"Having Children is Selfish"?

[steve1 5]

The woman in the news article is undoubtedly a bit off.

But she does have a point. What direction are we headed on Planet Earth? It doesn't look too rosy to me. Huge problems, that we are faced with daily, are simply the cause of overpopulation.

Yet there are still those who think it's okay to have huge families. There are still churches advocating no birth control. None of that makes sense to me!

We could all cut back on things, in an effort to save our resources. There's no doubt most of us consume a hell of a lot in America. But that won't help much if our population keeps climbing.

I don't want the government telling me how many kids I can have. But if people aren't smart enough to do it on their own, maybe that is what will happen next.....

Or we can wait for for starvation, disease, and war to bring our population down....I suspect this is what will probably happen. I'd sure like to think we were smart enough to change that.

I'm sure an opinionated, depressing, old bastard, aren't I. But I don't think I'm too far off on all this...

[tbrown 26]

Having kids is not selfish. It can unfortunately be carelessly done, or done for the wrong reasons.

But most of the people I know who have never had kids didn't because they wanted to keep playing with their own toys instead of growing up.

Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity !

[Darius11 12]

I could not pick from the two options as some times the answer is yes and other times the answer is no.

It is no mystery that with the advances humans have had the population is ever growing as people live longer and die less. The resources are not growing and getting used. So she is right in thinking that more kids will drain more resources.

I totally believe most parents should simply not have been parents, as they do not do a good job. One of the biggest issues I have with parents is this. They think there kids are adorable even when they are a pain in the ass to others. They do not understand that every body thinks there kids are special and the reality is they are not. They’re special to the parents, so if your kids cause others inconvenience then you are not doing a good job of being a parent. As it was you and the your partner who decided to have kids not the people who have to deal with your little shit.




Side story. On the plane back there was a great example.

The so called parents of this little boy who looked to be about 4-6 years old were sitting in a another row and had all 3 of there kids (the oldest might have been 8-9) in a separate row. The kids didn’t shut the fuck up the whole flight screaming. Slamming the window blinds etc.
I wanted to punch the fucking dad in the face, how dare you put your kids away from you so they don’t bug you but are free to bug others. That to me is selfish. I did hear the C$nt sorry “so called mom” say oh their kids just having fun. Some people should have been smothered at birth.

I hate people who expect others to deal with the decisions they have made. Unfortunately that happens a lot. School tax is another great example. Why should someone who doesn’t have kids and does not want kids pay for your kids? I just don’t get it.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[billvon 3,111]

>But most of the people I know who have never had kids didn't because
>they wanted to keep playing with their own toys instead of growing up.

And I knew a few people who had kids because they wanted another toy, instead of growing up. It goes both ways.

[JohnRich 4]

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I wanted to punch the fucking dad in the face...
I did hear the C$nt sorry “so called mom”...
Some people should have been smothered at birth.

Gosh, you're letting your true inner feelings reveal themselves again. A kinder gentler muslim?

Do the world a favor: do not have children of your own. If those kids make you have thoughts like this, then you certainly can't handle them in your own home.

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School tax is another great example. Why should someone who doesn’t have kids and does not want kids pay for your kids? I just don’t get it.

Because educating children is everyone's responsibility, for a better future. Someone else helps pay for your kid's education, and then when your kids are grown up, you help pay for someone else's kids. It's "paying it forward".

[pirana 0]

On the micro side of things, it isn't a matter of selfishness or not - just a matter of personal preference of what you decide to do with your life. If there are people that think their personal decision to not have children will somehow save the planet - whatever that means - then maybe it is best their genes are not passed on.

The planet will never need saving or be saved by humans. Quite the opposite - the planet might save us.

On a macro scale though, it's called survival of the species and let's hope not having children doesn't suddenly start appealing to everybody.

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

[Darius11 12]

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Gosh, you're letting your true inner feelings reveal themselves again. A kinder gentler muslim?

John I consider my self Human first but I am sure you would miss that part. Also what I do is not a reflection of all Muslims but only a reflection of me. I know these concepts are very hard for you to understand.

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Do the world a favor: do not have children of your own. If those kids make you have thoughts like this, then you certainly can't handle them in your own home.

Right now that is the decision I have made. Not because I would be a bad parent but because I tend do thing right or not at all. I don’t let social pursuer, or what is considered “the norm” dictate what I should do. I also understand how much time, effort, and money kids take and would consider my self a irresponsible human being if I decided to have kids when I can not put the time and energy to bring up decent humane beings.

I don’t believe giving your parents grand kids, or continuing your line and last name are legitimate reason for having kids.

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Because educating children is everyone's responsibility, for a better future. Someone else helps pay for your kid's education, and then when your kids are grown up, you help pay for someone else's kids. It's "paying it forward".

Once again you missed the point.

What if you don't want kids?


Is that a crime?

What if you don’t want to follow the same boring line that has been set and followed year after year?

Why should I pay for someone else’s kid, when I have no say in how they are bringing their kids up?

Is it not irresponsible and inconsiderate for parents to take money from people (directly or indirectly) to support their kids?

Are they going make my car payment for 12 years as a thank you?



What was you unselfish reason for having children John (you peaceful loving Christian you)?

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[SpeedRacer 1]

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The planet will never need saving or be saved by humans.

Not necessarily true. If another enormous asteroid were to target planet Earth, right now we are the only species that could potentially do something about that.

That one event would essentially "redeem" human beings for all the damage we have done to this planet so far.

Speed Racer
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[Shotgun 1]

I suspect that it is to your benefit to live in a place where children are growing up with at least a minimum of education, whether you choose to have children or not. If you want to change the law so that education for kids is not a requirement, then we could probably do away with school tax, but I'm betting that you'll have a lot more to complain about in that situation.

[billvon 3,111]

>Do the world a favor: do not have children of your own.

Your one warning.

[Darius11 12]

I think I write in English and I write well enough for my point to be understood but I must be doing something wrong.

I did not say children should not be educated. What I did say was this.

People should be responsible for there own actions, if you decide to have a child you should be a responsible adult by first seeing if you can afford a child, and other people who did not make that decision should not be paying for your decision.

That is a simple concept and accepted in most other categories in life. You make the financial arrangements for your decision.

As mentioned before. I don’t expect others to pay for my expenses and they don’t. Why is having children an exception?

Why should I pay for your child’s education when I have no say in what the child does or how he/she is brought up?


Having children is not mandatory

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[JohnRich 4]

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Do the world a favor: do not have children of your own. If those kids make you have thoughts like this, then you certainly can't handle them in your own home.

Right now that is the decision I have made. Not because I would be a bad parent...

Well, if being stuck on an airplane with a couple of unruly kids for a few hours makes you have thoughts of suffocating babies, then I don't think you have the proper temperament to be a good father. Does your girlfriend, for whom you just purchased that diamond ring, know that you have these kinds of thoughts? What would you do when you came home from a long, hard day at work, looking to relax and sleep, only to be greeted by a baby that cries all night?

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Because educating children is everyone's responsibility, for a better future. Someone else helps pay for your kid's education, and then when your kids are grown up, you help pay for someone else's kids. It's "paying it forward".

Once again you missed the point. What if you don't want kids? Why should I pay for someone else’s kid?

Same answer, again. Because you should have an interest in ensuring that all citizens of your country are educated, for the betterment of all. It's just like paying taxes for numerous other purposes, which better everyone's life. You don't get to pick and choose which projects your taxes will support. It's a package deal.

If you disagree with the way your taxes are spent, then you need to notify your elected representatives, and join advocacy groups, to make your opinions heard, and try and do something about it.

That's how democracy works.

[rehmwa 2]

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Well, if being stuck on an airplane with a couple of unruly kids for a few hours makes you have thoughts of suffocating babies,

cripes, John, Darius always says "tough" things to make a point. I don't believe you want to take it literally. A lot of posters are posers this way - you have to take what they say with a grain a salt.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[ExAFO 0]

I object to stupid people indiscriminately breeding. Other than that, Better someone else than me.

Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

[usedtajump 1]

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What would you do when you came home from a long, hard day at work, looking to relax and sleep, only to be greeted by a baby that cries all night?

Damn the environment, who needs any better reason than that not to have kids ......... uh, and that's only the beginning.

The older I get the less I care who I piss off.

[Butters 0]

Toni says ...

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"Having children is selfish. It's all about maintaining your genetic line at the expense of the planet," says Toni. Every person who is born uses more food, more water, more land, more fossil fuels, more trees and produces more rubbish, more pollution, more greenhouse gases, and adds to the problem of over-population..."

Butters hears ...

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"Living is selfish. It's all about maintaining your life at the expense of the planet," says Toni. Every person who lives uses more food, more water, more land, more fossil fuels, more trees and produces more rubbish, more pollution, more greenhouse gases, and adds to the problem of over-population..."

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

[Darius11 12]

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Well, if being stuck on an airplane with a couple of unruly kids for a few hours makes you have thoughts of suffocating babies,

cripes, John, Darius always says "tough" things to make a point. I don't believe you want to take it literally. A lot of posters are posers this way - you have to take what they say with a grain a salt.

Sorry for the late replay but since I was called a poser here I figured I might as well replay.
It seems as usual people imagination take over what has been stated. Having thoughts of slapping an inconsiderate parent, or killing the driver who just cut you off are just thoughts, that all of us have. Well maybe not all of us but the imperfect ones like my self who don’t live in our little PC world.

I often have violent, sexual, happy, depressed Etc. Thoughts about my self and others around me. So not acting on the many thoughts that most of us have is not being a poser at least not in my world.
You see I am a bit different then most always have been. I don’t sugar coat, or kiss ass, I just say it how it is.

So in my thoughts I really wanted to choke the selfish inconsiderate parents……………god that would feel so good.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[rehmwa 2]

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So not acting on the many thoughts that most of us have is not being a poser at least not in my world.

Acting on those thoughts would be something different and very criminal. My point to John is just because you talk (write) that way doesn't mean you actually do those things in real life. (also your point)

IMO, just talking (writing) like a tough guy is posing. That's all. Lots of "tough guys" on forums. It's expected. Most of you guys are really super decent in person and don't even mouth off to that extent. I think you are just trying to communicate that you feel pretty intensely about the topic (whatever it is).

But, be real, it's not 'direct talk' - it's excess exclamation points!!@!!!!!!! and totally extraneous !!!!!?!!!!**!&!!!! It's more like people that drop off profanity every other word. They mistakenly think it gives them status. And you don't need either - you communicate pretty well. I'm impressed with the content of one's character and opinions, not how big they can puff out their chest or how loud or rudely they say what they are thinking.

FYI - actually, very few people have that level of thoughts about others around them.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[Darius11 12]

That’s it you ass………………….lets fight right now…what your scared ha………..why you walking away from me man why you walking away………………that’s right that’s right bring it……………………………………I feel so manly right now.




Yea I was just trying to express the amount of frustration I felt.

You know it is not the kids, kids are kids. It is the parents. Its like when your neighbors dog poops in your yard over and over again. It is not the dog that your mad at but the owner who should know better.
What frustrates me the most is people lack of consideration, and unfortunately many parents don’t even see it when it comes to their kids. To them they’re being cute and having fun. They don’t seem to get that the public who has to deal with your kid likes kids that are polite and act accordingly to where they are.

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FYI - actually, very few people have that level of thoughts about others around them.

Wow I guess me and everyone I know are the only people who have had violent thoughts about others. This sounds like a great poll.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[Butters 0]

It used to be someones bark was worse than their bite ... now it is someones bytes are worse than their bite.

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

[popsjumper 2]

Don't let John bug you man...he's well known for...

twisting things and putting words in other's mouths as you can see from his mention of you smothering babies when you were talking about the parents.

and for bringing up the religious angle out of nowhere.

But he means well, I'm sure. You gotta admit that oftentimes his comments generate a lot of discussion!


I don't know that "selfish" is the word but contributing to overpopulation is not a good thing in the long run. I figure a major pandemic will smooth things out in the not-too-distant future...either that or a major war of some sort.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[JohnRich 4]

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Acting on those thoughts would be something different and very criminal... just because you talk (write) that way doesn't mean you actually do those things in real life.

In order for those words to appear in his message, they had to come to his fingers through his brain. In order for those words to come from his brain, he had to think them. In order to think them, they had to come from his psyche. And anyone who has a psyche that internally wishes they could smother babies, even if they don't act out those thoughts, is disturbing, in my opinion.

[JohnRich 4]

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Don't let John bug you man...he's well known for... twisting things and putting words in other's mouths as you can see from his mention of you smothering babies when you were talking about the parents.

Here's the earlier quote:

"The kids didn’t shut the fuck up the whole flight screaming. Slamming the window blinds etc. I wanted to punch the fucking dad in the face, how dare you put your kids away from you so they don’t bug you but are free to bug others. That to me is selfish. I did hear the C$nt sorry “so called mom” say oh their kids just having fun. Some people should have been smothered at birth."

Yes, he may have been talking about the cunt-mom, but he still said that she should have been smothered at birth - in other words, when she was a baby. So it's about smothering babies, regardless of which ones. Just because the baby in question would be a future mom with screaming kids, doesn't make the suggestion of smothering the baby any less repugnant.

Isn't it ironic how I get crap for speaking out against smothering babies, while the person who suggested that is defended? Yeah, we've got a lot of people on high moral ground here.

P.S. Does every mom who has kids that sometimes scream in public, deserve to be called a "cunt"? That would pretty much included every woman on earth who has ever been a mom...

[Guest]

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What I think is selfish are the people who have children and don't make them their priority in life.

hear, hear, hear.

mh
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"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

[nerdgirl 0]

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Does every mom who has kids that sometimes scream in public, deserve to be called a "cunt"?

No.

VR/Marg

Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters.
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