Zipp0 1 #1 November 30, 2007 If there are problems with the pregnancy, is the officer liable? http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hITnaZN_0DTZIdkIWKC9rXJJSNpQD8T7ELUG0 -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrophyHusband 0 #2 November 30, 2007 The woman wore a winter coat and did not tell the officer she was pregnant, Etter said. "She was totally uncooperative," he said. i say no. "Your scrotum is quite nice" - Skymama www.kjandmegan.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #3 November 30, 2007 Quote The woman wore a winter coat and did not tell the officer she was pregnant, Etter said. "She was totally uncooperative," he said. i say no. Well, let's see now. she broke no laws, was not under arrest. She was forced to the ground at the station. Where were the rest of the cops who could had help to calm the situation? Couldn't cuff her so the only answer is to taser? I'd hate to sneeze near an officer as he may consider it an assualt (might catch the flu) and taser the crap out of me. Whatever happened to calm, cool and collected reasoning that cops use to use. It seems that it is taser first and then taser again and again."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cloudseeker2001 0 #4 November 30, 2007 This is really getting out of control............I have seen the police get rough with pregnant women......not sure it would make any difference. "Some call it heavenly in it's brilliance, others mean and rueful of the western dream" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,488 #5 November 30, 2007 Not to be picky, but the article is about a woman being stunned; not tasered. As you know, stun guns operate using a static charge to disrupt localized muscles groups. Tasers use an electrical watt and the electro-muscular disruption signal affects the entire central nervous system's signal to the body.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #6 November 30, 2007 QuoteNot to be picky, but the article is about a woman being stunned; not tasered. As you know, stun guns operate using a static charge to disrupt localized muscles groups. Tasers use an electrical watt and the electro-muscular disruption signal affects the entire central nervous system's signal to the body. Uh, no. Essentially a stun gun is a taser without the shooting darts. They both use very high voltage, low aperage to disrupt signals from the brain to the muscles. The officer shocked the baby along with the woman. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,488 #7 November 30, 2007 We'll have to agree to disagree. While the two are used synonomously; there is a difference. In many states, anyone can buy a stun gun, however to buy a Taser requires a background check not unlike buying a pistol. More information here: http://www.airtaserandstungunstore.com/relatedinfo/airtasers-vs-stunguns.shtmlNobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #8 November 30, 2007 QuoteQuoteNot to be picky, but the article is about a woman being stunned; not tasered. As you know, stun guns operate using a static charge to disrupt localized muscles groups. Tasers use an electrical watt and the electro-muscular disruption signal affects the entire central nervous system's signal to the body. Uh, no. Essentially a stun gun is a taser without the shooting darts. They both use very high voltage, low aperage to disrupt signals from the brain to the muscles. The officer shocked the baby along with the woman. Some years back, a friend of mine thought it would be funny to put a stun gun near the back of my neck. Back then I weighed over 200 pounds. That thing put me on the ground and hurt like freaking hell. Stun gun or taser, either one will knock a person silly."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pop 0 #9 November 30, 2007 QuoteIf there are problems with the pregnancy, is the officer liable? http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hITnaZN_0DTZIdkIWKC9rXJJSNpQD8T7ELUG0 She went for help and ended up getting tazered. Sorta comical.7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #10 November 30, 2007 Kind of like getting into an accident with a Mercedes instead of a Yugo. You'll have to pay more it if turns out it was your fault."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #11 November 30, 2007 QuoteThe woman wore a winter coat and did not tell the officer she was pregnant, Etter said. "She was totally uncooperative," he said. i say no. WHy is she obliged to reveal her pregnancy status to the police? I strongly disagree with you.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #12 November 30, 2007 QuoteQuoteThe woman wore a winter coat and did not tell the officer she was pregnant, Etter said. "She was totally uncooperative," he said. i say no. WHy is she obliged to reveal her pregnancy status to the police? I strongly disagree with you. Sounds like she should have considered her fetus before scuffling with the police. Wah.Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #13 December 1, 2007 Important details for those who don't follow the links: The woman went to the police department in this Dayton suburb on Nov. 18 to ask officers to take custody of her 1-year-old son, said Michael Etter, Trotwood's public safety director. The woman told the officer she was "tired of playing games" with the baby's father, Etter said. The woman refused to answer questions, became frustrated and tried to leave with the child, Etter said. The officer feared allowing her to leave could jeopardize the child and he decided to detain her to get more information. --- Well...here's a case where it would be nice if the local charities could chip in for some birth control. CPS should take the child as well. Whether or not the cop was right, she is not a fit mother. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #14 December 1, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteThe woman wore a winter coat and did not tell the officer she was pregnant, Etter said. "She was totally uncooperative," he said. i say no. WHy is she obliged to reveal her pregnancy status to the police? I strongly disagree with you. Sounds like she should have considered her fetus before scuffling with the police. Wah. From my reading of the article it seems that the police started the scuffle.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #15 December 1, 2007 Quote Sounds like she should have considered her fetus before scuffling with the police. Wah. At this point I think all "officers" who pull this kind of crap need a fucking taser hooked up to their NUT SACKS and let the people they attacked have at the on off switch for a few hours. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #16 December 1, 2007 How about all the bleeding heart whiners take a step back and look at all the facts, not just the ones that make the officer look like the only persn in the wrong. The woman gave the officer plent of reason to believe she just wanted to get rid of her kid and then tried to walk out the door with her kid. Theofficer tried to stop her so nothing bad would happen to the kid and she refused to cooperate. "Refused to cooperate" could mean a lot of different things, yet people on here immedeatly want to assume all that happened was some innocent woman walked into a police station and asked for directions to the gas station and was greeted by a flying taser wielding ninja police officer. Nobody on these forums knows if she merely tried to walk out the door or if the officer tried to move her back into the building gently and she slapped him away. For all the bitching I see around here about people being innocent until proven guilty the attitude sure turns quickly when there's a chance a public official may in some way be involved, there's a word for that you know, it's called hypocritical. I'm just throwing it out there, maybe you all might want to look it up. The woman was brought up on charges as well, so she obviously did enough to warrant her arrest, and I'd sure as hell consider saying you don't want your kid anymore and then just trying to leave despite attempts to keep you in the area to straighten things out obstruction of justice. There very well could have been more the officer coul havedone to avoid using the stun gun, but that doesn't mean it was his first resort, and this article doesn't give much detail. People need to quit chomping at the bit to fry cops, the FBI is looking into the matter, they are a completely unrelated agency so I'm surethey'll get the whole story.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #17 December 1, 2007 QuotePeople need to quit chomping at the bit to fry cops, the FBI is looking into the matter, they are a completely unrelated agency so I'm surethey'll get the whole story. There are far too many cases of this type of thing... I think it shows a great disdain for the people of our country....by a group of police that have an US V THEM chip on their shoulders. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrophyHusband 0 #18 December 1, 2007 QuoteQuoteThe woman wore a winter coat and did not tell the officer she was pregnant, Etter said. "She was totally uncooperative," he said. i say no. WHy is she obliged to reveal her pregnancy status to the police? I strongly disagree with you. so what now? tazers can never be used on any woman just in case she's pregnant? the officer had no way of knowing if she was pregnant. if the tazering was justified, any damage to the fetus is the fault of the mother. she should have cooperated witht he police. "Your scrotum is quite nice" - Skymama www.kjandmegan.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #19 December 1, 2007 Quoteshe should have cooperated witht he police. Yep.. that works fairly well in most polices states.. if you dont they have far larger "tasers" that they hook up to you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrophyHusband 0 #20 December 1, 2007 how are we supposed to have a civilized society if people aren't expected to cooperate with police? "Your scrotum is quite nice" - Skymama www.kjandmegan.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #21 December 1, 2007 QuoteQuoteshe should have cooperated witht he police. Yep.. that works fairly well in most polices states.. if you dont they have far larger "tasers" that they hook up to you. Obviously she's guilty of something or she wouldn't have been tasered. Remember the mantra, "If you've done nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about". Like Amadou Diallo, guilty of entering his own apartment building and armed with a wallet. The cops who pumped 19 bullets into him were exonerated.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycop 0 #22 December 1, 2007 QuoteLike Amadou Diallo, guilty of entering his own apartment building and armed with a wallet. The cops who pumped 19 bullets into him were exonerated. You make a mistake and a kids grades get messed up. (Sometimes) we make mistakes and people die, a reasonable citizen is able to give the benefit of the doubt in all but the worst cases. This is SC so who needs reason in here. "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #23 December 1, 2007 There are far too many cases of this type of thing... I think it shows a great disdain for the people of our country....by a group of police that have an US V THEM chip on their shoulders.Quote The only us v them click I see in this case is a handful of people in SC, once again I'll point out that none of us know all the details, and being so quick to assume that just because a taser came out the cops were abusing thir authority is BS. Of the tens of thousands of cops in this country you here 10 stories in the media about people being tasered and instantly all cops are evil because 10 of them made a mistake, whether intentionally or not. As someone who served in the military, especially as a SERE instructor having more than likely seen plenty of people make the wrong decision under difficult circumstances I'd think you'd be little more understanding about things like this.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites turtlespeed 226 #24 December 1, 2007 QuoteQuoteLike Amadou Diallo, guilty of entering his own apartment building and armed with a wallet. The cops who pumped 19 bullets into him were exonerated. You make a mistake and a kids grades get messed up. (Sometimes) we make mistakes and people die, a reasonable citizen is able to give the benefit of the doubt in all but the worst cases. This is SC so who needs reason in here. 19 bullets is just a little mistake though. QuoteALBANY, N.Y. (Court TV) — Bronx prosecutors rested their case Tuesday as a medical examiner testified that the wounds to Amadou Diallo's bullet-riddled body indicate that he was shot repeatedly while already down. This kind of issue is what tasers were designed for - not women and traffic ticket non-signersI'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skycop 0 #25 December 1, 2007 Quote19 bullets is just a little mistake though Who said little, it was a huge mistake with many factors. A person died, but 12 people understood that is was made without malice. I could go into some of the factors, but many here aren't interested in anything factual. "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 1 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
turtlespeed 226 #24 December 1, 2007 QuoteQuoteLike Amadou Diallo, guilty of entering his own apartment building and armed with a wallet. The cops who pumped 19 bullets into him were exonerated. You make a mistake and a kids grades get messed up. (Sometimes) we make mistakes and people die, a reasonable citizen is able to give the benefit of the doubt in all but the worst cases. This is SC so who needs reason in here. 19 bullets is just a little mistake though. QuoteALBANY, N.Y. (Court TV) — Bronx prosecutors rested their case Tuesday as a medical examiner testified that the wounds to Amadou Diallo's bullet-riddled body indicate that he was shot repeatedly while already down. This kind of issue is what tasers were designed for - not women and traffic ticket non-signersI'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycop 0 #25 December 1, 2007 Quote19 bullets is just a little mistake though Who said little, it was a huge mistake with many factors. A person died, but 12 people understood that is was made without malice. I could go into some of the factors, but many here aren't interested in anything factual. "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
