"canned" hunts

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i wondering what the opinion is among hunters of canned hunts. for those that don't know what that is, its where someone has a ranch that is fenced in and has domestic game animals such as deer or elk. they charge lots of money for people to come to their ranch and "hunt". i don't have a problem with them, but wouldn't pay for one. if i was offered to hunt for free, i would take it, the meat would still be tasty. many hunters here in idaho are against them because it isn't fair chase and it isn't sporting. to me, these animals are livestock. you can't capture wild animals, breed them, and pen them in. you have to get domestic animals. you also can't set these animals free into the wild. this is no different from a cattle farmer charging someone to come into their field and shoot a cow. the cow is his property and he can do with it what he wishes.

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[Lindsey 0]

To me, as a non-hunter (but not anti-hunter) the good of hunting is in keeping deer off the highways where they try to fuck me and my car up.

After the damage done to my vehicle today by a pothole on the interstate, I'm thinking we should open season on the Arkansas Highway and Transportation Dept. Take their orange vests away! Them, a deer...all the same thing as far as I'm concerned. Either one will fuck up my car....lol.

When there are a bazillion of them per acre, it's not much different than fencing them in. They're confined either way. In one, hunters keep them from fucking up my car. In the other, my car isn't a variable. Either way, deer aren't all that valuable except in chili, imho.

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[akarunway 1]

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i wondering what the opinion is among hunters of canned hunts. for those that don't know what that is, its where someone has a ranch that is fenced in and has domestic game animals such as deer or elk. they charge lots of money for people to come to their ranch and "hunt". i don't have a problem with them, but wouldn't pay for one. if i was offered to hunt for free, i would take it, the meat would still be tasty. many hunters here in idaho are against them because it isn't fair chase and it isn't sporting. to me, these animals are livestock. you can't capture wild animals, breed them, and pen them in. you have to get domestic animals. you also can't set these animals free into the wild. this is no different from a cattle farmer charging someone to come into their field and shoot a cow. the cow is his property and he can do with it what he wishes.

One step better than THIS kind of huntinghttp://www.gearlog.com/2007/03/computer_hunting_kills_real_pr.php I was taught to still hunt. Makes it a little more even. No dogs, no nothing

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[Amazon 7]

I have never done one.. and never will.

I have hunted on private property.. on HUGE stacts of range land where they wanted to thin out the number animals on their land.... but that fenced crap... that is just wrong.

Its not hunting. its target practice on a live animal that has never learned how to evade a hunter in a wild environment. I have never even done a guided hunt.. well except where I was doing the guiding for someone else... but as I get older it DOES get to be a bit more attractive to be able to hunt and let someone else do all the freakin HARD ASS WORK that needs to be done after you pull the trigger.

That said I STILL would not do a canned hunt...its just wrong ... people with too much money and too much time.. to make up a story about that head on the wall.

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i don't like the internet hunting. at least with a canned hunt you are in the wood listening to the birds and breathing the fresh air. you personally witness what you've done. i wish there wasn't internet hunting, but like canned hunts, the animals belong to the owners and they can do what they wish. i grew up still hunting and that's how i hunt deer and elk, but his year i took a bear over bait and for the last couple of years i've been pheasant hunting with a dog. i have a golden retriever puppy that i'm trying to train to hunt grouse, but he came from pet stock and not hunting stock so i don't know how he'll turn out. i took him hunting with me once, but he stayed at my heal the whole time. even if he doesn't hunt, he's a great companion.

"Your scrotum is quite nice" - Skymama
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hunting on private property that isn't fenced is still fair chase.

there are a few guided hunts i would like to go on. i want to do a hunt in the frank church wilderness here in idaho where you ride horses for a day to get where you're going. spending 6 days way out in the wilderness with someone else doing the cooking sounds like fun. i also want to hunt a grizzly and moose in alaska. if i'm not living there, i would hire a guide.

"Your scrotum is quite nice" - Skymama
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[warpedskydiver 0]

No fenced hunts for me.

Unless...well nevermind

[freethefly 6]

it's the same as someone calling tunnel flying skydiving

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

[steve1 5]

Canned hunts in Montana are now illegal. People decided they didn't want them and it was put to a vote, a few years back.

There was an operation in Western Montana where you could check in at the ranch house, and pick out the elk you wanted to shoot on video. After you picked it out you were driven to the fenced in area where this elk was at and shot it. A 350 bull might be ten thousand bucks.

When this was outlawed the owner, of this operation, threw a fit, but there was nothing he could do. He couldn't sell that type of hunt anymore. So he slaughtered all his elk and moved to another state.

In my mind canned hunts aren't hunting.

Growing up, I'd spend months hunting elk in the Bitterroot Selway Wilderness Area. I might hunt all season and never get a shot at an elk. They were elusive and it took a lot of skill to kill one. But that was what hunting was all about to me, and I liked it.

The whole idea of canned hunts turns my stomach. But maybe that is what hunting is coming to these days. There are so many damn hunters out hunting, that it's getting really tough to have a quality experience when you go afield. Public land is often overrun with hunters. Much of the wildlife is being chased onto private ranches where only the rich can hunt. Some of these guided hunts are not too different from the so called canned hunts.

On such a hunt a person of wealth, can fly in, kill a big bull and be on a flight home the next day. And what skill did he need to kill that bull. Maybe some shooting skill, but little else. Most guided hunts may not be quite this easy, but such a hunt is usually far easier than doing it all yourself on public land.

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I dont like them. Would never do one. Some of the places in Michigan that does them usually has some rich fuck from Chicago that shows up with a brand new rifle and mounts the scope on at the ranch and has no idea what the hell is going on. He probably would kill someone with out the rancher babysitting his stupid ass so I guess there is a good side to it. Keep them the hell away from me.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

[akarunway 1]

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I have never done one.. and never will.

I have hunted on private property.. on HUGE stacts of range land where they wanted to thin out the number animals on their land.... but that fenced crap... that is just wrong.

Its not hunting. its target practice on a live animal that has never learned how to evade a hunter in a wild environment. I have never even done a guided hunt.. well except where I was doing the guiding for someone else... but as I get older it DOES get to be a bit more attractive to be able to hunt and let someone else do all the freakin HARD ASS WORK that needs to be done after you pull the trigger.

That said I STILL would not do a canned hunt...its just wrong ... people with too much money and too much time.. to make up a story about that head on the wall.

What Amazon? Getting to old to gut a 800 lb. elk in the freezing snow at 10000' then dragging it to the truck a mile away. Com'n.

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[akarunway 1]

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i don't like the internet hunting. at least with a canned hunt you are in the wood listening to the birds and breathing the fresh air. you personally witness what you've done. i wish there wasn't internet hunting, but like canned hunts, the animals belong to the owners and they can do what they wish. i grew up still hunting and that's how i hunt deer and elk, but his year i took a bear over bait and for the last couple of years i've been pheasant hunting with a dog. i have a golden retriever puppy that i'm trying to train to hunt grouse, but he came from pet stock and not hunting stock so i don't know how he'll turn out. i took him hunting with me once, but he stayed at my heal the whole time. even if he doesn't hunt, he's a great companion.

I just bought a golden pup too. He's 4 months and 40 someodd lbs. already. He's chewed me out of hundreds of dollars worth of crap so far. Hope he can retrieve a bird. He owes me.

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

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I dont like them. Would never do one. Some of the places in Michigan that does them usually has some rich fuck from Chicago that shows up with a brand new rifle and mounts the scope on at the ranch and has no idea what the hell is going on. He probably would kill someone with out the rancher babysitting his stupid ass so I guess there is a good side to it. Keep them the hell away from me.

I hunt on private farmland and spend the whole day in the woods or on the edge of a pasture lay in brush. We do it whether it's below zero degrees, snow or ice on the ground, rain, sleet or whatever the wheather throws at us. We scout out the deer trails, look for rubs and droppings and track our deer after the shot if it doesn't drop where it's shot. Sometimes a deer will run for several miles after being shot. I'd like to see one of these wanna be deerhunters do that. Fuck them and their sissy hunt.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

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I hunt on private farmland and spend the whole day in the woods or on the edge of a pasture lay in brush. We do it whether it's below zero degrees, snow or ice on the ground, rain, sleet or whatever the wheather throws at us. We scout out the deer trails, look for rubs and droppings and track our deer after the shot if it doesn't drop where it's shot. Sometimes a deer will run for several miles after being shot. I'd like to see one of these wanna be deerhunters do that. Fuck them and their sissy hunt.

It so much more than that my friend. How many hours do you spend before the season even starts scouting the land. Looking for that draw that has a path on it. Trying to find a good spot to put up a blind. Putting out bait piles. A friend of mine in Michigan I help him plan about 3 acres of alf alfa each year. The dear love it and gives them food for the winter if we dont get them in the hunt. He has a deer that we have seen for the last 5 years and cannot get. We know it's the same deer because it has a white spot on his side about the size of a paper plate. We have seen him grow the last few years. I have not seen him but my friend has but could not get the shot off. He is up to a wide point. That is big for a white tail.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

[akarunway 1]

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I dont like them. Would never do one. Some of the places in Michigan that does them usually has some rich fuck from Chicago that shows up with a brand new rifle and mounts the scope on at the ranch and has no idea what the hell is going on. He probably would kill someone with out the rancher babysitting his stupid ass so I guess there is a good side to it. Keep them the hell away from me.

No shit. The elk 2 yrs. ago in Utah was wounded after a bad shot. We tracked that bitch for hrs. in no mans land. Getting dark and scary. We caught up to her and she jumped up and headed for the hills. We left her for the wolves and lions. We did get a kill the next day.
I hunt on private farmland and spend the whole day in the woods or on the edge of a pasture lay in brush. We do it whether it's below zero degrees, snow or ice on the ground, rain, sleet or whatever the wheather throws at us. We scout out the deer trails, look for rubs and droppings and track our deer after the shot if it doesn't drop where it's shot. Sometimes a deer will run for several miles after being shot. I'd like to see one of these wanna be deerhunters do that. Fuck them and their sissy hunt.

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[akarunway 1]

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I hunt on private farmland and spend the whole day in the woods or on the edge of a pasture lay in brush. We do it whether it's below zero degrees, snow or ice on the ground, rain, sleet or whatever the wheather throws at us. We scout out the deer trails, look for rubs and droppings and track our deer after the shot if it doesn't drop where it's shot. Sometimes a deer will run for several miles after being shot. I'd like to see one of these wanna be deerhunters do that. Fuck them and their sissy hunt.

It so much more than that my friend. How many hours do you spend before the season even starts scouting the land. Looking for that draw that has a path on it. Trying to find a good spot to put up a blind. Putting out bait piles. A friend of mine in Michigan I help him plan about 3 acres of alf alfa each year. The dear love it and gives them food for the winter if we dont get them in the hunt. He has a deer that we have seen for the last 5 years and cannot get. We know it's the same deer because it has a white spot on his side about the size of a paper plate. We have seen him grow the last few years. I have not seen him but my friend has but could not get the shot off. He is up to a wide point. That is big for a white tail.

Baiting is not fair. (or legal in a lot of places)

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

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Baiting is not fair. (or legal in a lot of places)

No problem in Michigan. So if baiting is not fair, neither is urine, camo, rifles, or any modern tool. Go out there with a club and do it like real man!

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

[freethefly 6]

We go up there several times throughout the year. Been hunting the same land for quite awhile and know the paths they take where acorns are plenty and when they hit certian ponds. I have several places where I lay and wait. I got this big buck at one spot that I know they run during the rut one week ago. I saw him last year but everyone thought I was bullshitting

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

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Thats a fine deer. I still have not had a chance to get a monster white tail. I want one real bad. I got a 5x6 Mule out in Montana though. Range finder marked it 510 yards with a 7mm mag. It was a great shot on my part if I do say so myself.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

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Baiting is not fair. (or legal in a lot of places)

No problem in Michigan. So if baiting is not fair, neither is urine, camo, rifles, or any modern tool. Go out there with a club and do it like real man!

I know a guy who killed a big buck with a buck knife. No fucking shit. Terrel Blankingship down in Georgia. Big fucking Georgia cracker. They were testing along on the NS (Sperry Rail Service UX/EMF test car) when they spotted a buck with his rack tangled in some brush. Terrel jumped off of the car and ran up to the buck and threw his arm around it's neck (Terrel weighs around 300lbs and is fucking huge) and went to slicing it's throat. The buck pulled free and Terrel jumped on it's back. It took of with this hillybilly motherfucker hanging on while trying to cut it's throat. They both went down but with the buck getting extremely mad. It gored the hell out of him to the point where he needed medical care. He did kill the buck but got some nasty looking scars in the process. He told me it wasn't the smartess thing he's ever done. I said "No shit".

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

[freethefly 6]

I'm itching to bag a big buck mulie.
510yds? I'd say that is fucking great shot!

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

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510yds? I'd say that is fucking great shot!

Thats why I love the 7mm mag. It is just a great shooting, flat rifle. 5 out of 8 of us that go to Montana use the 7mm. We all love the thing. I cannot think of anyone who has missed a shot out there with it. I highly recommend it.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

[akarunway 1]

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Baiting is not fair. (or legal in a lot of places)

No problem in Michigan. So if baiting is not fair, neither is urine, camo, rifles, or any modern tool. Go out there with a club and do it like real man!

Gimme a break man. Baiting is like shooting fish in a barrel. May as well just go to the grocery store. And wild animals don't see color just movement. Camos are just a macho thing. Urine. I ain't putting that stuff on me. Sit in a tree stand for a day or in the snow a10000' for a few days. Real hunting. And actually I have a friend that hunts wild boar w/ only a knife.

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

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Urine. I ain't putting that stuff on me.

Who said put it on you?

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Real hunting. And actually I have a friend that hunts wild boar w/ only a knife.

Wow man! When I grow up I want to be just like you.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

[akarunway 1]

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510yds? I'd say that is fucking great shot!

Thats why I love the 7mm mag. It is just a great shooting, flat rifle. 5 out of 8 of us that go to Montana use the 7mm. We all love the thing. I cannot think of anyone who has missed a shot out there with it. I highly recommend it.

All my hunting buds use the 7mm mag. Next one I'm getting is a .338 and then this one >.http://www.marlinfirearms.com/firearms/bigbore/444.aspx Just in case I run into a bear or something on the next trip

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.