kallend 2,148 #51 November 30, 2007 QuoteQuote"The concept of "fair tax" is absurd". Perhaps - but it's no less absurd than the insane maze of taxes and regulations that we have now. Follow the money. No profit in taxing the homeless and destitute.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #52 November 30, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteProbably the best investment made on any of our behalves is the investment someone made in our education. See attached figure. With all due respect, that's not really an "investment" John unless you're talking about parents and the ability of their children to take care of them in their old age. That said, I -WISH- it was an investment in the future of our country, but the taxes -I- pay that goes to the school system has been very poorly managed. I don't see it as an investment in -my- future or even the future of the country. It's more like armed robbery at this point. ++ ESPECIALLY when it's only property owners that have to pay that tax. You don't think landlords collect that tax from their tenants? Edit to add: I'd say the only people who don't pay property taxes one way or another are the homeless, and I'm ok with them being exempt. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #53 November 30, 2007 QuoteYou don't think landlords collect that tax from their tenants? I'm sure they make enough on the rent to cover it...that's not my point.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #54 November 30, 2007 QuoteQuoteYou don't think landlords collect that tax from their tenants? I'm sure they make enough on the rent to cover it...that's not my point. What is your point?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #55 November 30, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteYou don't think landlords collect that tax from their tenants? I'm sure they make enough on the rent to cover it...that's not my point. What is your point? Up 2 posts from yours - the fact that ONLY the property OWNERS are assessed the school tax. I think it should be done like a tuition - you have a kid in school, you pay the tax each semester.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #56 November 30, 2007 Quote Up 2 posts from yours - the fact that ONLY the property OWNERS are assessed the school tax. I think it should be done like a tuition - you have a kid in school, you pay the tax each semester. I must have misread your post. I agree with your position. I think it's silly that people who choose not to reproduce are forced to pay for the education of other people's children. Living in a community with both a high mormon population and a high hispanic population, there are a lot of people here who have LOTS of kids. They get all the tax breaks and we pay for their kids' education. In my opinion, that sucks. Edit to add: For clarity purposes, your complaint isn't so much that "only" property owners have to pay school taxes as much as "all" property owners have to pay school taxes, right? Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #57 November 30, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteYou don't think landlords collect that tax from their tenants? I'm sure they make enough on the rent to cover it...that's not my point. What is your point? Up 2 posts from yours - the fact that ONLY the property OWNERS are assessed the school tax. I think it should be done like a tuition - you have a kid in school, you pay the tax each semester. Consider it an investment. Better educated people earn more and will be paying more taxes for stuff you like.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #58 November 30, 2007 Quote Consider it an investment. Better educated people earn more and will be paying more taxes for stuff you like. Yes, but less educated people drive down the cost of labor so retailers don't have to charge us so much for goods and services. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #59 November 30, 2007 QuoteConsider it an investment. Better educated people earn more and will be paying more taxes for stuff you like. I believe I already addressed this "investment" as currently being rather poorly managed.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #60 November 30, 2007 QuoteQuoteConsider it an investment. Better educated people earn more and will be paying more taxes for stuff you like. I believe I already addressed this "investment" as currently being rather poorly managed. Not where I live. All the MDs, lawyers, stockbrokers... down my street - all are beneficiaries of the investment in their education.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #61 November 30, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteConsider it an investment. Better educated people earn more and will be paying more taxes for stuff you like. I believe I already addressed this "investment" as currently being rather poorly managed. Not where I live. All the MDs, lawyers, stockbrokers... down my street - all are beneficiaries of the investment in their education. After the first 12 years, yes, it's more or less working as intended. Below that, it's a miserable failure of management.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #62 December 1, 2007 Quote Up 2 posts from yours - the fact that ONLY the property OWNERS are assessed the school tax. I think it should be done like a tuition - you have a kid in school, you pay the tax each semester. Schools are no longer funded directly by property taxes of local owners. There were equal access issues with this - meant that rich neighborhoods had rich schools and poor neighborhoods have poor ones. California collects that money and then distributes back out. And you can't say that tenants don't pay property tax within their rent. They do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #63 December 1, 2007 QuoteQuote Up 2 posts from yours - the fact that ONLY the property OWNERS are assessed the school tax. I think it should be done like a tuition - you have a kid in school, you pay the tax each semester. Schools are no longer funded directly by property taxes of local owners. There were equal access issues with this - meant that rich neighborhoods had rich schools and poor neighborhoods have poor ones. California collects that money and then distributes back out. And you can't say that tenants don't pay property tax within their rent. They do. When it's included as a line item in their rent bill, or they're given a tax assessment for the value of their apartment, I'll concede your point. Until then, my argument against the situation stands.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #64 December 1, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteYou don't think landlords collect that tax from their tenants? I'm sure they make enough on the rent to cover it...that's not my point. What is your point? Up 2 posts from yours - the fact that ONLY the property OWNERS are assessed the school tax. I think it should be done like a tuition - you have a kid in school, you pay the tax each semester. Consider it an investment. Better educated people earn more and will be paying more taxes for stuff you like. Then we'll see no more posts from you whining about having YOUR taxes pay for the war....right? The same logic applies, but at least in that case it's everyone paying the tax and not some subset of the population.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #65 December 1, 2007 Quote When it's included as a line item in their rent bill, or they're given a tax assessment for the value of their apartment, I'll concede your point. Until then, my argument against the situation stands. And when you show me a monthly rent bill with line items, I'll stop smirking. Landlords are in it to make money - all costs are part of the equation. And tenants pay those costs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #66 December 1, 2007 QuoteQuote When it's included as a line item in their rent bill, or they're given a tax assessment for the value of their apartment, I'll concede your point. Until then, my argument against the situation stands. And when you show me a monthly rent bill with line items, I'll stop smirking. Landlords are in it to make money - all costs are part of the equation. And tenants pay those costs. Ok - so you'll be AGAINST higher corporate taxes, then, since they pass it down to the consumers? Same principle. I understand where you're coming from with your argument, I just don't agree with it.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #67 December 1, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote When it's included as a line item in their rent bill, or they're given a tax assessment for the value of their apartment, I'll concede your point. Until then, my argument against the situation stands. And when you show me a monthly rent bill with line items, I'll stop smirking. Landlords are in it to make money - all costs are part of the equation. And tenants pay those costs. Ok - so you'll be AGAINST higher corporate taxes, then, since they pass it down to the consumers? Same principle. I understand where you're coming from with your argument, I just don't agree with it. Let's get back to the main point - schools are no longer directly funded by property taxes anyway, so your semantical argument about whether renters are freeloaders is pointless. I've made no statement on corporate taxes, so it's not really germane. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #68 December 1, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteYou don't think landlords collect that tax from their tenants? I'm sure they make enough on the rent to cover it...that's not my point. What is your point? Up 2 posts from yours - the fact that ONLY the property OWNERS are assessed the school tax. I think it should be done like a tuition - you have a kid in school, you pay the tax each semester. Consider it an investment. Better educated people earn more and will be paying more taxes for stuff you like. Then we'll see no more posts from you whining about having YOUR taxes pay for the war....right? The same logic applies, but at least in that case it's everyone paying the tax and not some subset of the population. I find it hard to consider the war in Iraq an investment. Just the opposite, it is an incredible drain on the country both in terms of lives and $$. Interesting that ANYONE would consider funding an optional war of aggression to be OK, while funding childrens' education to be an imposition.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
