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Twice I have seen raids at Westpark and 59! And you should see the rats run like hell!!!!!!!!

Cool. But... but... if they're not illegal, as the liberals here imply, then why would they run?

Has nothing to do with being a "liberal". This issue is wierd that way. I am liberal on some issues, but when it comes to illegal immigration, I say enforce the law.

You will find that neo-cons like illegal immigration just as much as libs, but for different reasons.

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>why don't they ask to see your electrical / plumbing / etc licensing

Why would they do that? Home Depot's primary customer base are homeowners who do NOT have trade licenses.

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illegals send roughly 28-billion U.S. dollars annually back to Mexico.

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**If, I might add: Western Union, who almost went bankrupt, a few years ago, is now showing a large profit from wiring money to Mexico. Along with such banks as Bank of America.
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That's why Mexico actually helps them leave their home country. They alleviate their own unemployment problem, they no longer have to provide services for them, and they get free cash back in return.
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**The Mexican govt., prints a leaflet for those wanting to cross our border illegally. In the pamphlet, it tells how to survive the desert along with which items to carry to help in their travels. Also, 'coyotes' get paid from the Mexican government to help smuggle them in to this country.
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America, on the other hand, gets stuck providing for their health care, education and infrastructure needs, while getting no taxes from them to help pay for it, since they're mostly paid under the table and off the books.

What a deal!
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**It boils-down to the fact that we are being led by the nose by the Mexican government, big business as well as our government!
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If you get a chance to see this movie, I highly recommend it.

http://www.bordermovie.com/

I went to a special showing, and it was excellent. They talk about things like the "rape trees" created by the coyotes, that smuggle the illegal immigrants into the country. The story started when the border patrol would find a tree inside the border with women's panties hanging all over it. After interviewing many immigrants who had been captured, the explanation came out. It turns out that these are prize souvineers of the coyotes, who routinely rape their women charges, and then brag about how many panties they have on their rape tree, to other coyotes.

Illegal immigration doesn't just hurt America. It hurts the immigrants too. Their bodies and souls litter the southwest.

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**Illegal alien smuggling is 'big business' in Mexico. Besides the smuggling of illegals, we have border towns along the Texas border, where drive-by killings are an almost daily occurance. The drug lords are vying for control of our border towns so as to make it easier to get dope into this country.
Looong gone, are the days of the poor migrant worker who just wanted to better himself and his family. Now, it's all about the 'cash' and in many cases, the illegals are the victims. This country, cannot stand the strain of millions of illegals coming here. We're slowly but surely, selling-out to Mexico.


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>Construction sites that use these guys undermine the attempts of
>the unions to build a strong economy.

Nowadays unions have one purpose - to get more for themselves and their members. That's it. Claiming that unions want to "build a strong economy" is like claiming that Enron just wants to provide hardworking americans with affordable power. Unions don't care if they bankrupt the company they are taking action against as long as they get another $1.13 an hour for the guy who holds up the "SLOW" sign.

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I'm curious to know why it pisses you off--I'm not agreeing or disagreeing at this point, but without the specific "why" I have a hard time responding.

It pisses me off because all my family came thru Ellis Island many yrs. ago. LEGALLY. And worked their asses off to help make this country what it is. (well WAS)

I would guess that many of them are or were union, paid taxes, spent the money in the community, sent their kids to the schools they paid for. It's the local people that supports a community, not the illegals that send the money south of the border. My own family has been here since before 1800.
I worked in Mexico for 7 months. I was contracted to inspect the railroad system. I would see boxcars and gondolas packed with mexicans heading for the border (I have pictures of them and should post them). The guys we worked with down there dispised the border jumpers and saw them as traitors to their own country. They saw them as people who were not willing to help their own country. Illegals are traitors to their country and an enemy of the working American.

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I've heard the same complaint from citizens of this country, who are of Mexican heritage. They want to know, "what are we going to do about the illegals!" The illegals are taking jobs from them, also.
I've personally seen, what you mentioned about 'shoddy workmanship' by illegal construction crews, right here in my area. 150 - 250,000 dollar homes that begin to fall apart within a years time. New business buildings, falling apart. The crews that built them were mostly illegals. I looked closely at some of those homes and I still wonder at how they passed 'inspections'. I guess, if folks want to pay that much for a home and continually have to 'repair' it... they get what they pay for. We're going to see more and more of that if, we keep going the way we are.


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>Construction sites that use these guys undermine the attempts of
>the unions to build a strong economy.

Nowadays unions have one purpose - to get more for themselves and their members. That's it. Claiming that unions want to "build a strong economy" is like claiming that Enron just wants to provide hardworking americans with affordable power. Unions don't care if they bankrupt the company they are taking action against as long as they get another $1.13 an hour for the guy who holds up the "SLOW" sign.

Or write TV comedies.

Back when unions were strong more Americans had company paid health care and pensions. Aren't you glad we got rid of them damn unions?

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'shoddy workmanship'

Shoddy workmanship occurs in unions just as much as it may occur with these illegals. Anytime someone wants to cut corners to get the job done faster and cheaper, shoddy workmanship will occur. Unions and their members are some of the most selfish lazy workers you will ever find around. Defending unions is just as laughable as defending illegal immigration and it's cheap labor.

PS: That last statement was generic and not in reference to anything 'masterrig' said.

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They guarantee that a strong wind will not rip the roof and siding off of your building.

You just made that up, right?

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With the trades unions you get the best in craftsmanship.

Quality craftsmanship and trade unions are not mutually exclusive.

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You may not have ever been union and that's fine.

I was a member of the IBEW for more than three years. Trade unions oppose free markets. They seek to monopolize labor. Unions want you to have no choice. Their motto can be: "Employ us or go out of business; join us or be out of work."

Personally I prefer to negotiate my own terms of employment. I believe in performance-based pay. I wish not to be compelled to have a "middleman" conduct my affairs.

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LOL. Come to my local union hall and say that. You won't leave alive. Trust me.

And that one line pretty much sums it all up...doesn't it...

Well. You MIGHT leave alive. But in an ambulance. By the way. Anybody see Hoffa lately.

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>why don't they ask to see your electrical / plumbing / etc licensing

Why would they do that? Home Depot's primary customer base are homeowners who do NOT have trade licenses.

In many (most?) places a building permit is required to finish a basement or run any new electrical wiring.

If Home Depot is in the police business they shouldn't be selling Romex to individuals without building permits.

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'shoddy workmanship'

Shoddy workmanship occurs in unions just as much as it may occur with these illegals. Anytime someone wants to cut corners to get the job done faster and cheaper, shoddy workmanship will occur. Unions and their members are some of the most selfish lazy workers you will ever find around. Defending unions is just as laughable as defending illegal immigration and it's cheap labor.

PS: That last statement was generic and not in reference to anything 'masterrig' said.

What's the old story? Don't buy a car made on monday or friday! You know, it might be different if, we were just getting this enormous migration of folks from south of our border who 'just want to work'. BUT, we are getting an enormous number of criminals along with them. Again, we have no idea who is crossing our border. There was a story recently in the Washington Post, about some terrorists who crossed into this country through a tunnel. Weapons had been brought through somewhere along the Arizona border and the 'two' were to meet at a designated point. We don't know if this story is true or not but, it is possible. Simply because, we don't 'protect' our border. Some very sophisticated tunnel systems, used for getting drugs into this country have been discovered going under the border at California. This attitude by some of; 'Let 'em in... they just want to improve their lives!', needs to be looked at a bit closer. Why don't we just say that about the rest of the world? We're being predjudiced! It's O.K., for illegals from countries south of our border... why not China, Iran, Iraq or anywhere else?


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Don't get all pissed off at the illegals, what about the people that hire them. It's simple supply and demand. There is demand for cheap labor and the illegals supply it.

Brilliant comparison John, I'd expect nothing less. While we're on the subject of foolish comparisons lets not forget the crazy conservative republican gun nuts that go rub down their guns every night, ok?

To everybody else: Are DOT road construction employees in a union? If so, they're a model of inefficiency and few are mexican. On the other hand, looking at them, I'd say they appear to have the highest probability of robbing me or breaking into my house.

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>Construction sites that use these guys undermine the attempts of
>the unions to build a strong economy.

Nowadays unions have one purpose - to get more for themselves and their members. That's it. Claiming that unions want to "build a strong economy" is like claiming that Enron just wants to provide hardworking americans with affordable power. Unions don't care if they bankrupt the company they are taking action against as long as they get another $1.13 an hour for the guy who holds up the "SLOW" sign.

You are so wrong. I got a 10% raise over 5 yrs. And it is nice having insurance. And i'll be the first one to run someone off a job if he/she is not doing 1st rate work or malingering or loafing.

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>why don't they ask to see your electrical / plumbing / etc licensing

Why would they do that? Home Depot's primary customer base are homeowners who do NOT have trade licenses.

In many (most?) places a building permit is required to finish a basement or run any new electrical wiring.

If Home Depot is in the police business they shouldn't be selling Romex to individuals without building permits.

As a home owner you can pull your own permits and do any work you wish as long as it is to code and passes inspection.

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

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Nobody's saying "just let them in".

We're saying, "improve the process to allow people people to come into the US so they can be appropriately documented and taxed".

To everyone else that likes to say, "my parents came through Ellis Island, there's NO similarity between me and other immigrants, blah, blah, blah," why don't you guys tell us (specifically, please) what the process is to legally immigrate to the US.

We'll use Mexico as a starting place for this exercise, assume no prior criminal background, and a middle class income.

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'shoddy workmanship'

Shoddy workmanship occurs in unions just as much as it may occur with these illegals.

Can you prove that, or are you just talking out your ass?

The thing is, when your work is done by a licensed, bonded worker, you may have some recourse if the work is sub-par. When Jose skips town, you are just plain fucked.

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>Construction sites that use these guys undermine the attempts of
>the unions to build a strong economy.

Nowadays unions have one purpose - to get more for themselves and their members. That's it. Claiming that unions want to "build a strong economy" is like claiming that Enron just wants to provide hardworking americans with affordable power. Unions don't care if they bankrupt the company they are taking action against as long as they get another $1.13 an hour for the guy who holds up the "SLOW" sign.

You are so wrong. I got a 10% raise over 5 yrs. And it is nice having insurance. And i'll be the first one to run someone off a job if he/she is not doing 1st rate work or malingering or loafing.

What I don't understand about some folks is, They, personally, 'expect' high wages and to be at the top of the 'ladder' because, they are 'professionals'. Yet, a 'skilled tradesman' should not be allowed the same thing. Are skilled trades, beneath doctors, lawyers, judges, businessmen and etc.? Without skilled trades, where would we be? Oh, yeah... we have illegals to do that! You damned right, it's nice to have insurance for your wife and kiddoes! While more and more businesses are cutting-out 'benefits' for their employees by cutting hours so they are not under the 'full-time employee' status, therefore, they don't have to afford their help, 'benefits'. Meanwhile, the fat get fatter and the poor get poorer.
I am not saying, 'professional' people don't work hard. I'm saying, 'skilled trades' work hard also and should be allowed to benefit from their hard work, also. As for 'shoddy workmanship', you can find that in any business or trade. The fat-cats get away with it because, they have the money and the power. JMO


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Nobody's saying "just let them in".

We're saying, "improve the process to allow people people to come into the US so they can be appropriately documented and taxed".

To everyone else that likes to say, "my parents came through Ellis Island, there's NO similarity between me and other immigrants, blah, blah, blah," why don't you guys tell us (specifically, please) what the process is to legally immigrate to the US.

We'll use Mexico as a starting place for this exercise, assume no prior criminal background, and a middle class income.

.jim

I don't care about some petty offenses as long as they have learned the error of their ways. Middle class. Don't care as long as they want to work and contribute to the host country. I have many black, mexican, rican, cuban ,polish, chek, you name it, aquaintenses. As I stated before every time I have the pleasure of meeting a policeman they want me to produce ID. I usually refuse unless I'm driving. They want me to produce documents, why not everybody else? The system needs reform for sure but as I am not in a position of power so there isn't much I can do. On the other hand I think sometimes we need to seal the borders, become isolationist, educate our children better and keep all the work here for the people that are here. To many fuckin people anymore. Try to drive in any big city. It SUCKS. I could go on and on but I hate typing. And my spelling sucks so don't anybody go there.

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Nobody's saying "just let them in".

We're saying, "improve the process to allow people people to come into the US so they can be appropriately documented and taxed".

To everyone else that likes to say, "my parents came through Ellis Island, there's NO similarity between me and other immigrants, blah, blah, blah," why don't you guys tell us (specifically, please) what the process is to legally immigrate to the US.

We'll use Mexico as a starting place for this exercise, assume no prior criminal background, and a middle class income.

.jim

We don't need to 'improve the process'. The laws pertaining to 'the process' are on the books already. Those laws are just not being enforced. We've tied the hands of the Border Patrol. Those laws are posted on the 'world-wide web' as well as the procedure to become a 'legal' citizen. Look it up!
What a lot of folks who live far away from our Southwest border aren't seeing is, the crime and corruption crossing our border on a regular basis. While you're on the 'world-wide web', check-out Laredo, Texas... see what you find. That's just a part of the problem. Not just Texas, but New Mexico, Arizona and California. Check-out what's going on and then, consider the fact that all that, is filtering into all our cities and towns throughout this country.


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Like the slaves 'picking cotton and tobacco' union?

Or the Chinese 'railroad worker' union?

Or the 'construction workers of the NRA' union that built the national highway system, bridges and dams during the depression?

I'm not a union hater..but lets be honest, America was 'built' on the backs of people working for pennies trying to make a better life for themselves.

As a long time Teamster I understand the need and power of collective bargaining, but in today's world, for the most part unions are a leach on the 'working man'...

When I worked in aerospace, at a non-union factory...our benefits and wages were equal to if not better than similar union shops, and we always had a paycheck coming in because we didn't have to strike to help out our union 'brothers'.

The problem isn't immigration...it's illegal immigration.

Put monster heavy fines on anyone hiring an undocumented worker and level the playing field that way.

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30 Mexicans standing in a semi huddle out front. Gauaran FUCKING T not a one had a green card. Every time I talk to a cop they want my fuckin ID. WTF. And it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know they are illegal. Pisses me off. ARRGHHh

Just shout in a loud clear voice "Viene la Migra!!"

Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

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>We don't need to 'improve the process'.

We really do. Right now there is next to zero chance that a guy from Tijuana can get a work permit in the US within a year of application. So they come here illegally instead, because they want work.

I think everyone who wants to work here should have the chance to do so legally. If you give them legal channels, they will use them, and it will be easier to keep out the illegal immigrants/freeloaders/criminals who cause all the problems.

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>If Home Depot is in the police business they shouldn't be selling
>Romex to individuals without building permits.

Fortunately, they're not. Most of the permitting process is a lot of bureaucratic nonsense; it's fortunate you don't really need them to do basic home repair.

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I don't understand why Home Depot allows this on their property.

Other mysteries about Home Depot:
* why don't they check your zoning permits
* why don't they ask to see your electrical / plumbing / etc licensing

Houston has no zoning. That is why housing is cheaper here than other cities. And why would HD care about trades licenses?

Do they really not have ANY zoning? When I was studying city planning in the 80's, Houston was always held up as the poster city for bad planning. There were field excursions to go see in person everything a city should not be.

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Nobody's saying "just let them in".

We're saying, "improve the process to allow people people to come into the US so they can be appropriately documented and taxed".

To everyone else that likes to say, "my parents came through Ellis Island, there's NO similarity between me and other immigrants, blah, blah, blah," why don't you guys tell us (specifically, please) what the process is to legally immigrate to the US.

We'll use Mexico as a starting place for this exercise, assume no prior criminal background, and a middle class income.

.jim

I don't care about some petty offenses as long as they have learned the error of their ways. Middle class. Don't care as long as they want to work and contribute to the host country. I have many black, mexican, rican, cuban ,polish, chek, you name it, aquaintenses. As I stated before every time I have the pleasure of meeting a policeman they want me to produce ID. I usually refuse unless I'm driving. They want me to produce documents, why not everybody else? The system needs reform for sure but as I am not in a position of power so there isn't much I can do. On the other hand I think sometimes we need to seal the borders, become isolationist, educate our children better and keep all the work here for the people that are here. To many fuckin people anymore. Try to drive in any big city. It SUCKS. I could go on and on but I hate typing. And my spelling sucks so don't anybody go there.

It's really sad to see our 'purple mountains majesty' and 'fruited plains' being eaten-up by 'urban sprawl'. I'm tired of seeing this country 'cater' to illegals and the country they come from. I think, if, they have the right to protest in OUR streets, we should be able to protest 'them', in OUR streets!!! We really do, have a 'voice' in this country and we need to let our politicians know that. There's a lot we can do but, I don't see too many doing it. We need to re-gain our soveriegnty as a nation and quit selling-out. We need to clamp-down on our borders, both North and South. If, law enforcement is going to ask for your ID, they'd better ask for EVERYONE'S ID! (That way, they can't be accused of profiling.) We need to vote out, the politicians who favor illegal aliens and the businesses who hire them. That's who, any illegals who might vote, are going to vote for. Like so many who have said it in these forums... fine the hell out of employers who hire illegals. Give back, the authority to the Border Patrol to enforce our immigration laws. JMO


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