quade 4 #26 December 5, 2007 QuoteMany religions have a deity, but no hell, or anti christ. Understood. Quote Catholics don't have hell. I believe you're completely wrong about this!quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #27 December 5, 2007 QuoteQuoteCatholics don't have hell. They do too. They have: Heaven, Hell, Purgatory, and Limbo Can't get much lower than Limbo.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #28 December 5, 2007 QuoteQuote82 percent of those surveyed believed in God... 42 percent of those surveyed said they believed in Darwin's theory... Those two numbers mean that some of the people who believe in god, also believe in the theory of evolution. Explain that! It's quite simple. The majority of theists believe that God created heaven and earth, and Darwin's theory of the origin of species illuminates some of God's methods. It does not address however, the moment of creation, nor does it address the reason God created it all. Fundamentalist Protestant faiths teach that the Bible is word for word true; most theists are not Fundamentalist. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #29 December 5, 2007 >Those two numbers mean that some of the people who believe in >god, also believe in the theory of evolution. >Explain that! Why does that require an explanation? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #30 December 5, 2007 QuoteThe survey, which has a sampling error of plus or minus two percent, found that 35 percent of the respondents believed in UFOs This should be common doctrine amongst all athiests and evolutionists. We came about by happenchance so there should be others out there looking at us. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #31 December 5, 2007 QuoteQuoteThe survey, which has a sampling error of plus or minus two percent, found that 35 percent of the respondents believed in UFOs This should be common doctrine amongst all athiests and evolutionists. We came about by happenchance so there should be others out there looking at us. Not really. Believing in alien life on other planets out there somewhere - yes, I think it is very likely. However, "out there somewhere" is an unimaginably massive place. So, believing in UFOs/ alien life actually visiting us here - no, not at all.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #32 December 5, 2007 Quote>Those two numbers mean that some of the people who believe in >god, also believe in the theory of evolution. >Explain that! Why does that require an explanation? I dunno bill, I think it actually requires quite a leap to reconcile the two. I know you've stated your belief it's possible and while I think I might be convinced by a very good argument that it may be, I just don't see the NEED for a God if a person fully accepts most (or even a small part) of what we know about the origins of the universe through science. I think that once a person opens up his mind to how certain things work in the universe, it pretty much negates anything even vaguely associated with any religion as we know them today.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #33 December 5, 2007 Speedracer, You kind of did me a disservice by only quoting my first paragraph, which resulted in taking my entire thought out of context. You posted: QuoteYou're probably more in the minority with that way of thinking. I think it is probably more common for those that believe in God, reject evolution as it is defined today. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- hmmm. as I've posted before, Catholics & many mainstream protestants have no problem with the theory of evolution. --- It's weird: I keep hearing about these "polls" that over half of Americans reject the theory of evolution. My question is: Where are they finding these people?? Most people that I come into contact with, Christians and non-Christians alike, shake their head in disbelief at the Creationists. My full statement was: "You're probably more in the minority with that way of thinking. I think it is probably more common for those that believe in God, reject evolution as it is defined today". "This is just a thought on my part. I personally don't have an opinion as to whether evolution or creation in its purest sense happened. I personally believe God had a hand in it. How He did it, I don't know; which I guess is my whole point". _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #34 December 6, 2007 Quote I dunno bill, I think it actually requires quite a leap to reconcile the two. I know you've stated your belief it's possible and while I think I might be convinced by a very good argument that it may be, I just don't see the NEED for a God if a person fully accepts most (or even a small part) of what we know about the origins of the universe through science. I think that once a person opens up his mind to how certain things work in the universe, it pretty much negates anything even vaguely associated with any religion as we know them today. God does not play dice with the universe." --Albert Einstein Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #35 December 6, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteThe survey, which has a sampling error of plus or minus two percent, found that 35 percent of the respondents believed in UFOs This should be common doctrine amongst all athiests and evolutionists. We came about by happenchance so there should be others out there looking at us. Not really. Believing in alien life on other planets out there somewhere - yes, I think it is very likely. However, "out there somewhere" is an unimaginably massive place. So, believing in UFOs/ alien life actually visiting us here - no, not at all. Why? The history of mankind in its current form is perhaps 10,000 years, and with a few exceptions it was pretty primitive until the last couple thousand, with the industrial revolution only 300 years old. Yet the universe is over 5B years old. Is it a stretch to believe that no other society started a million years ahead of us? You have to believe that the speed of light issue is absolute, and there are no other tricks to speeding up travel. That seems to be a faith belief, only true by our current understanding of the universe. I personally prefer to think that someone is flying about the galaxy getting laid by blue haired aliens. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #36 December 6, 2007 Quote"God does not play dice with the universe." --Albert Einstein Also known as "Einstein's Cop Out". But you might wanna do some real research on what he actually meant by that. You can start here.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #37 December 6, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Catholics don't have hell. They do too. They have: Heaven, Hell, Purgatory, and Limbo Can't get much lower than Limbo. Now that's funny y'all! I don't care who you are! How low can you go. How low can you go. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #38 December 6, 2007 QuoteQuote"God does not play dice with the universe." --Albert Einstein Also known as "Einstein's Cop Out". But you might wanna do some real research on what he actually meant by that. You can start here. not necessary - if one of the best known physicists still believed in God, I don't see your point. Some people seem to live in both worlds quite easily. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SivaGanesha 2 #39 December 6, 2007 Quote Nope. I don't know about Pope Benedict, but Pope John Paul II certainly had no problem with the theory of evolution. He had said so on more than one occasion... Hmmm...doesn't the theory of evolution teach us that only those who successfully reproduce are able to pass their genes on to the next generation? By that logic, shouldn't the genes for becoming a Roman Catholic priest have died out long ago? "It's hard to have fun at 4-way unless your whole team gets down to the ground safely to do it again!"--Northern California Skydiving League re USPA Safety Day, March 8, 2014 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #40 December 6, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote"God does not play dice with the universe." --Albert Einstein Also known as "Einstein's Cop Out". But you might wanna do some real research on what he actually meant by that. You can start here. not necessary - if one of the best known physicists still believed in God, I don't see your point. Some people seem to live in both worlds quite easily. It appears as if it IS necessary because the actual statement has nothing to do with any sort of belief in god. Again, read the link.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SivaGanesha 2 #41 December 6, 2007 Quote To Muenkel; "I think it is probably more common for those that believe in God, reject evolution as it is defined today." That is a very US centric view. In every other 1st world country on the planet people who believe in literal creation are a tiny minority who are regarded as being rather strange people. There are some pretty serious holy rollers in Canada I must say. "It's hard to have fun at 4-way unless your whole team gets down to the ground safely to do it again!"--Northern California Skydiving League re USPA Safety Day, March 8, 2014 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #42 December 6, 2007 Quote God does not play dice with the universe." --Albert Einstein "Not only does God play dice, but he sometimes confuses us by throwing them where they can't be seen. "All the evidence points to him being an invetrate gambler, who throws the dice on every occasion." — Stephen Hawking Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #43 December 6, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote"God does not play dice with the universe." --Albert Einstein Also known as "Einstein's Cop Out". But you might wanna do some real research on what he actually meant by that. You can start here. not necessary - if one of the best known physicists still believed in God, I don't see your point. Some people seem to live in both worlds quite easily. "I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #44 December 6, 2007 Quote There are some pretty serious holy rollers in Canada I must say. They are a growing affliction to be sure. The big irony is that the only province that is really inundated with them (Alberta) also has the continent's biggest dinosaur museum. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #45 December 6, 2007 Quote>Those two numbers mean that some of the people who believe in >god, also believe in the theory of evolution. >Explain that! Why does that require an explanation? If someone believes that mankind began when god created Adam and Eve, then that's in conflict with the idea that mankind evolved from the apes. You can't have both at the same time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #46 December 6, 2007 QuoteQuote>Those two numbers mean that some of the people who believe in >god, also believe in the theory of evolution. >Explain that! Why does that require an explanation? If someone believes that mankind began when god created Adam and Eve, then that's in conflict with the idea that mankind evolved from the apes. You can't have both at the same time. Surely you realize that there are plenty of people who believe in god without believing the Adam and Eve story. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #47 December 6, 2007 QuoteQuote>Those two numbers mean that some of the people who believe in >god, also believe in the theory of evolution. >Explain that! Why does that require an explanation? If someone believes that mankind began when god created Adam and Eve, then that's in conflict with the idea that mankind evolved from the apes. You can't have both at the same time. Did you read my post John? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #48 December 6, 2007 Quote"I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it." So the bounds of your being are defined by the limitations of manmade science? Do you have an imagination? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #49 December 6, 2007 >Do you have an imagination? I think it's safe to say that Einstein did indeed have an imagination. He was smart enough to not substitute his imagination for science, though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #50 December 6, 2007 Quote So the bounds of your being are defined by the limitations of manmade science? Do you have an imagination? Are you saying God is a figment of your imagination? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
