akarunway 1 #26 November 28, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Quote Being a celebrity or hero in someone's eye doesn't excuse them from acts of violence, or exclude them from the law. the law probably concludes that he got what he asked for. You intrude on the personal space (he was well closer than that) of a old man and call him a coward and a liar after being asked to step back, shit happens. You aren't allowed to provoke a fight and then whine when it happens. It would be the funniest 911 call ever. I do believe you are wrong on that point of law. Sticks and stones so to speak. But if you throw the first blow you are the aggressor. I watch Judge Judy. LOL Where's lawrocket when ya need him? I disagree. Aldrin could probably argue that he felt threatened with immediate bodily harm, given the asshat's actions/body language. Actually it's a grey area depending on state. Trust me. I had a fight w/ a neighbor awhile back. Spent a couple hrs. in jail. Fought it myself and charges were dismissed.I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,507 #27 November 28, 2007 QuoteFolks used to talk a whole lot nicer to each other when everyone had guns strapped to their hips. - Louis L'AmourNobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #28 November 28, 2007 Quote Quote Folks used to talk a whole lot nicer to each other when everyone had guns strapped to their hips. - Louis L'Amour I'd love to go back to the day. Had a few strapped to me a couple days ago. Mutual respect. Don't fuck w/ me and I won't fuck w/ you. I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #29 November 28, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Folks used to talk a whole lot nicer to each other when everyone had guns strapped to their hips. - Louis L'Amour I'd love to go back to the day. Had a few strapped to me a couple days ago. Mutual respect. Don't fuck w/ me and I won't fuck w/ you. I keep a sack of ill-tempered housecats in lieu of a firearm. A hail of pissed off tabbies will ruin your day.Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #30 November 28, 2007 Quotethe law probably concludes that he got what he asked for. It's a trickier situation than that. There are two separate things t think about - criminal versus tort. I really can't comment on criminal defenses since I haven't done anything regarding criminal law since I studied for the bar exam. However, in the tort system, Aldrin would have to prove self defense, meaning that he "reasonably believed" that the guy was going to harm him; and that he used only the amount of force necessary to prevent the battery. I don't think this dude was going to actually hurt Aldrin, and words alone cannot constitute a battery or an assault. On the other hand, this dude's in a pretty rough spot. What's he gonna do? Is he actually gonna sue and say he got his ass kicked by a geezer? Video of the episode would also be used, in which case a jury may very well conclude that he had it coming. While, as a matter of law, Buzz would be convicted and/or held liable, this is exactly the kind of case where "jury nullification" would be a strong possibility. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
