shropshire 0 #1 November 20, 2007 QuoteA shooting victim who repeatedly misled police because he was terrified about retribution from his attackers was jailed yesterday for perverting the course of justice. clicky (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #2 November 20, 2007 Quote you shaking your head at the scared victim for not upholding his responsibility to society or shaking it at the establishment which locked him up (I think there's room to shake you head at both, but the victim is being selfish at the potential expense of the criminal creating MORE victims due to their inaction) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #3 November 20, 2007 Quote Quote A shooting victim who repeatedly misled police because he was terrified about retribution from his attackers was jailed yesterday for perverting the course of justice. Well. If he had a firearm and killed the attacker this would all be a moot point. Wouldn't it? clicky I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #4 November 20, 2007 The later.... what possible useful purpose could there be in locking the guy up.... unless there is wauy more to the story. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #5 November 20, 2007 I partially agree with that. however, do you have no issue with someone not stepping up and identifying a criminal that might go and do it to someone else - maybe many people? ok - i read the link - it's even WORSE, he purposely gave false information the mislead the investigation. Lock him up not only could the shooter have gone uncaught, but even an innocent could have been arrested instead ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #6 November 20, 2007 QuoteI partially agree with that. however, do you have no issue with someone not stepping up and identifying a criminal that might go and do it to someone else - maybe many people? I have no problem with the victim. He has a right to effective self defense which he was doing the best he could especially with a government that severely limits to use of defensive lethal force. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #7 November 20, 2007 Depends how scared they are for themselves and family members etc... (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #8 November 20, 2007 That's what we need even more guns... Contrary to what some of our cousins over the pond think, they [the guns, not the 'mericans.....um] are not the answer to the worlds problems but they dont 'alf appear to cause loads (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #9 November 20, 2007 Quote That's what we need even more guns... Contrary to what some of our cousins over the pond think, they [the guns, not the 'mericans.....um] are not the answer to the worlds problems but they dont 'alf appear to cause loads Well, if you won't give the victim a means to protect himself, don't expect him to put himself in greater danger. He already got shot once, so he can't have great faith in police protecting him or making sure the bad guys don't have guns. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flacid_Monk 0 #10 November 21, 2007 Quote Quote I partially agree with that. however, do you have no issue with someone not stepping up and identifying a criminal that might go and do it to someone else - maybe many people? I have no problem with the victim. He has a right to effective self defense which he was doing the best he could especially with a government that severely limits to use of defensive lethal force. Once a country is so far down the road with guns that America is, i guess the only logical thing would be to arm every single person..... you've already got too many guns floating around being used by criminals, these can't be taken out of reach, so i guess you've only got one option left and that's to arm every single person out there it would be better to not even start down the road that America started down many years ago with guns, but once you've started down that road, there's no turning back so keep going until you're all armed, even the kids in school Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #11 November 21, 2007 Quote Once a country is so far down the road with guns that America is, i guess the only logical thing would be to arm every single person..... you've already got too many guns floating around being used by criminals, these can't be taken out of reach, so i guess you've only got one option left and that's to arm every single person out there hey, yet another sock puppet! Fact: England has plenty of guns floating around, in fact the numbers are growing not shrinking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flacid_Monk 0 #12 November 21, 2007 Quote Quote Once a country is so far down the road with guns that America is, i guess the only logical thing would be to arm every single person..... you've already got too many guns floating around being used by criminals, these can't be taken out of reach, so i guess you've only got one option left and that's to arm every single person out there hey, yet another sock puppet! Fact: England has plenty of guns floating around, in fact the numbers are growing not shrinking. and England is trying to do something about it by banning the ownership of them and then if you're caught in possesion you're going to prison for 5 years yes, we'll never take all the guns off the streets, but we'll keep trying our best to take as many off the streets as possible, and we'll keep prosecuting anybody that we can find who owns an illegal gun you can't stop enforcing the law just because you can't catch everybody who breaks it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #13 November 21, 2007 Quoteyes, we'll never take all the guns off the streets, but we'll keep trying our best to take as many off the streets as possible, and we'll keep prosecuting anybody that we can find who owns an illegal gun Or gets shot by one, apparently. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #14 November 21, 2007 QuoteOnce a country is so far down the road with guns that America is, i guess the only logical thing would be to arm every single person..... you've already got too many guns floating around being used by criminals, these can't be taken out of reach, so i guess you've only got one option left and that's to arm every single person out there Now thats what I am Talkin about.... IF everyone was armed... more people would have to THINK a lot longer when they try to victimize someone.. no more guesswork on the criminals mind if he is pretty sure the other guy has a bigger gun and is a better shot......it sure as hell beats the shit out of places where the only peeople with the guns are the criminals. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flacid_Monk 0 #15 November 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteOnce a country is so far down the road with guns that America is, i guess the only logical thing would be to arm every single person..... you've already got too many guns floating around being used by criminals, these can't be taken out of reach, so i guess you've only got one option left and that's to arm every single person out there Now thats what I am Talkin about.... IF everyone was armed... more people would have to THINK a lot longer when they try to victimize someone.. no more guesswork on the criminals mind if he is pretty sure the other guy has a bigger gun and is a better shot......it sure as hell beats the shit out of places where the only peeople with the guns are the criminals. and everything starts to escalate until you've got petty criminals going "tooled up" to somethign that they wouldn't have taken a gun to normally, but seeing as they'll be facing one once they get there, they might as well have one too!!! it never ends, just spirals further and further out of control Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #16 November 21, 2007 Quoteit never ends, just spirals further and further out of control Mutally Armed Decision making Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #17 November 21, 2007 Quote and everything starts to escalate until you've got petty criminals going "tooled up" to somethign that they wouldn't have taken a gun to normally, but seeing as they'll be facing one once they get there, they might as well have one too!!! That doesn't happen. When criminals think victims will be armed they switch to non-confrontational crimes. When Florida passed their shall-issue concealed carry law robbery went down while simple theft went up. That's good, because insurance will cover my property while it can't undo an injury. When criminals think victims are disarmed they become more bold. Home invasions increased in England and Australia when you guys made it harder to keep guns at home. That's bad. Both ways the criminals get away with loot, but your chances of injury go way up if they do it when you're at home. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #18 November 21, 2007 Quote Shooting victim is jailed for refusing to help police Your title is misleading. 3 demerits for you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #19 November 21, 2007 Quote That's what we need even more guns... Contrary to what some of our cousins over the pond think, they [the guns, not the 'mericans.....um] are not the answer to the worlds problems but they dont 'alf appear to cause loads Oh, absoLUTELY... it's the GUN'S fault, of course ... not the actions of the fuckwit holding it. It would be a whole different story if it were a knife, a cricket bat or a broken bottle - but make it a gun and suddenly it's ALL because of the gun... bullshit.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #20 November 21, 2007 <> Personally, I'm not sure that is right. It 'appears' that most of the shootings over here are by kids and drug related... These people, more than most, do not Stop & Think.... (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #21 November 21, 2007 It was from the Gardien... we can't really expect propa eNglan from Thum. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #22 November 21, 2007 QuoteThese people, more than most, do not Stop & Think.... Probably not....unfortunately.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #23 November 21, 2007 How best to get around that is possibly the larger issue. The 'perception' over here (possibly put about by the media and may not be supported by the facts) is that gun crime is increasing over here (Not to scary numbers - I've never heard of anyone that has even been involved or seen etc..) and 'seems' to be inner city/youth/drug related. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #24 November 21, 2007 Quoteand 'seems' to be inner city/youth/drug related. I remember seeing stats that showed that the majority of the gun deaths in the US were drug/gang related, but I don't recall where I found it at.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #25 November 21, 2007 I quess that it shouldn't come as a surprise and would be the intuative responce but seeing the facts (even government ones) would seal it... Then once 'we' have identified and measured the problem, 'we' could start looking for solutions..... see 6-Sigma really can work (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
