Explain your issues with Hillary Clinton

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According to a Zogby Poll, if a head to head election were held today, Hillary Clinton would lose to: Giuliani, Romney, McCain, and even Thompson and Huckabee. In June, she was leading them.

Meanwhile, Obama and Edwards are leading them all right now.

I know there are a lot of people who have problems with Hillary. I'm one of them, but I am having difficulty really enunciating them.

One of the problems I have is that I think I disagree fundamentally with her political viewpoint. But my best friends are pinko socialists. I do think that if I ever met her in person, though, I wouldn't like her one bit.

Part of it is the inescapeable notion that I have that she just is not a genuine individual. Obama I like a lot because the dude is pretty real and lacks pretense. He says it like it is. Hillary, on the other hand, is great with general ideas but lacking in details.

Also, I get the feeling that Hillary, like Gore, is really convinced that she is smarter and better than anyone out there, and thinks that she knows more than anyone what is best for us. With her husband, dammit, the guy was likeable. He was the sort of guy who would be self-deprecating and, like Reagan, I just couldn't help but like the guy.

I really can't explain why I don't like Hillary. If you don't like her, tell us why.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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According to a Zogby Poll, if a head to head election were held today, Hillary Clinton would lose to: Giuliani, Romney, McCain, and even Thompson and Huckabee. In June, she was leading them.

Meanwhile, Obama and Edwards are leading them all right now.

I know there are a lot of people who have problems with Hillary. I'm one of them, but I am having difficulty really enunciating them.

One of the problems I have is that I think I disagree fundamentally with her political viewpoint. But my best friends are pinko socialists. I do think that if I ever met her in person, though, I wouldn't like her one bit.

Part of it is the inescapeable notion that I have that she just is not a genuine individual. Obama I like a lot because the dude is pretty real and lacks pretense. He says it like it is. Hillary, on the other hand, is great with general ideas but lacking in details.

Also, I get the feeling that Hillary, like Gore, is really convinced that she is smarter and better than anyone out there, and thinks that she knows more than anyone what is best for us. With her husband, dammit, the guy was likeable. He was the sort of guy who would be self-deprecating and, like Reagan, I just couldn't help but like the guy.

I really can't explain why I don't like Hillary. If you don't like her, tell us why.

I mostly agree with you. She seems dishonest and condescending, and most likely to continue GWBs efforts to grab more and more power for the executive branch and reduce civil liberties to the maximum extent practicable. I want a President who approaches things from a "What's right?" perspective, not a "What can I get away with?" perspective. I don't think she fits that bill.

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I don't like her attitude that the government can do better for Joe Citizen than he can do for himself. I'm anti government health care, anti gun control, and anti minimum wage. I just don't think it's the place of the government to regulate the relationship between patients and doctors, the relationship between employees and employers, or the ability of a person to protect himself when his life is threatened. Hillary apparently thinks that the government can help people better than they can help themselves, and, since I've never really seen the government do anything with any amount of reason, efficiency or effectiveness, I have my doubts.

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I want a President who approaches things from a "What's right?" perspective, not a "What can I get away with?" perspective. I don't think she fits that bill.

I think out of all the candidates, Ron Paul comes closest.

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My problem with Hill is real simple. She put up with her lieing, cheating husband forever. There's only one reason a woman in her position would do that...power. She knew that if she walked on Willy after Monica her political life was over. Goes to character. I don't trust her.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[Nightingale 0]

Plenty of relationships have survived cheating. We don't know why Hillary stayed with Bill. It could've been for power. It could've been that her marriage vows actually meant something to her.

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If you don't like her, tell us why.

I don't really care if she is or is not the most qualified person.

I don't like her for the duel monarchy aspect of Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton. That's simply too much power in the hands of too few families in too short of a period of time. I wish it would have stopped with the 43rd President, but I'm willing to let it stop with the 44th.

I am a lifetime, dyed in the wool, multi-generational Democrat and I won't vote for her in the primary. I simply can't do that.

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I don't like her attitude that the government can do better for Joe Citizen than he can do for himself. I'm anti government health care, anti gun control, and anti minimum wage. I just don't think it's the place of the government to regulate the relationship between patients and doctors, the relationship between employees and employers, or the ability of a person to protect himself when his life is threatened. Hillary apparently thinks that the government can help people better than they can help themselves, and, since I've never really seen the government do anything with any amount of reason, efficiency or effectiveness, I have my doubts.

Pretty tough talk for someone who just got a job as a grants specialist for the mayor.

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Pretty tough talk for someone who just got a job as a grants specialist for the mayor.

I work in homeland security grants. I think that the security of the nation is one of the few areas that the federal government should be involved in. I'm not saying it's not completely screwed up. It is. I just don't think there's anyone else other than the federal government that would be appropriate to take on the role of managing national security.

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I think that the security of the nation is one of the few areas that the federal government should be involved in.

I think it's one of the few areas that it is REQUIRED to be involved in by the U.S. Constitution!

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According to a Zogby Poll, if a head to head election were held today, Hillary Clinton would lose to: Giuliani, Romney, McCain, and even Thompson and Huckabee. In June, she was leading them.

Meanwhile, Obama and Edwards are leading them all right now.

Bear in mind the flaws in polling. People tend to vote idealistically now. Come November, they vote a bit more practically, in the least of evils way. And of course, about half of them don't vote at all.

Minority candidates tend to get more numbers than they do on election day. I attribute this to people feeling a need to lie to anonymous phone callers when asked if they'll vote for a black (and sometimes female) candidates. I don't see a chance for Obama in a real election, but people seem reluctant to say no, I want a candidate that has completed a single term of federal office first. But in the privacy of the poll booth, racism and legitimate fears of his inexperience will cast the nay vote.

Edwards may be leading the same way Gore and Dukakis did. But after 5 months of battle, those two faded (well, Gore faded to a tiny lead over Bush). Still, he's the best candidate for the Democrats.

Clinton - well, no one is afraid to say they don't like her. I think that polling is fairly accurate, but faced with a choice of a bad GOP candidate, many of the Democrats that said nay now will probably swallow deep and vote for her. So she probably gains a couple points over the current values. She might gain quite a few, though I don't believe enough to win a majority of vote or EC votes. (What were the figures for Florida and Ohio? )

You already know the reasons why people dislike her, seems unnecessary to rehash them. People don't like Barbara Boxer much either, but she's lived a blessed life when it comes to who the GOP puts up against her.

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>>>>>>>>>I know there are a lot of people who have problems with Hillary. I'm one of them, but I am having difficulty really enunciating them.

Same with Bill, couldn't refute the gains the counry made, so you defer to irrelevancies.

>>>>>>>>>>>One of the problems I have is that I think I disagree fundamentally with her political viewpoint.

Well yea, one hand you are the guy who says, "PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY" to the homeless child, onthe otehr hand she is the one raising taxes to give him/her a home..... I fully understand, that child's sperm / egg origin should have been more personally responsible upon conception.

>>>>>>>>>>But my best friends are pinko socialists.

Strange bedfellows, a hardcore Republican and pinko socialists.

>>>>>>>>>>>I do think that if I ever met her in person, though, I wouldn't like her one bit.

Yea, she just reeks of raised taxs to pay for everyone's medical care.

>>>>>>>>>>Part of it is the inescapeable notion that I have that she just is not a genuine individual. Obama I like a lot because the dude is pretty real and lacks pretense. He says it like it is. Hillary, on the other hand, is great with general ideas but lacking in details.

Thank you, this is my point, you've yet to post substance, just rhetoric and when posted publicly; propaganda.

>>>>>>>>>>Also, I get the feeling that Hillary, like Gore, is really convinced that she is smarter and better than anyone out there, and thinks that she knows more than anyone what is best for us.

Hmmmm, was FDR likeable? WHO GIVES A FUCK? And you're a lawyer? Oh, wait, yea, lawyers do that, distract from the substance to get carried away on a semantic journey to nowhere.

>>>>>>>>>>With her husband, dammit, the guy was likeable. He was the sort of guy who would be self-deprecating and, like Reagan, I just couldn't help but like the guy.

At least you have continuity, you continue to post rhetoric w/o substance. Who cares if either was likeable? Let's look at performance, you know the little thing in contracts?

Reagan:

- Trippled the debt by assuming a slight increase in deficit spending, yet immediately turning it into 250B per year.

- Busted unions and employees ability to freely organize and contract.

- Left huge unemployment

- Cut taxes, esp for rich

Clinton:

- inherited 250B per year deficit, flatened it and left surplus

- inherited 7% unemp and left 4%

- gave tax credits for education

- allowed gays to remain in the military if they kept quit

- brought the world to hate us less


Sorry for interjecting substance.

>>>>>>>>>>>I really can't explain why I don't like Hillary. If you don't like her, tell us why.

AKA, let's bash her for no reason but to agree that we won't for her, since we know she will win the primary and we don't want some GD dem in there giving our money to the poor.

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I don't like her attitude that the government can do better for Joe Citizen than he can do for himself. I'm anti government health care, anti gun control, and anti minimum wage. I just don't think it's the place of the government to regulate the relationship between patients and doctors, the relationship between employees and employers, or the ability of a person to protect himself when his life is threatened. Hillary apparently thinks that the government can help people better than they can help themselves, and, since I've never really seen the government do anything with any amount of reason, efficiency or effectiveness, I have my doubts.

Absolutely, couldn't agree more, just leave it to corporations and they will take care of us as they have. You know, takecare of our pensions, our wages, our pathetic medical care, everything.

Uh, counselor to be, can't you see that w/o government intervention the corps would impoverish the poor? Or is it that you can see that and find it ideal?

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I want a President who approaches things from a "What's right?" perspective, not a "What can I get away with?" perspective. I don't think she fits that bill.

I think out of all the candidates, Ron Paul comes closest.

Corps cheat the fuck out of the people with what little gov intervention we have, what, do you really think that w/o any gov that they would fly straight? You gotta be shittin me.

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My problem with Hill is real simple. She put up with her lieing, cheating husband forever. There's only one reason a woman in her position would do that...power. She knew that if she walked on Willy after Monica her political life was over. Goes to character. I don't trust her.

Yea, seriously, nevermind her voting record, let's examine her sex life when deciding if she would make a good president. Oh, BTW, MENSA called, they said you can keep your reasoning.

[rushmc 23]

Have you ever thought of taking anger management counseling?

You should......

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Plenty of relationships have survived cheating. We don't know why Hillary stayed with Bill. It could've been for power. It could've been that her marriage vows actually meant something to her.

I've fucked around on my GF of 17 years, she got over it .

At least that way she didn't have to fuck me, she should have sent the girl a card. I know I did.

Here I find myself reading postings from so-called intelects, lawyers, law school attendees, other professionals and all they have to qualify a potential president is how she eacyed to her hubby fucking around, or if she's a bitch or not. So much for intellectual people. In case you forgot, she is currently a Senator, so perhaps you could try the scientific model and actually evaluate her performance, voting record, etc.

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>>>>>>>>>I know there are a lot of people who have problems with Hillary. I'm one of them, but I am having difficulty really enunciating them.

Same with Bill, couldn't refute the gains the counry made, so you defer to irrelevancies.

>>>>>>>>>>>One of the problems I have is that I think I disagree fundamentally with her political viewpoint.

Well yea, one hand you are the guy who says, "PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY" to the homeless child, onthe otehr hand she is the one raising taxes to give him/her a home..... I fully understand, that child's sperm / egg origin should have been more personally responsible upon conception.

>>>>>>>>>>But my best friends are pinko socialists.

Strange bedfellows, a hardcore Republican and pinko socialists.

>>>>>>>>>>>I do think that if I ever met her in person, though, I wouldn't like her one bit.

Yea, she just reeks of raised taxs to pay for everyone's medical care.

>>>>>>>>>>Part of it is the inescapeable notion that I have that she just is not a genuine individual. Obama I like a lot because the dude is pretty real and lacks pretense. He says it like it is. Hillary, on the other hand, is great with general ideas but lacking in details.

Thank you, this is my point, you've yet to post substance, just rhetoric and when posted publicly; propaganda.

>>>>>>>>>>Also, I get the feeling that Hillary, like Gore, is really convinced that she is smarter and better than anyone out there, and thinks that she knows more than anyone what is best for us.

Hmmmm, was FDR likeable? WHO GIVES A FUCK? And you're a lawyer? Oh, wait, yea, lawyers do that, distract from the substance to get carried away on a semantic journey to nowhere.

>>>>>>>>>>With her husband, dammit, the guy was likeable. He was the sort of guy who would be self-deprecating and, like Reagan, I just couldn't help but like the guy.

At least you have continuity, you continue to post rhetoric w/o substance. Who cares if either was likeable? Let's look at performance, you know the little thing in contracts?

Reagan:

- Trippled the debt by assuming a slight increase in deficit spending, yet immediately turning it into 250B per year.

- Busted unions and employees ability to freely organize and contract.

- Left huge unemployment

- Cut taxes, esp for rich

Clinton:

- inherited 250B per year deficit, flatened it and left surplus

- inherited 7% unemp and left 4%

- gave tax credits for education

- allowed gays to remain in the military if they kept quit

- brought the world to hate us less


Sorry for interjecting substance.

>>>>>>>>>>>I really can't explain why I don't like Hillary. If you don't like her, tell us why.

AKA, let's bash her for no reason but to agree that we won't for her, since we know she will win the primary and we don't want some GD dem in there giving our money to the poor.

Substance????

Oh shit, I should have real all of your post first

Good stuff

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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If you don't like her, tell us why.

I don't really care if she is or is not the most qualified person.

I don't like her for the duel monarchy aspect of Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton. That's simply too much power in the hands of too few families in too short of a period of time. I wish it would have stopped with the 43rd President, but I'm willing to let it stop with the 44th.

I am a lifetime, dyed in the wool, multi-generational Democrat and I won't vote for her in the primary. I simply can't do that.

I see your point and I will vote for Edwards in the primary, but what if she wins the Pri, will you vote in the enemy? Republicans like Ron Paul supporters, shall we call them closet Repubs, should reg Dem and vote in Obama in the primaries, as the racist yellow dogs would go Nazi (Reoub) in the general if he wins the primary.

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She seeths with contempt for the general populace, especially those who have her figured out, but also, those who she thinks will be her biggest voting block.

She is a dyed in the wool socialist in a capitalist world, but knows in her heart that socialism only works under the heavy hand of govt. and pretends to be anything but what she is.

I never want to hear a State of the Union address in that screechy, know it all voice.

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She doesn't know what she stands for. The debate in front of Tim Russert is proof of this.

Also, I truly believe that she is taking the democratic nomination for granted. She is expecting smooth sailing and she's genuinely flustered that she's not getting a pass during these debates and primaries.

I think that she is going to get a rude awakening in Iowa.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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I don't like her attitude that the government can do better for Joe Citizen than he can do for himself. I'm anti government health care, anti gun control, and anti minimum wage. I just don't think it's the place of the government to regulate the relationship between patients and doctors, the relationship between employees and employers, or the ability of a person to protect himself when his life is threatened. Hillary apparently thinks that the government can help people better than they can help themselves, and, since I've never really seen the government do anything with any amount of reason, efficiency or effectiveness, I have my doubts.

Pretty tough talk for someone who just got a job as a grants specialist for the mayor.

OMG, that' MF funny. Ms., "I hate big gov" is part of the machine she denounces. Well, I've always said that we are all hypocrites.

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Pretty tough talk for someone who just got a job as a grants specialist for the mayor.

I work in homeland security grants. I think that the security of the nation is one of the few areas that the federal government should be involved in. I'm not saying it's not completely screwed up. It is. I just don't think there's anyone else other than the federal government that would be appropriate to take on the role of managing national security.

Nightingale says: Big gov is bad, except for payday

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I don't like her attitude that the government can do better for Joe Citizen than he can do for himself. I'm anti government health care, anti gun control, and anti minimum wage. I just don't think it's the place of the government to regulate the relationship between patients and doctors, the relationship between employees and employers, or the ability of a person to protect himself when his life is threatened. Hillary apparently thinks that the government can help people better than they can help themselves, and, since I've never really seen the government do anything with any amount of reason, efficiency or effectiveness, I have my doubts.

Pretty tough talk for someone who just got a job as a grants specialist for the mayor.

Sickeningly the image of Larry Craig sitting in a shitter stall, tapping the foot of the guy next to him thinking, "dirty faggots" flashes into my head. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, make it stop, mommy.

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