Muenkel 0 #51 December 7, 2007 QuoteSorry dude, I gotta go with Kallend on this one. No need to apologize. You're entitled to your opinion, as I am mine. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #52 December 7, 2007 QuoteLately? Progressing away from bigotry and hatred wrapped in the American flag. What I see is bigotry toward those who love the American flag. Looks like progress to me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #53 December 7, 2007 QuoteQuote I believe the basic human needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, that's all. To be otherwise seems selfish. Great. Believe what you want, and do what you want with what is yours. Just don't take what is mine. Who paid for your college scholarship?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #54 December 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteLately? Progressing away from bigotry and hatred wrapped in the American flag. What I see is bigotry toward those who love the American flag. Looks like progress to me. I find it odd that those who beat their breasts the loudest about being Americans, who wrap themselves in the flag and who wear their patriotism on their sleeves, are also those who complain most about paying their freight as Americans.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #55 December 7, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote redistrbution of wealth. Why is that bad? What's mine is mine. Not yours. But when the majority of wealth is held by a disproportionately small number of people, and that causes considerable suffering to the majority, why not redistribute wealth to some degree? Wouldn't that be the moral thing to do? no....that would be the liberal thing to do. So, you equate liberalism with moral action. Somehow, I don't think that was your intended result. Soooo, socialism is the high road of morality for you? There are countries you can go to to "get yours". I just hope the US does not become more of what you want"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #56 December 7, 2007 this thread has wandered a bit. BOOBIES!!! Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #57 December 7, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Lately? Progressing away from bigotry and hatred wrapped in the American flag. What I see is bigotry toward those who love the American flag. Looks like progress to me. I find it odd that those who beat their breasts the loudest about being Americans, who wrap themselves in the flag and who wear their patriotism on their sleeves, are also those who complain most about paying their freight as Americans. Wow, that is one hell of a stretch even for you good Dr."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #58 December 7, 2007 "No" as in, taking a course of action that would alleviate suffering is not a moral action? Er, ok. so, by alleviating suffering you propose to create a dependant class (from which you can get your votes) by taking from those that earn and work and giving to those who do not. Now that is empowering people"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrophyHusband 0 #59 December 7, 2007 Quote>but from what i can tell they want socialism, nanny states and redistrbution of wealth. Who is "they?" Liberals? Democrats? Progressives? People against child porn? None of those four are equal. Progressive from dictionary.com: 1. favoring or advocating progress, change, improvement, or reform, as opposed to wishing to maintain things as they are, esp. in political matters: a progressive mayor. 2. making progress toward better conditions; employing or advocating more enlightened or liberal ideas, new or experimental methods, etc.: a progressive community. 3. characterized by such progress, or by continuous improvement. Nothing in there about redistribution of wealth. That would be socialism, which is a fifth group, not equal to any of the above four. it doesn't matter that the definitions of liberals, democrats, and progressives are different. what matters is that a huge portion of people on the right side of things percieve them as the same. it doesn't matter what the dictionary says, much of the right and even the center (where i think i'm at) percieve this amalgum of groups to be one big liberal all moving toward socialism. "Your scrotum is quite nice" - Skymama www.kjandmegan.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #60 December 7, 2007 Quote this thread has wandered a bit. BOOBIES!!! a "BIT"?? can we call this the understatement of the day? even though it is early??good point however"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #61 December 7, 2007 Quotedoesn't matter what the dictionary says, much of the right and even the center (where i think i'm at) percieve this amalgum of groups to be one big liberal all moving toward socialism. Well, perhaps this isn't a valid assumption. I consider myself a "small government liberal" in general. (ie, I don't generally favor socialism) Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrophyHusband 0 #62 December 7, 2007 it doesn't matter if the assumption is invalid. "Your scrotum is quite nice" - Skymama www.kjandmegan.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #63 December 7, 2007 QuoteI find it odd that those who beat their breasts the loudest about being Americans, who wrap themselves in the flag and who wear their patriotism on their sleeves, are also those who complain most about paying their freight as Americans. [LOUD APPLAUSE] woo hoo [/LOUD APPLAUSE] and celebrating bigotry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,119 #64 December 7, 2007 >it doesn't matter that the definitions of liberals, democrats, and >progressives are different. what matters is that a huge portion of people >on the right side of things percieve them as the same. it doesn't matter >what the dictionary says, much of the right and even the center (where i >think i'm at) percieve this amalgum of groups to be one big liberal all >moving toward socialism. Well, to the same degree it also doesn't matter that the definitions of conservative, neocon, republican, "compassionate conservative" etc are different. What matters is that many people perceive them to be the same. Much of the left and even many in the center think that these groups are one big group who want endless war, expansion of US imperial power, erosion of the Bill of Rights, outlawing of homosexuality, increased pollution, and higher standards of ethics for everyone but themselves. This is evinced by who won most of the congressional elections last cycle. "But wait!" you say. "I don't want those things!" To some, it doesn't matter. You're a conservative who hates gays and wants a US Empire. Fortunately, some people DO still realize they're not all the same, and that being a republican doesn't make you a neocon (just as being a progressive doesn't make you a socialist.) Hopefully more people will realize this in the future. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrophyHusband 0 #65 December 7, 2007 you're absolutely right. "Your scrotum is quite nice" - Skymama www.kjandmegan.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #66 December 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote I believe the basic human needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, that's all. To be otherwise seems selfish. Great. Believe what you want, and do what you want with what is yours. Just don't take what is mine. Who paid for your college scholarship? The Dept of Defense. I signed a contract pledging military service after college. "Freedom to Contract." See also "Quid pro Quo."Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #67 December 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote I believe the basic human needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, that's all. To be otherwise seems selfish. Great. Believe what you want, and do what you want with what is yours. Just don't take what is mine. Who paid for your college scholarship? The Dept of Defense. I signed a contract pledging military service after college. "Freedom to Contract." See also "Quid pro Quo." Hmmm - I think the DoD is 100% paid for by the taxpayers. Last time I checked that was the case. And you said in an earlier thread that you went to a taxpayer subsidized state university. So you had no qualms about taking a taxpayer subsidized handout but you don't want to pay when your turn comes. You'll make a great lawyer.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #68 December 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote I believe the basic human needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, that's all. To be otherwise seems selfish. Great. Believe what you want, and do what you want with what is yours. Just don't take what is mine. Who paid for your college scholarship? The Dept of Defense. I signed a contract pledging military service after college. "Freedom to Contract." See also "Quid pro Quo." Hmmm - I think the DoD is 100% paid for by the taxpayers. Last time I checked that was the case. And you said in an earlier thread that you went to a taxpayer subsidized state university. So you had no qualms about taking a taxpayer subsidized handout but you don't want to pay when your turn comes. You'll make a great lawyer. Notwithstanding the PA, I pay enough as it is. I will fight further socialism tooth and nail. I'm done responding to anything you say. You do not exist on DZ.com as far as I am concerned from now on. Your coy little word games and smug, holier than thou attitude are not worthy of further comment.Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #69 December 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote I believe the basic human needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, that's all. To be otherwise seems selfish. Great. Believe what you want, and do what you want with what is yours. Just don't take what is mine. Who paid for your college scholarship? The Dept of Defense. I signed a contract pledging military service after college. "Freedom to Contract." See also "Quid pro Quo." Hmmm - I think the DoD is 100% paid for by the taxpayers. Last time I checked that was the case. And you said in an earlier thread that you went to a taxpayer subsidized state university. So you had no qualms about taking a taxpayer subsidized handout but you don't want to pay when your turn comes. You'll make a great lawyer. Notwithstanding the PA, I pay enough as it is. I will fight further socialism tooth and nail. I'm done responding to anything you say. You do not exist on DZ.com as far as I am concerned from now on. Your coy little word games and smug, holier than thou attitude are not worthy of further comment. Don't like it when your double standard is exposed, do you? It's OK for taxpayers to support your education, but when you are called on to do your part it's whine whine whine.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #70 December 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote I believe the basic human needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, that's all. To be otherwise seems selfish. Great. Believe what you want, and do what you want with what is yours. Just don't take what is mine. Who paid for your college scholarship? The Dept of Defense. I signed a contract pledging military service after college. "Freedom to Contract." See also "Quid pro Quo." Hmmm - I think the DoD is 100% paid for by the taxpayers. Last time I checked that was the case. And you said in an earlier thread that you went to a taxpayer subsidized state university. So you had no qualms about taking a taxpayer subsidized handout but you don't want to pay when your turn comes. You'll make a great lawyer. He signed a contract with the Govt. in exchange for his services. How is that a handout? Seems to me he provided services in return for agreed upon compensation. Nice insult to a guy who served his country. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #71 December 7, 2007 Don't like it when your double standard is exposed, do you? It's OK for taxpayers to support your education, but when you are called on to do your part it's whine whine whine. Quote Umm...doesn't he have to work for the military after college? I sure wouldn't call that getting a handout...more like a deferred payment loan with butt-fuck interest! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #72 December 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote I believe the basic human needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, that's all. To be otherwise seems selfish. Great. Believe what you want, and do what you want with what is yours. Just don't take what is mine. Who paid for your college scholarship? The Dept of Defense. I signed a contract pledging military service after college. "Freedom to Contract." See also "Quid pro Quo." Hmmm - I think the DoD is 100% paid for by the taxpayers. Last time I checked that was the case. And you said in an earlier thread that you went to a taxpayer subsidized state university. So you had no qualms about taking a taxpayer subsidized handout but you don't want to pay when your turn comes. You'll make a great lawyer. He signed a contract with the Govt. in exchange for his services. How is that a handout? Seems to me he provided services in return for agreed upon compensation. Nice insult to a guy who served his country. Did he get paid any less than a 2nd Lt. that paid his own way through school? How about his taxpayer funded state university?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Richards 0 #73 December 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteredistrbution of wealth. Why is that bad? It's not entirely bad if kept in check. The problem is that while redistribution of wealth starts with ensuring that the truly unfortunate do not starve and that poor kids don't die on the steps of a hospital it ends up spiraling out of control. The extreme left feel the need to penalize the successfull so that they are only marginally better off than those who sit on their asses. Why should anyone really bust thier ass if they can be just as well off (or in some cases better off) sitting around and doing nothing. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #74 December 8, 2007 Quote The extreme left feel the need to penalize the successfull so that they are only marginally better off than those who sit on their asses. Why should anyone really bust thier ass if they can be just as well off (or in some cases better off) sitting around and doing nothing. Given the disparity between rich and poor in north America, 2001 data: top 1% own 33.4% of the wealth next 19% own 51.0% bottom 80% own 15.5% your comment is just absurd.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #75 December 8, 2007 QuoteDid he get paid any less than a 2nd Lt. that paid his own way through school? How about his taxpayer funded state university? What a B.S. argument, especially coming from someone who exists on a taxpayer (read welfare) funded University. I don't know all the details of his education funding but, but why wouldn't a 2nd Lt. take advantage of what was promised by the Govt. for his pay grade? He simply took advantage of what was offered in exchange for his services and got a good education as a result which then put him into a higher income and tax bracket. I can't believe you have the nerve to call that a handout. . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next Page 3 of 5 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
kallend 2,150 #72 December 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote I believe the basic human needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, that's all. To be otherwise seems selfish. Great. Believe what you want, and do what you want with what is yours. Just don't take what is mine. Who paid for your college scholarship? The Dept of Defense. I signed a contract pledging military service after college. "Freedom to Contract." See also "Quid pro Quo." Hmmm - I think the DoD is 100% paid for by the taxpayers. Last time I checked that was the case. And you said in an earlier thread that you went to a taxpayer subsidized state university. So you had no qualms about taking a taxpayer subsidized handout but you don't want to pay when your turn comes. You'll make a great lawyer. He signed a contract with the Govt. in exchange for his services. How is that a handout? Seems to me he provided services in return for agreed upon compensation. Nice insult to a guy who served his country. Did he get paid any less than a 2nd Lt. that paid his own way through school? How about his taxpayer funded state university?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richards 0 #73 December 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteredistrbution of wealth. Why is that bad? It's not entirely bad if kept in check. The problem is that while redistribution of wealth starts with ensuring that the truly unfortunate do not starve and that poor kids don't die on the steps of a hospital it ends up spiraling out of control. The extreme left feel the need to penalize the successfull so that they are only marginally better off than those who sit on their asses. Why should anyone really bust thier ass if they can be just as well off (or in some cases better off) sitting around and doing nothing. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #74 December 8, 2007 Quote The extreme left feel the need to penalize the successfull so that they are only marginally better off than those who sit on their asses. Why should anyone really bust thier ass if they can be just as well off (or in some cases better off) sitting around and doing nothing. Given the disparity between rich and poor in north America, 2001 data: top 1% own 33.4% of the wealth next 19% own 51.0% bottom 80% own 15.5% your comment is just absurd.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #75 December 8, 2007 QuoteDid he get paid any less than a 2nd Lt. that paid his own way through school? How about his taxpayer funded state university? What a B.S. argument, especially coming from someone who exists on a taxpayer (read welfare) funded University. I don't know all the details of his education funding but, but why wouldn't a 2nd Lt. take advantage of what was promised by the Govt. for his pay grade? He simply took advantage of what was offered in exchange for his services and got a good education as a result which then put him into a higher income and tax bracket. I can't believe you have the nerve to call that a handout. . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next Page 3 of 5 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
kallend 2,150 #74 December 8, 2007 Quote The extreme left feel the need to penalize the successfull so that they are only marginally better off than those who sit on their asses. Why should anyone really bust thier ass if they can be just as well off (or in some cases better off) sitting around and doing nothing. Given the disparity between rich and poor in north America, 2001 data: top 1% own 33.4% of the wealth next 19% own 51.0% bottom 80% own 15.5% your comment is just absurd.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #75 December 8, 2007 QuoteDid he get paid any less than a 2nd Lt. that paid his own way through school? How about his taxpayer funded state university? What a B.S. argument, especially coming from someone who exists on a taxpayer (read welfare) funded University. I don't know all the details of his education funding but, but why wouldn't a 2nd Lt. take advantage of what was promised by the Govt. for his pay grade? He simply took advantage of what was offered in exchange for his services and got a good education as a result which then put him into a higher income and tax bracket. I can't believe you have the nerve to call that a handout. . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
