Explain your issues with Hillary Clinton

[lawrocket 3]

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Must really suck to be so blind.

Again, note the distinct messianic quality. We are blind, but you, you see all.

Personally, I have nothing against the blind or deaf. I think you shoul dvisit a braille institute sometime.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[Lindsey 0]

I can tell ya' this...and I don't have to defend my choices to YOU, of all people...I've voted, every 4th year since I was 18 for a Democrat for president. I will NOT vote for Hillary...AND I'm from Arkansas. Used to party with her. Like her well enough as a person, but I'd NEVER vote for her for president.

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[akarunway 1]

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According to a Zogby Poll, if a head to head election were held today, Hillary Clinton would lose to: Giuliani, Romney, McCain, and even Thompson and Huckabee. In June, she was leading them.

Meanwhile, Obama and Edwards are leading them all right now.

I know there are a lot of people who have problems with Hillary. I'm one of them, but I am having difficulty really enunciating them.

One of the problems I have is that I think I disagree fundamentally with her political viewpoint. But my best friends are pinko socialists. I do think that if I ever met her in person, though, I wouldn't like her one bit.

Part of it is the inescapeable notion that I have that she just is not a genuine individual. Obama I like a lot because the dude is pretty real and lacks pretense. He says it like it is. Hillary, on the other hand, is great with general ideas but lacking in details.

Also, I get the feeling that Hillary, like Gore, is really convinced that she is smarter and better than anyone out there, and thinks that she knows more than anyone what is best for us. With her husband, dammit, the guy was likeable. He was the sort of guy who would be self-deprecating and, like Reagan, I just couldn't help but like the guy.

I really can't explain why I don't like Hillary. If you don't like her, tell us why.

Cause she's a woman and they tend to run their mouth too much?

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[Lindsey 0]

Cause she's a woman and they tend to run their mouth too much?

Fuck you. Is that a personal attack???? Maybe. But that's bullshit, so you deserve it.

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[Lucky... 0]

>>>>>>>>>She voted against HR 2206, which raised the federal minimum wage to to $5.85 per hour on the 60th day after the enactment of HR 2206, $6.55 per hour 12 months after that 60th day, and $7.25 per hour 24 months after that 60th.

Thanks for citing your sources, oh wait, I'll look it up. Damn Republicans never cite.

For starters, this was sponsored by Rep Obey, David R. [WI-7], so it is a Republican bill.

http://www.thomas.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:h.r.02206:

There are 7 versions of Bill Number H.R.2206 for the 110th Congress
1 . U.S. Troop Readiness, Veterans' Care, Katrina Recovery, and Iraq Accountability Appropriations Act, 2007 (Introduced in House)[H.R.2206.IH]
2 . Making emergency supplemental appropriations and additional supplemental appropriations for agricultural and other emergency assistance for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2007,... (Engrossed as Agreed to or Passed by House)[H.R.2206.EH]
3 . Making emergency supplemental appropriations and additional supplemental appropriations for agricultural and other emergency assistance for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2007,... (Placed on Calendar in Senate)[H.R.2206.PCS]
4 . Resolved, That the bill from the House of Representatives (H.R. 2206) entitled `An Act making emergency supplemental appropriations and additional supplemental appropriations for... (Engrossed Amendment as Agreed to by Senate)[H.R.2206.EAS]
5 . Making emergency supplemental appropriations and additional supplemental appropriations for agricultural and other emergency assistance for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2007,... (Public Print)[H.R.2206.PP]
6 . U.S. Troop Readiness, Veterans' Care, Katrina Recovery, and Iraq Accountability Appropriations Act, 2007 (Enrolled as Agreed to or Passed by Both House and Senate)[H.R.2206.ENR]
7 . U.S. Troop Readiness, Veterans' Care, Katrina Recovery, and Iraq Accountability Appropriations Act, 2007 (Engrossed Amendment as Agreed to by House)[H.R.2206.EAH]

http://www.thomas.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.2206:

There are seven versions and this bill isn't cut and dried, it is very piggybacked. As for emergency supplemental, was she talking about the agricultural Emer Supp?

Making emergency supplemental appropriations and additional supplemental appropriations for agricultural and other emergency assistance for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2007,... (Public Print)

http://www.thomas.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c110:5:./temp/~c110OF7dYj::

Your claim is vague and w/o citation, so let's examine this more. Perhaps if you posted that it would clear things up.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Republicans, by the way, voted for it, Oh, in the House, RON PAUL voted against it. How does that make you feel knowing that Ron Paul and Hillary Clinton both voted the same on this? Oh, yeah - Obama also voted against it.

It sounds as of there was a lot of fat, so Paul voted it down and so did Hillary, so that kinda kills your point that Hillary did something against the poor. Hell, Bill voted in one min wage increase even tho it was loaded with goodies for the rich, then refused the last one becuase it was too loaded, but sais if the Nazi-controlled congress would send it alone he would gladly sign it. Your point is vague, w/o reference, and fails to address all the goodies with the HR; color me shocked.

So let's examine this more, post your reference.

>>>>>>>>>>So there is a coalition of voters between Paul, Obama and Clinton on this. How about that. Is Ron Paul a better guy than you thought or are Clinton and Obama despicable "dogs?"

It sounds as if it was loaded with fat for the rich, so Hillary and Obama voted against, Paul, Dr. No, votes against most money bills, So basically, a very weak attempt on your part, but let's examine this further after your citations.

[Lucky... 0]

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Sounds like you're a Liberal with a capital "L". Why must political debates be dictated by the Democratic Party or the Republican Party? Why is it not about the individual candidate? My biggest concern for our nation is to limit the power of the government. The bigger the government agency grows, the less choice we have as individuals! Hilary Clinton is the biggest proponent for more government control. That's enough reason for me NOT to vote for her.

Why not just come out and show us your Ron Paul, Libertarian, er uh, Republican tattoo?

>>>>>>>>>>>>My biggest concern for our nation is to limit the power of the government.

Federalism is what led to the Emancipation Proclamation as well as many other great events. It was illegal for white females to mary non-white males until 1968 in 16 states and you want to claim federal intrusion is bad? I'm guessing I'm writing to someone very young with little education.

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>>>>>>>>>>If by "fine line" you mean views on the first, fourth, fifth, sixth, eighth, ninth and tenth amendments to the Constitution, yeah, then it's a fine line.

Oh, also include views of the commerce clause in there, as well. Including views on religion, drug use, war, taxes, etc.

Oh, but since I agree with the Republicans on, what, a quarter of the issues, it's a fine line. Clearly, if you aren't bigoted against Republicans just because they are Republicans, you are a "dog" like them.



How about fine line when it comes to fiscal matters. Libertarians are fiscally beyond right, liberally beyond left. However if they have to decide which toside with, isn't it obvious they go right, as in fiscal matters are more important than matters of liberty. Isn't that obvious? Can you point out a Libertarian candidate who defected to the Dems?

>>>>>>>>>>>Actually, it seems that two of the last seven republican presidential candidates were "losers" (even though GHWB actually won one). Those 5 of 7 you listed, um, WON.

HUH? OK, I wrote that 5 of the last 7 pesidential terms, not pesidents. I wasn't talking electoral votes, I was talking the terms, a 4-year term was a loser for the American people. Again, 5 of the last 7 presidential terms, Reagan, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Clinton, Bush, Bush. As in Clinton served 2 terms, FDR was the only 4-term president, even tho he died before he could finish the last.

It appears you are skewing this to be as if I wrote presidential candidates, which I did not. I will repost whet I wrote:

So we've had 5 of the last 7 presidential terms from the Repubs, 7 of the 9 SCOTUS justices are from these 5 losers

>>>>>>>>>>>In your world, "winning" is "losing," "libertarian" is "republican" and "democrat" is "jesus" secular deity.

There goes the form atorney, skewing what I wrote, rather blatantly revising it to include, "candidate." Can't you leave work at work? And to bring in religion as in the democrats are the secular deity; doesn't that contradict your advertised Libertarian ideals, or further move you into the Republican Party for which you are 98% anyway?

[Lucky... 0]

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I can tell ya' this...and I don't have to defend my choices to YOU, of all people...I've voted, every 4th year since I was 18 for a Democrat for president. I will NOT vote for Hillary...AND I'm from Arkansas. Used to party with her. Like her well enough as a person, but I'd NEVER vote for her for president.

You don't have to defend shit to me, I'm just curious if you will vote in the criiminal element once again if Hillary wins the Dem primary? Will you abstain? Just curious.

[akarunway 1]

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Cause she's a woman and they tend to run their mouth too much?

Fuck you. Is that a personal attack???? Maybe. But that's bullshit, so you deserve it.

It was a joke. Jeez. Fuckin women. No wonder I'll never get married again. LOL. Plus I get to spend all my money on MYSELF.

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[Lindsey 0]

Personally I don't like her because she give me the creeps. Sometimes ya' just gotta go with your gut. She's a scary woman.

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A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail

[Lucky... 0]

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According to a Zogby Poll, if a head to head election were held today, Hillary Clinton would lose to: Giuliani, Romney, McCain, and even Thompson and Huckabee. In June, she was leading them.

Meanwhile, Obama and Edwards are leading them all right now.

I know there are a lot of people who have problems with Hillary. I'm one of them, but I am having difficulty really enunciating them.

One of the problems I have is that I think I disagree fundamentally with her political viewpoint. But my best friends are pinko socialists. I do think that if I ever met her in person, though, I wouldn't like her one bit.

Part of it is the inescapeable notion that I have that she just is not a genuine individual. Obama I like a lot because the dude is pretty real and lacks pretense. He says it like it is. Hillary, on the other hand, is great with general ideas but lacking in details.

Also, I get the feeling that Hillary, like Gore, is really convinced that she is smarter and better than anyone out there, and thinks that she knows more than anyone what is best for us. With her husband, dammit, the guy was likeable. He was the sort of guy who would be self-deprecating and, like Reagan, I just couldn't help but like the guy.

I really can't explain why I don't like Hillary. If you don't like her, tell us why.

Cause she's a woman and they tend to run their mouth too much?

Now there's something we can all agree upon

[Lucky... 0]

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Cause she's a woman and they tend to run their mouth too much?

Fuck you. Is that a personal attack???? Maybe. But that's bullshit, so you deserve it.

[Lindsey 0]

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Cause she's a woman and they tend to run their mouth too much?

Fuck you. Is that a personal attack???? Maybe. But that's bullshit, so you deserve it.

It was a joke. Jeez. Fuckin women. No wonder I'll never get married again. LOL. Plus I get to spend all my money on MYSELF.

You're obviously taking my off-handed comments far too seriously. So fuck you again...lol. I'm just trying to get a warning...or banned...or stroked or something...lol.

Edited to add: I'm kinda having fun spending all of my money on myself too. Ain't life grand. :) But I'm thinking of inviting a boy over. Oooooh. That might mean letting him have use of my sauna for free . But since he makes even more money than me, maybe I can get a little nookie on the sly.....heh. Laugh, dude, it ain't all that serious of a problem. Grubbin' on the livin' room floor is where it's at.

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[akarunway 1]

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Cause she's a woman and they tend to run their mouth too much?

Fuck you. Is that a personal attack???? Maybe. But that's bullshit, so you deserve it.

It was a joke. Jeez. Fuckin women. No wonder I'll never get married again. LOL. Plus I get to spend all my money on MYSELF.

You're obviously taking my off-handed comments far too seriously. So fuck you again...lol. I'm just trying to get a warning...or banned...or stroked or something...lol.

Edited to add: I'm kinda having fun spending all of my money on myself too. Ain't life grand. :) But I'm thinking of inviting a boy over. Oooooh. That might mean letting him have use of my sauna for free . But since he makes even more money than me, maybe I can get a little nookie on the sly.....heh. Laugh, dude, it ain't all that serious of a problem. Grubbin' on the livin' room floor is where it's at.

LOL. Na. I just run to Mexico and rent a cheap young hooker and play in the sand. Them Mexicans are good for something

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[Lucky... 0]

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Personally I don't like her because she give me the creeps. Sometimes ya' just gotta go with your gut. She's a scary woman.

Ye, I just really hae that. I say we examine her voting record and other performance rather than the creep factor. Bill Gates is waaaaay more creepy, so would you fire him from the IT dept for that? Is Hillary qualified? Of course. Not to pick on you, but isn't this why we have 2 terms of Bush, Gore ws too stiff and Kerry to much like Herman Munster? You gotta be shittin me, who the fuck cares what they look like? The rest of the world laughs at us Clinton is impeached for lying about a BJ, while Libby has his sentence commuted for the lying about revealing the name of a fed agent and it is discovered that Trent Lott, the guy calling for CLinton's head for BJ-gate was fucking his secretary at the time...... and then the US Dollar dies and they all applaude....

Note to self: Vote for candidates based upon how they might work in office, nit what they look like, sound like, etc.

[Lucky... 0]

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Cause she's a woman and they tend to run their mouth too much?

Fuck you. Is that a personal attack???? Maybe. But that's bullshit, so you deserve it.

It was a joke. Jeez. Fuckin women. No wonder I'll never get married again. LOL. Plus I get to spend all my money on MYSELF.

You're obviously taking my off-handed comments far too seriously. So fuck you again...lol. I'm just trying to get a warning...or banned...or stroked or something...lol.

Edited to add: I'm kinda having fun spending all of my money on myself too. Ain't life grand. :) But I'm thinking of inviting a boy over. Oooooh. That might mean letting him have use of my sauna for free . But since he makes even more money than me, maybe I can get a little nookie on the sly.....heh. Laugh, dude, it ain't all that serious of a problem. Grubbin' on the livin' room floor is where it's at.

This post is startin give me wood ....think of it, a Hillary thread giving me wood puls out gun, shoots self in head.

[Lucky... 0]

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Cause she's a woman and they tend to run their mouth too much?

Fuck you. Is that a personal attack???? Maybe. But that's bullshit, so you deserve it.

It was a joke. Jeez. Fuckin women. No wonder I'll never get married again. LOL. Plus I get to spend all my money on MYSELF.

You're obviously taking my off-handed comments far too seriously. So fuck you again...lol. I'm just trying to get a warning...or banned...or stroked or something...lol.

Edited to add: I'm kinda having fun spending all of my money on myself too. Ain't life grand. :) But I'm thinking of inviting a boy over. Oooooh. That might mean letting him have use of my sauna for free . But since he makes even more money than me, maybe I can get a little nookie on the sly.....heh. Laugh, dude, it ain't all that serious of a problem. Grubbin' on the livin' room floor is where it's at.

LOL. Na. I just run to Mexico and rent a cheap young hooker and play in the sand. Them Mexicans are good for something

LBFM

[Lindsey 0]

I'll stick with the "creep" factor. Known her since I was a kid. Really. Up close and personal. Voting record...couldn't care less. Over the years she has come to scare me. Won't vote for her. I'll go with my gut....and about 35 years of personal experience. But I wouldn't try to sway you. I'm just saying what I'll do. If she's the Democratic candidate, it'll be the first time EVER that I've not voted Democrat. You do what make you happy.

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A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail

[Lucky... 0]

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I'll stick with the "creep" factor. Known her since I was a kid. Really. Up close and personal. Voting record...couldn't care less. Over the years she has come to scare me. Won't vote for her. I'll go with my gut....and about 35 years of personal experience. But I wouldn't try to sway you. I'm just saying what I'll do. If she's the Democratic candidate, it'll be the first time EVER that I've not voted Democrat. You do what make you happy.

>>>>>>>>>>Voting record...couldn't care less.

That's why this country is such a sad mess

[Lindsey 0]

Nope. Sometimes your knowledge of a person is a much better marker of their qualities than a piece of paper marked yes or no. I tend to think that the lack of *real* knowledge of candidates is a much bigger problem for our country than knowledge of their voting record. Those are just x's and o's. Tic tac toe.

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[jenfly00 0]

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Pretty tough talk for someone who just got a job as a grants specialist for the mayor.

I work in homeland security grants. I think that the security of the nation is one of the few areas that the federal government should be involved in. I'm not saying it's not completely screwed up. It is. I just don't think there's anyone else other than the federal government that would be appropriate to take on the role of managing national security.

OK, makes sense to me.

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[jenfly00 0]

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She doesn't know what she stands for. The debate in front of Tim Russert is proof of this.

Also, I truly believe that she is taking the democratic nomination for granted. She is expecting smooth sailing and she's genuinely flustered that she's not getting a pass during these debates and primaries.

I think that she is going to get a rude awakening in Iowa.

I'm not realy warm and fuzzy about Hillary, but dude, anyone with intelligent thought gets a rude awakening in Iowa.

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[jenfly00 0]

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Must really suck to be so blind.

Again, note the distinct messianic quality. We are blind, but you, you see all.

Personally, I have nothing against the blind or deaf. I think you shoul dvisit a braille institute sometime.

You mean the ones receiving govt funds that you would close down due to govt infringement. I don't think you have anything against anyone ...you just don't care.

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[Lucky... 0]

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Nope. Sometimes your knowledge of a person is a much better marker of their qualities than a piece of paper marked yes or no. I tend to think that the lack of *real* knowledge of candidates is a much bigger problem for our country than knowledge of their voting record. Those are just x's and o's. Tic tac toe.

HUH? Those little X / O's are what brings us to war, gets us out, raises taxes, gives the rich breaks, gives the poor help, etc..... You just personally don't like her rather than judging what kind of politician she is.

I'veplayed basketball with Simeon Rice and Bibby, I don't have a high opinion of these guys, yet they are great ball players in their sports. Perhaps some merit to AK's statement.

[Lucky... 0]

Everyone running like cowards from the question:

WHAT IF HILLARY WINS THE PRIMARY, WILL YOU ACTUALLY BRING YOURSELF TO VOTING FOR THE gaRbage?