jails are too expensive

[happythoughts 0]

It costs $23,000 per inmate per year. Ouch!

This has become an industry. Ok, let's outsource it.
Let's send it to Mexico.

I'll bet we could get jail guards in Mexico for $4,000 a year instead of (I don't know) $40K per year in the US.

If 100 inmates are doing 10 years, the cost is $23 million. (Do the math)

Think of all the cost savings. The cost of oil is rising. No big heating bills in Mexico.
Buildings, guards, food, land.

Instead of $23M, I think it could be reduced to $500K.
Hire a good management team from India to run the place.

Think of how many people would not be in jail if it weren't such a great business. People are getting rich off this stuff. Suddenly, the Bureau of Prisons would be a semi-colon at the bottom of a budget sheet.

If they can outsource making Harley motors there, why isn't this a good idea ?

[Richards 0]

Nice in theory but no-one would ever let it happen

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[kallend 2,146]

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Hire a good management team from India to run the place.

Wouldn't even need to relocate them - they could do it online from Bangalore.

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[ryoder 1,590]

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Hire a good management team from India to run the place.

I already see a flaw in your plan. I was once reading a discussion of the cultural differences between the US and India. It told of a guy from India who had been working in the US on an H1-B. It was only after working here for a year that he came to realize that when he was asked in a meeting how the project was going, people wanted to know how the project was really going. He came from a culture where people would always reassure each other everything was fine, no matter how badly it was turning into a fiasco. Reading a little further, I realized he was working for my company.

I have read numerous articles identifying this same problem with US companies involved in projects with Indian partners.

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[akarunway 1]

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Nice in theory but no-one would ever let it happen

Na. Gotta keep all those potheads, drunk drivers and wife beaters here in private prisons in the USA. Big Bucks for private Corps. Don't ya know?Edit to add: last time I checked the jails (in Florida anyway) were getting a $100 a day per inmate. Correctins is BIG BUSINESS when you factor in the saleries. Judges, lawyers, co's, cops, court clerks, etc, etc. Actually it was the 2nd biggest business in central Florida after tourism last time I checked.

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[martin-o 0]

I believe there is about 2 million inmates in the US right now. That makes the cost of correction somewhere just below 50 billion dollars. Priorities!?

[shropshire 0]

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Hire a good management team from India to run the place.

I already see a flaw in your plan. I was once reading a discussion of the cultural differences between the US and India. It told of a guy from India who had been working in the US on an H1-B. It was only after working here for a year that he came to realize that when he was asked in a meeting how the project was going, people wanted to know how the project was really going. He came from a culture where people would always reassure each other everything was fine, no matter how badly it was turning into a fiasco. Reading a little further, I realized he was working for my company.

I have read numerous articles identifying this same problem with US companies involved in projects with Indian partners.

That's really true. In my last company I was manageing a team in India and learnt very early on not to ask open questions. I would ask the to explain exactly what they had been doing not had they done it!!

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[shropshire 0]

It's not only a problem over there in the States. The maths works out the same in all countries with high standards of prisoner care. It's the price that we have to pay.

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[Andy9o8 2]

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It's not only a problem over there in the States. The maths works out the same in all countries with high standards of prisoner care. It's the price that we have to pay to try to be civilized societies.

Slight edit to complete the thought.

[shropshire 0]

Yeap. I can live with that.

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[enflyt 0]

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I already see a flaw in your plan. I was once reading a discussion of the cultural differences between the US and India. It told of a guy from India who had been working in the US on an H1-B. It was only after working here for a year that he came to realize that when he was asked in a meeting how the project was going, people wanted to know how the project was really going. He came from a culture where people would always reassure each other everything was fine, no matter how badly it was turning into a fiasco. Reading a little further, I realized he was working for my company.

its the same thing with Arab cultures. They feel its offensive to say no to you, so, they'll answer "Insha allah" or "god willing" to everything. They'll say that even if they have no intention of doing what you're asking, because its rude to just flat out say no.

And... generosity is HUGE with most Arabs. Dont compliment them on any material things, cause then they'll try to give it to you. And definately dont ask specifically how their wife is doing, because thats uber bad manners. Instead ask generally how the family is doing.

K. done with my tangent now... but as for jails... I think they need to be a lot less cozy, maybe less TV and gym equipment.... but at the same time, spend some money on actualy rehabbing these folks. I cant imagine what it would be like to be trapped in a time warp, and then to come out 10 or 15 years later and have absolutely no clue whats going on in the world now. Then again, I dont have a solution to fix the problem, so... yeah. oh well.

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Nice in theory but no-one would ever let it happen

Na. Gotta keep all those potheads, drunk drivers and wife beaters here in private prisons in the USA. Big Bucks for private Corps. Don't ya know?Edit to add: last time I checked the jails (in Florida anyway) were getting a $100 a day per inmate. Correctins is BIG BUSINESS when you factor in the saleries. Judges, lawyers, co's, cops, court clerks, etc, etc. Actually it was the 2nd biggest business in central Florida after tourism last time I checked.

$100 a day? Crap. It would be cheaper to put them up at Captain Hirams with free drinks. Nobody would try to escape from there.

[billvon 3,107]

>I think they need to be a lot less cozy, maybe less TV and gym equipment...

I recall one brouhaha some years back. A state prison got shit from a local politician because they had color TV's. "We are paying exorbitant taxes so that inmates can have color TV's! Oh the injustice! Oh the humanity!" etc etc.

So the politician came down on the warden, and the warden came down on his staff. "I want to see black and white TV's! No more color!"

Staff went to the store to replace their old color TV's with black and white TV's. Problem is that they don't make them any more. So they started hunting around; found some used ones for sale and bought them.

Well, they didn't fit the cages they had for the color TV's, so they had to have new ones made - and every one was different. Cost ended up being 4-5X what buying new crappy Best Buy color TV's would have been.

So those taxpayers ended up paying five times what they did before. But at least the TV's sucked! Bureaucracy at its finest.

[Channman 2]

> So those taxpayers ended up paying five times what they did before. But at least the TV's sucked! Bureaucracy at its finest.

Reminds me of NASA.

Do any of our Prisons require inmates to harvest their own Veggies? Just down the road from Spaceland on Co. Road 521 there is a prison and I've seen prisoners working in the field.

How about raising cattle as well?

[billvon 3,107]

>Do any of our Prisons require inmates to harvest their own Veggies?

Sounds like another one of those ideas. Instead of going to the distributor and buying peas for $150 per ton, someone is going to insist that inmates open a farm to grow their own food - and spend $1200 of the taxpayer's money growing a ton of peas.

(Not to say that having inmates work during their incarceration is a bad idea, but such things often don't work out like you'd expect them to.)

[akarunway 1]

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>Do any of our Prisons require inmates to harvest their own Veggies?

Sounds like another one of those ideas. Instead of going to the distributor and buying peas for $150 per ton, someone is going to insist that inmates open a farm to grow their own food - and spend $1200 of the taxpayer's money growing a ton of peas.

(Not to say that having inmates work during their incarceration is a bad idea, but such things often don't work out like you'd expect them to.)

Actually I kinda like this guy.>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio I took a little drive thru Az. awhile back. I went thru his turf and damn sure minded my P's and Q's. I don't think pink underwear would be becoming on a 50 yr. old man. Maybe if I was in San Fran.

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[DFWAJG 4]

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>I think they need to be a lot less cozy, maybe less TV and gym equipment...

In the CDCR, Inmates purchase their own TV's (about $300 for a colored tv, all see-through) and gym equipment is not available. It was removed years ago.

[Unstable 9]

We may or may not be able to outsource them all to Mexico, but surely we could get more than $23,000 of work out of someone. Why not put them back in chain-gangs? They could clean up parks, build highways, build damns, farm, anything. It would take care of their exercise,and probably lower the costs of health care.

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[enflyt 0]

wow. i definately like some of the guys changes to jail operations... the educational only tv shows.. and english classes, high school educations and drug rehab program. The pink underwear and handcuff thing is pretty amusing as well.

I cant imagine living in a tent in phoenix in the middle of a summer-but wow. thats one way to make sure the folks dont want to come back!

And allowing the inmates to work I think is a great idea. We have some that do the maintanence and housekeeping type stuff at my work... good to know that at least some of these folks will have some skills when they get out.

[happythoughts 0]

Just some follow-up.

The problem with a big budget pie is that other people want the biggest piece to be their piece.

The cost of having a person in jail in Dallas is $41 a day. If they don't bail out, it takes 10 days to get them to trial.

13 days, at $41 a day, is over $500 each.

clicky

So, for piddly stuff, they are considering just giving you a citation and sending you off, instead of wasting someones day putting you in jail. Seems reasonable.

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But last year, Dallas police made nearly 3,400 arrests for the offenses for which officers would gain the authority to issue citations, according to police statistics.

Court room crowding, jail overcrowding, police available for patrol, legal fees... win-win.

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Palo Pinto County, whose population numbers about 27,000, was among those jurisdictions, said County Attorney Phil Garrett. He said that for at least 10 years he's allowed law officers to issue citations for Class A and B misdemeanor marijuana possession.

"It's not that big of a deal," said Mr. Garrett, who's been in office for 17 years. "The fact that that had to be codified just kind of amazes me."

I don't know, sounds soft on crime to me.

[akarunway 1]

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It costs $23,000 per inmate per year. Ouch!

This has become an industry. Ok, let's outsource it.
Let's send it to Mexico.

I'll bet we could get jail guards in Mexico for $4,000 a year instead of (I don't know) $40K per year in the US.

If 100 inmates are doing 10 years, the cost is $23 million. (Do the math)

Think of all the cost savings. The cost of oil is rising. No big heating bills in Mexico.
Buildings, guards, food, land.

Instead of $23M, I think it could be reduced to $500K.
Hire a good management team from India to run the place.

Think of how many people would not be in jail if it weren't such a great business. People are getting rich off this stuff. Suddenly, the Bureau of Prisons would be a semi-colon at the bottom of a budget sheet.

If they can outsource making Harley motors there, why isn't this a good idea ?

Yeah. Lets send all those potheads, wifebeaters, non child supporters, drunks all down to mehico. Then let's send Bush and Co. to Gitmo and give them some of their own medicine.

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.