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19 bullets is just a little mistake though



Who said little, it was a huge mistake with many factors. A person died, but 12 people understood that is was made without malice. I could go into some of the factors, but many here aren't interested in anything factual.



For instance?
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The only us v them click I see in this case is a handful of people in SC, once again I'll point out that none of us know all the details, and being so quick to assume that just because a taser came out the cops were abusing thir authority is BS. Of the tens of thousands of cops in this country you here 10 stories in the media about people being tasered and instantly all cops are evil because 10 of them made a mistake, whether intentionally or not.



I hold them to a higher standard than I do the public... since they are there to PROTECT and SERVE.....and it seems that recently we have just a few too many rotten apples in the barrel with those who do want to make a difference.

Yes I have seen men and women in VERY stressfull circumstances and a wrong decision meant the end of a carreer in some instances.

If the police officers cant HACK it.. they need to find employment where the stress does not get to them so easily... and a good starting place... would be a very thorough screening for psycological disorders for those who are not suited to the job.

They watched us fairly closely to ensure we were still instructors... and not just guards or interogators etc....we had a job to do... and if we could not instruct.. without going over the edge and becoming a sadistic bastage... who wanted to just punish the "criminals".. then we were no longer needed.
I would hold the police to the same standard>:(>:(

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Sympathic fire, angles of window reflection that muzzle flashes look like return fire. The list goes on, this is case study in how not to do something, but again it's a question of malice.

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how are we supposed to have a civilized society if people aren't expected to cooperate with police?



Is that really ... really (?) the directionality that you want to advocate for inclusion in 'civilized society'?

How about due process, protection from unreasonable search & seizure, rule of law, security of person, and prudent and discriminate use of force (lethal or non-lethal/less-than-lethal)?

Law enforcement officers are given privileges *and* responsibilities through and from the law.

Idealistically or notionally, one might argue that the 'most' civilized society would be one in which LEO did not need to be armed in any way. Pragmaticallly, that's not where we humans are on the civilization spectrum.

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how are we supposed to have a civilized society if people aren't expected to cooperate with police?



Is that really ... really (?) the directionality that you want to advocate for inclusion in 'civilized society'?

How about due process, protection from unreasonable search & seizure, rule of law, security of person, and prudent and discriminate use of force (lethal or non-lethal/less-than-lethal)?

Law enforcement officers are given privileges *and* responsibilities through and from the law.

Idealistically or notionally, one might argue that the 'most' civilized society would be one in which LEO did not need to be armed in any way. Pragmaticallly, that's not where we humans are on the civilization spectrum.

VR/Marg



I have yet to see ANY justification for tasering a female who not charged or even suspected of anything, who simply wishes to leave a police station after entering voluntarily to ask for help. Tasers are now well known to be capable of deadly results. Is anyone SERIOUSLY going to claim that the use of a potentially lethal weapon was the only way this woman could be made to obey the officer?

If tasering were to be administered to convicted felons, it would be immediately outlawed as cruel and unusual punishment, yet the LEO community seems quite taser happy with ordinary citizens.
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how are we supposed to have a civilized society if people aren't expected to cooperate with police?



Is that really ... really (?) the directionality that you want to advocate for inclusion in 'civilized society'?

How about due process, protection from unreasonable search & seizure, rule of law, security of person, and prudent and discriminate use of force (lethal or non-lethal/less-than-lethal)?

Law enforcement officers are given privileges *and* responsibilities through and from the law.

Idealistically or notionally, one might argue that the 'most' civilized society would be one in which LEO did not need to be armed in any way. Pragmaticallly, that's not where we humans are on the civilization spectrum.

VR/Marg



I have yet to see ANY justification for tasering a female who not charged or even suspected of anything, who simply wishes to leave a police station after entering voluntarily to ask for help.



She was attempting to commit child abandonment from what I can ascertain from the limited info the original source gives...Is that not a crime?
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uh... what?



Kinda see your point here,,, but in looking at several different sites, they say the same thing (i.e., http://securityplanet.com/info.php?cat=stun) From your profile; you be engineer... I be not. So, is it marketing language?
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STUN GUNS OPERATE USING:
1. Static Charge, which uses an electrical watt with static to disrupt localized muscles groups.



uh... what?



Do a google search for stun gun vs. taser and you'll see right where he got that bullshit..... uh... marketing language.

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I have yet to see ANY justification for tasering a female who not charged or even suspected of anything, who simply wishes to leave a police station after entering voluntarily to ask for help.



She was attempting to commit child abandonment from what I can ascertain from the limited info the original source gives...Is that not a crime?




Negative.

"...became frustrated and tried to leave with the child".

If a police station full of cops can't deal with a pregnant woman without resorting to potentially lethal force, maybe they should all get different jobs.
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The principle of operation is the same for any type of electroshock weapon. They all impair with your ability to control your muscles by interfering with your central nervous system. They all basically consist of three parts: a battery, a circuit to step up the voltage, and the interface to the person you are trying to shock.

The first is pretty self-explanatory, and the last we know pretty well to be either a simple pair of electrodes you have to touch the person with, or a pair of small darts with lengths of thin wires that can be shot at the person from a short distance.

The characteristics of the pulse(s) that get sent into the person is where I'm sure every manufacturer starts coming up with fancy sounding names. But in the end, it's a high-voltage (200-300kV) low-current (a few mA) pulsed output with a low duty-cycle (meaning you send a series of very short shocks with a relatively long period of time between them)

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I beg your pardon, sir. I stand corrected. 50 pushups take care of it?



:D:D

No problema.... Make it 10.;)

FYI - a taser can be used just like a stun gun contact weapon.

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a taser can be used just like a stun gun contact weapon



So, it would seem. Now, the wattage seems to behigher (I would guess to ensure max capacity at range) and ya still gots to get a BC cause it "shoots."
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She was attempting to commit child abandonment from what I can ascertain from the limited info the original source gives...Is that not a crime?




Negative.

"...became frustrated and tried to leave with the child".

If a police station full of cops can't deal with a pregnant woman without resorting to potentially lethal force, maybe they should all get different jobs.



She had tried to give up her baby, but now wanted to leave. The cop has a moral (and legal) reponsibility to the child at this point, so I don't see that point as valid. He can't let her

I'd like to see pics at this point to know if the cop should know the woman was pregnant.

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She was attempting to commit child abandonment from what I can ascertain from the limited info the original source gives...Is that not a crime?




Negative.

"...became frustrated and tried to leave with the child".

If a police station full of cops can't deal with a pregnant woman without resorting to potentially lethal force, maybe they should all get different jobs.



She had tried to give up her baby, but now wanted to leave. The cop has a moral (and legal) reponsibility to the child at this point, so I don't see that point as valid. He can't let her

I'd like to see pics at this point to know if the cop should know the woman was pregnant.



Agreed - we could also see if "frustrated" meant a damger to anyone that could only be dealt with by tasering.
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She was attempting to commit child abandonment from what I can ascertain from the limited info the original source gives...Is that not a crime?




Negative.

"...became frustrated and tried to leave with the child".

If a police station full of cops can't deal with a pregnant woman without resorting to potentially lethal force, maybe they should all get different jobs.



She had tried to give up her baby, but now wanted to leave. The cop has a moral (and legal) reponsibility to the child at this point, so I don't see that point as valid. He can't let her

I'd like to see pics at this point to know if the cop should know the woman was pregnant.



Unless he knows she is abusing the child he has no right to detain her. She had second thoughts, which sometimes happens.

Maybe she thought "I'm not giving my kid to these fucking morons.... I'm outta here!" So what?

No way did this warrant a tasering.

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Unless he knows she is abusing the child he has no right to detain her. She had second thoughts, which sometimes happens.



Tried to abandon your child at a police station is more than enough reason to be fearful for the child's safety. He had every right and duty there to take action. This particular action? Maybe not. But it's not an obvious overstep.

A couple years ago on the San Francisco waterfront, a mother underdressed her 3 kids and tossed em in. (Spectators did not do mankind proud - only one body was even found). If the cop lets her leave and she dumpsters that kid, that cop is going to feel like shit. Might even get blamed for it.

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Unless he knows she is abusing the child he has no right to detain her. She had second thoughts, which sometimes happens.



Tried to abandon your child at a police station is more than enough reason to be fearful for the child's safety. He had every right and duty there to take action. This particular action? Maybe not. But it's not an obvious overstep.

A couple years ago on the San Francisco waterfront, a mother underdressed her 3 kids and tossed em in. (Spectators did not do mankind proud - only one body was even found). If the cop lets her leave and she dumpsters that kid, that cop is going to feel like shit. Might even get blamed for it.



Taking your child to the police is not abandonment. She took the kid to a place she felt the child would be safe - something an abuser would not do.

Lesson? Never go to the police for help. I have tried it a few times, and the police have been completely USELESS.

I went to city council and a judge and got much better results.

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abandonment = abuse to me. Esp if plan B was the dumpster or the bay or the nearest Denny's.



Yeah, anyone taking their child to Denny's should be tasered unmercifully,
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