Mitt Romney

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You know how to keep a Mormon from drinking all your beer?

Invite a second Mormon over.

It's just the same as how to keep Amish from watching porn on your TV from your Satellite dish.

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The LDS Church makes very few political stands, and it is against church policy to use the buildings, the contact lists, or any of their resources for political purposes. There are Democrat Mormons and Republicans, it doesn't make you any less of a believer.

This is not quite accurate; it was only very recently (less than a year ago) that the Deseret News published a story quoting leadership of the LDS faith saying "it is acceptable to be a Democrat and still be LDS."
There are fewer Dem's in Utah than any other state. Yes, you can be Mormon and be a Democrat; the LDS church has recently given permission to Mormons to be Dems. Prior to permission, Mormon Dems were 'in the closet.'

Why Romney's speech is very important to him winning the election?
Unlike Kennedy's Catholicism, members of the LDS faith swear blinding allegience to the President of the Corporation of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints and to the leadership of the Prophet of the church. No matter how one cuts it up, if Romney is true to his temple ordinances and coventants, he must put the desires of the Prophet ahead of anything else. He has no choice. Romney wins the election, he's "called of man." Prophet trumps that, because he's "called of God."

Catholics haven't baptized former presidents of the USA into their church after they were dead, either. Mormons believe that unless one is Mormon, he cannot enter into God's kingdom.
Wilford Woodruff wrote an accounting of a "personal visitation from George Washington," said visitation having taken place in St. George, Utah on April 10, 1898, in which visitation Washington, and later Thomas Jefferson "begged Woodruff to do the various temple ordinances that would assure their entry into the Kingdom of God."
Later, according to Woodruff, "All signers of the Declaration of Independence made the same request, "coming to him in person, within the halls of the St. George temple."

A BYU survey a few years back demonstrated that:
)98% of the members of the church believe that Joseph Smith (convicted pedophile, polygamist, charlatan) is a true prophet of God.

)96% believe that the LDS faith is the only true church on earth, and the only church truthfully guided by God.

)88% believe that they "place obedience to church authority over personal preferences."

Historical scholars, including the LDS members of the Sunstone, predominantly agree that the LDS faith is intent on taking all powers of mankind upon themselves and the president/prophet of the church being ruler over the world (Joseph Smith prophesied as much).
Armand Mauss, former Mormon and professor at Washington State University wrote that he was "exceptionally bothered by the LDS leadership pronouncing from the pulpit that when the prophet speaks, the thinking has been done for you." In other words, never question what the prophet says.
Is this a proper concept for a potential presidential candidate??
Mormonism does not accept pluralism; thinking outside the box is not permitted, period.

It's absolute bullshit to suggest the "LDS Church takes very few political stands." Off hand and at 4:00 a.m. I can think of at least 30 instances, the biggest being that the LDS Church single-handedly defeated ERA.
Additionally, the single largest owner of media outlets in the world, is the LDS faith. The single largest group of privately-owned satellites is the LDS faith. The largest missionary force in the world? LDS faith.

Although this sounds like an anti-Mormon rant, bear in mind that the subject is Romney. He is part of an LDS prophecy that a Mormon must be president of the USA by the end of the last century.
Orrin Hatch tried, Romney's father tried, Robert Bennett tried, Gordon Smith is grooming as a hopeful, and here is Romney, very much poised to walk with it.

For me, the sole reason (aside from the fact that I worked at two arm lengths from Romney during the Olympics and think he's a terrible human being), that I would not vote for him, is that he is a Mormon. I've never heard of a Catholic, Christian, Muslim, Bhuddist, Druid, Hindu or other religion prophesying that their religion demanded the president of the US be of their faith, and that their "faith would save the world from utter chaos." Only Mormonism makes that claim, and it's a scary thought that a half-senile old man like Gordon B. Hinkley would be running this country by proxy.

One can't accurately compare the Romney-Mormon issue to Kennedy-Catholic issue.
Catholics do not believe that the Pope is a living, breathing prophet of god, they do not believe that the pope receives physical, visual visitations from God or Christ on a daily basis, and they do not believe that the New Zion will be built in the USA after a nuclear holocaust.
Conversely, the LDS faith believes that their prophet is a living prophet who has physically touched the hand of Christ, has personally met/walked with God in a physical (not meta-physical) sense, who speaks on behalf of God.

No religion, including Islam, offers up so tremendous a power to one man, and one individual who is running for president, takes a verbal oath at least once a month, to uphold, sustain, and obey the Prophet of the LDS faith.

Doesn't that scare the hell out of anyone capable of logical thought?

Do you still feel the same way?

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What did he do as governor to raise your suspicions? isn't that the real question.

hasn't yet, but I haven't paid attention to him either. If he makes it to February, then I'll think about him more. I suspect his platform alone makes him untenable to me. But given the LDS's involvement in CA in the past, I view him with suspicion.

Disregarding the religion, the misogyny, the bans on most drugs, I think the Mormon Church serves the role of community extremely well. Unfortunately, they then move on to force many of the beliefs on the rest of us, seen in the non existence of good beer in Utah, in the anti gay legislation, etc. I believe it should no longer have tax exemption.

We have good beer in Utah, you just have to go to Wyoming or Nevada or Idaho to get it.

Onward and Upward!

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The LDS Church makes very few political stands, and it is against church policy to use the buildings, the contact lists, or any of their resources for political purposes. There are Democrat Mormons and Republicans, it doesn't make you any less of a believer.

This is not quite accurate; it was only very recently (less than a year ago) that the Deseret News published a story quoting leadership of the LDS faith saying "it is acceptable to be a Democrat and still be LDS."
There are fewer Dem's in Utah than any other state. Yes, you can be Mormon and be a Democrat; the LDS church has recently given permission to Mormons to be Dems. Prior to permission, Mormon Dems were 'in the closet.'

Why Romney's speech is very important to him winning the election?
Unlike Kennedy's Catholicism, members of the LDS faith swear blinding allegience to the President of the Corporation of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints and to the leadership of the Prophet of the church. No matter how one cuts it up, if Romney is true to his temple ordinances and coventants, he must put the desires of the Prophet ahead of anything else. He has no choice. Romney wins the election, he's "called of man." Prophet trumps that, because he's "called of God."

Catholics haven't baptized former presidents of the USA into their church after they were dead, either. Mormons believe that unless one is Mormon, he cannot enter into God's kingdom.
Wilford Woodruff wrote an accounting of a "personal visitation from George Washington," said visitation having taken place in St. George, Utah on April 10, 1898, in which visitation Washington, and later Thomas Jefferson "begged Woodruff to do the various temple ordinances that would assure their entry into the Kingdom of God."
Later, according to Woodruff, "All signers of the Declaration of Independence made the same request, "coming to him in person, within the halls of the St. George temple."

A BYU survey a few years back demonstrated that:
)98% of the members of the church believe that Joseph Smith (convicted pedophile, polygamist, charlatan) is a true prophet of God.

)96% believe that the LDS faith is the only true church on earth, and the only church truthfully guided by God.

)88% believe that they "place obedience to church authority over personal preferences."

Historical scholars, including the LDS members of the Sunstone, predominantly agree that the LDS faith is intent on taking all powers of mankind upon themselves and the president/prophet of the church being ruler over the world (Joseph Smith prophesied as much).
Armand Mauss, former Mormon and professor at Washington State University wrote that he was "exceptionally bothered by the LDS leadership pronouncing from the pulpit that when the prophet speaks, the thinking has been done for you." In other words, never question what the prophet says.
Is this a proper concept for a potential presidential candidate??
Mormonism does not accept pluralism; thinking outside the box is not permitted, period.

It's absolute bullshit to suggest the "LDS Church takes very few political stands." Off hand and at 4:00 a.m. I can think of at least 30 instances, the biggest being that the LDS Church single-handedly defeated ERA.
Additionally, the single largest owner of media outlets in the world, is the LDS faith. The single largest group of privately-owned satellites is the LDS faith. The largest missionary force in the world? LDS faith.

Although this sounds like an anti-Mormon rant, bear in mind that the subject is Romney. He is part of an LDS prophecy that a Mormon must be president of the USA by the end of the last century.
Orrin Hatch tried, Romney's father tried, Robert Bennett tried, Gordon Smith is grooming as a hopeful, and here is Romney, very much poised to walk with it.

For me, the sole reason (aside from the fact that I worked at two arm lengths from Romney during the Olympics and think he's a terrible human being), that I would not vote for him, is that he is a Mormon. I've never heard of a Catholic, Christian, Muslim, Bhuddist, Druid, Hindu or other religion prophesying that their religion demanded the president of the US be of their faith, and that their "faith would save the world from utter chaos." Only Mormonism makes that claim, and it's a scary thought that a half-senile old man like Gordon B. Hinkley would be running this country by proxy.

One can't accurately compare the Romney-Mormon issue to Kennedy-Catholic issue.
Catholics do not believe that the Pope is a living, breathing prophet of god, they do not believe that the pope receives physical, visual visitations from God or Christ on a daily basis, and they do not believe that the New Zion will be built in the USA after a nuclear holocaust.
Conversely, the LDS faith believes that their prophet is a living prophet who has physically touched the hand of Christ, has personally met/walked with God in a physical (not meta-physical) sense, who speaks on behalf of God.

No religion, including Islam, offers up so tremendous a power to one man, and one individual who is running for president, takes a verbal oath at least once a month, to uphold, sustain, and obey the Prophet of the LDS faith.

Doesn't that scare the hell out of anyone capable of logical thought?

You know Spot I don't agree with you on just about anything, but this post is exactly how I see things. I could not have said it better myself.

I live in Utah and the LDS empire already controls my state government. I certainly do no want them to take control of my country.

If he is true to his faith then he must take his marching orders from the temple. If not he is a phony and a liar. Either way he has no business being the leader of the free world.

Onward and Upward!

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Mormon religion issues aside - since you had personal contact or interaction with him, can you please give some specific examples of how/why you came to the conclusion that he's an awful human being? Thanks.