Andrewwhyte 1 #76 December 13, 2007 QuoteHuckabee is a silly name. I just thought I'd point that out. Sounds like he's related to Jed Clampett. Wasn't Jed from Arkansas? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #77 December 13, 2007 http://www.lewrockwell.com/reese/reese421.html Charlie Reese says the whole religious obsession (re. the Prez) is bullshit. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #78 December 13, 2007 Yep. Jed Clampit is from Arkansas. :) linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #79 December 13, 2007 According to the LDS Journal of Discourses, xix, p229 George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and the rest of the Founding Fathers are LDS/Mormon. Of course the Constitution was founded upon Christianity. Wasn't one of the reasons they left England was for the freedom of religion? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #80 December 13, 2007 Quote According to the LDS Journal of Discourses, xix, p229 George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and the rest of the Founding Fathers are LDS/Mormon "LDS" are very appropriate initials then. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #81 December 18, 2007 From this weekend’s Wall Street Journal’s Op-Eds: "Would Reagan survive in today's GOP?" “The Republican race looks--at the moment--to be determined primarily by one thing, the question of religious faith. In my lifetime faith has been a significant issue in presidential politics, but not the sole determinative one. Is that changing? If it is, it is not progress. “Christian conservatives have been rising, most recently, for 30 years in national politics, since they helped elect Jimmy Carter. They care about the religious faith of their leaders, and their interest is legitimate. Faith is a shaping force. Lincoln got grilled on it. But there is a sense in Iowa now that faith has been heightened as a determining factor in how to vote, that such things as executive ability, professional history, temperament, character, political philosophy and professed stands are secondary, tertiary. “But they are not, and cannot be. They are central. Things seem to be getting out of kilter, with the emphasis shifting too far. “The great question: Does it make Mr. Huckabee, does it seal his rise, that he has acted in such a manner? Or does it damage him? Republicans on the ground in Iowa and elsewhere will decide that. And in the deciding they may be deciding more than one man's future. They may be deciding if Republicans are becoming a different kind of party. “I wonder if our old friend Ronald Reagan could rise in this party, this environment. Not a regular churchgoer, said he experienced God riding his horse at the ranch, divorced, relaxed about the faiths of his friends and aides, or about its absence. He was a believing Christian, but he spent his adulthood in relativist Hollywood, and had a father who belonged to what some saw, and even see, as the Catholic cult. I'm just not sure he'd be pure enough to make it in this party. I'm not sure he'd be considered good enough.” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #82 December 18, 2007 Quote According to the LDS Journal of Discourses, xix, p229 George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and the rest of the Founding Fathers are LDS/Mormon. Of course the Constitution was founded upon Christianity. Wasn't one of the reasons they left England was for the freedom of religion? Wait a minute! Are you saying the Mormons claim that the founding fathers of the USA were members of a church that did not exist until 1830???"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #83 December 18, 2007 QuoteFrom this weekend’s Wall Street Journal’s Op-Eds: "Would Reagan survive in today's GOP?" “The Republican race looks--at the moment--to be determined primarily by one thing, the question of religious faith. In my lifetime faith has been a significant issue in presidential politics, but not the sole determinative one. Is that changing? If it is, it is not progress. “Christian conservatives have been rising, most recently, for 30 years in national politics, since they helped elect Jimmy Carter. They care about the religious faith of their leaders, and their interest is legitimate. Faith is a shaping force. Lincoln got grilled on it. But there is a sense in Iowa now that faith has been heightened as a determining factor in how to vote, that such things as executive ability, professional history, temperament, character, political philosophy and professed stands are secondary, tertiary. “But they are not, and cannot be. They are central. Things seem to be getting out of kilter, with the emphasis shifting too far. “The great question: Does it make Mr. Huckabee, does it seal his rise, that he has acted in such a manner? Or does it damage him? Republicans on the ground in Iowa and elsewhere will decide that. And in the deciding they may be deciding more than one man's future. They may be deciding if Republicans are becoming a different kind of party. “I wonder if our old friend Ronald Reagan could rise in this party, this environment. Not a regular churchgoer, said he experienced God riding his horse at the ranch, divorced, relaxed about the faiths of his friends and aides, or about its absence. He was a believing Christian, but he spent his adulthood in relativist Hollywood, and had a father who belonged to what some saw, and even see, as the Catholic cult. I'm just not sure he'd be pure enough to make it in this party. I'm not sure he'd be considered good enough.” I have confidence that Reagan would come to the top today. But not because of his religion, because of his conservatism. Nationally, every time it (conservative views) is tried, it works. I see this article as a little paranoid by Noonan, but that is just my read into it."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #84 December 18, 2007 Quote Wait a minute! Are you saying the Mormons claim that the founding fathers of the USA were members of a church that did not exist until 1830??? That's *exactly* what they're claiming, yes. Of course, they also baptized Simon Wiesenthal, too! No matter the guy lived as a Jew, was famous for his dedication to his religion, and died as a Jew, buried in Israel...it wasn't good enough for the Mormons, so they baptized him into their church after he died. Difference being, it isn't LDS canon that Simon Wiesenthal came to them after his death begging to be baptized. Only the founding fathers did so, as referenced in the previous link. Hey! Here's a thought...maybe Simon Wiesenthal is endorsing Mitt Romney! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #85 December 18, 2007 Quote Nationally, every time it (conservative views) is tried, it works. If you define " it works" as running up enormous debts, I suppose it does.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #86 December 18, 2007 QuoteQuote Nationally, every time it (conservative views) is tried, it works. If you define " it works" as running up enormous debts, I suppose it does. To borrow a term, felling snarky today?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #87 December 18, 2007 QuoteNationally, every time it (conservative views) is tried, it works. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you define " it works" as running up enormous debts, I suppose it does. Just wait till we have a theocracy..... they will call all the deficits.. doing GODS work. Just look how well choosing a theocracy has worked out for other countries. What would be the corresponding term in our country for the Ayatollah Khomeni as the head of a government. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #88 December 18, 2007 I really see no difference between a radical christian and a radical muslim running a country. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #89 December 18, 2007 Quote What would be the corresponding term in our country for the Ayatollah Khomeni as the head of a government. Another term for Carter? Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #90 December 18, 2007 QuoteJust wait till we have a theocracy..... You competing with Chuteless for the "Most Insane Predictions" award? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #91 December 18, 2007 Try reading it again ....................... a few times......... and try to keep up ................................. I realize that reading comprehension does not come easily ....................for .............................some. ...............................people. Did ........................................................ I .................................................................................................................put ...................enough...................................... dots........................................................... for ................................................you........................................................ Karl. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #92 December 18, 2007 QuoteDid ........................................................ I .................................................................................................................put ...................enough...................................... dots........................................................... for ................................................you........................................................ Karl. The dots are just fine -- if good for nothing else, they certainly lend a festive atmosphere to the holiday season! Sorry I haven't kept up. My understanding is that according to you, Bush is going to declare Martial Law any time now, then install Dick Cheney as Supreme Holy Dictator for life. Am I on the right track? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #93 December 18, 2007 QuoteSorry I haven't kept up. My understanding is that according to you, Bush is going to declare Martial Law any time now, then install Dick Cheney as Supreme Holy Dictator for life. Am I on the right track? You say that like it's outside the realm of possibility, but isn't that essentially what Putin is currently trying to do with this whole "Prime Minister" business?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #94 December 18, 2007 Nope.. way off the Mark.. as usual..It does not surprise me that to be a REpublican candidate these days you have to be holier than thou.. to get any kind of headway.. I think a hell of a lot of you guys would revel in a Kabalistic government where theology becomes the law of the land... a Talibanization of America.. but with Fundamental Christian Fascists.. instead of the Islamo Fascists of the near and mid East. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #95 December 18, 2007 QuoteYou say that like it's outside the realm of possibility, but isn't that essentially what Putin is currently trying to do with this whole "Prime Minister" business? Yea, I put it outside the realm of possibilities. Despite the Patriot Act, I don't see evidence that George Bush wants to eliminate the current form of government and institute a theocracy or dictatorship. The whole idea is laughable. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #96 December 18, 2007 QuoteI think a hell of a lot of you guys would revel in a Kabalistic government where theology becomes the law of the land... a Talibanization of America.. Interesting. Can you name a single relevant group or individual who espouses such a path for the US? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #97 December 18, 2007 QuoteInteresting. Can you name a single relevant group or individual who espouses such a path for the US? GO listen to the Holy Roller cable stations..... and then get back with us on what is lunacy...mmmkkk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #98 December 18, 2007 QuoteQuoteInteresting. Can you name a single relevant group or individual who espouses such a path for the US? GO listen to the Holy Roller cable stations..... and then get back with us on what is lunacy...mmmkkk You didn't name one. Name a holy roller TV show that states that they want to change our form of government. Not saying it ain't out there, just would appreciate a name. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #99 December 18, 2007 Since YOU are the doubter that this could happen... why dont you go and prove it does not exist...come opn.. PROVE it is impossible... since that is what you stated. The rePUBICans have already taken us a long way down this road.... but have been shown to be hypocrites on so many issues... like Family Values.... they all have families.. but their values seem to keep coming to light and its not what I want my family exposed to Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #100 December 18, 2007 QuoteSince YOU are the doubter that this could happen... why dont you go and prove it does not exist...come opn.. PROVE it is impossible... since that is what you stated. Proving a negative can't be done, so I won't bother trying. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_proof So, the bizzare predictions that come out of you and Chuteless can't be disproven (well, his could be if he'd quit shifting the date out), but the likelyhood of them occuring seems right up there with, say, you proposing marriage to me tomorrow. QuoteThe rePUBICans.... Do you shave down under in protest of these ghastly people? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
