lived on a farm in Tinley Park IL; I believe it was on Central Ave. The subdivisions started moving in around the early 60's. We were like an island for a couple years, then moved farther out - to Monee. It was just a matter of time (about 20 years) before our 160 acre quarterhorse operation there succombed to the same fate.

We may have a joint solution here. Make Chicago proper a free-fire zone. The resultant population losses should ease the pressure to expand, thus preserving northern Illinois last cornfield beyond the year 2012 (and therefore forestalling then end of the world).

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

[kallend 2,150]

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Oh and do tell where people are hunting on private land in Crook County.

Must be on one of those farms huh?

Tell me how many farms are in existance in cook county?

I think finding a place these days where it is reasonable to hunt in Cook County would be almost as difficult as finding such a place in NYC.

That is correct. However, what warpedskydiver wrote was:

"It is not legal to hunt with a firearm in Cook County."

and that is incorrect.

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[kelpdiver 2]

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I'm curious in a general sense on what would satisfy responsible gun owners. (And replying to POPS post only because this site still does not have a quick reply option).*

Nothing prevents you from editing the subject header, as I have done here. There is no need for a quick reply button.

[billvon 3,120]

Both of you cut it out.

[kallend 2,150]

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You wouldn't want this guy on your case for plagiarism, would you?

Your link seems badly aimed, but thanks for the recognition. I'll keep an eye on this warpedskydiver guy.

Badly aimed? Follow the "reply to" links back and you'll see it deals with plagiarism.

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[pirana 0]

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I'm curious in a general sense on what would satisfy responsible gun owners. (And replying to POPS post only because this site still does not have a quick reply option).*

Nothing prevents you from editing the subject header, as I have done here. There is no need for a quick reply button.

Better to have a single click than to type is all. Taken to an extreme, we could eliminate all buttons and require everybody to work from command prompts.

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

[FreeflyChile 0]

Hehe, a thread about guns includes accusations of bad aim....