quade 4 #26 November 17, 2007 QuoteThe current democratic party has nothing at all to do with the Truman type of democrat. Did I make any claims otherwise?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #27 November 17, 2007 No, and I did not infer that you did. I made that statement in order to state that the same thing is true of both parties. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #28 November 18, 2007 Quote FDR was an awful resident who presided over a 12 year DEPRESSION! Thank God somebody started a war to get our economy back on track. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #29 November 18, 2007 QuoteQuote Four times as many R's as D's. What does the above imply? Not a whole hell of a lot. The current Republican Party doesn't have much in common with Lincoln's and not much with Roosevelt's either. Actually, it does imply something about the continued popularity of Ronald W. Reagan. Did the Rep party of Eisenhower's time have anything in common with that of Roosevelt? Not sure how you would like to parse the list. You might remove all Rep entries later than Eisenhower (ie RW Reagan). Is that more reasonable? How do you feel about the Rep Party at the time of Ronald W. Reagan? How does the Rep Party of today differ from that of Roosevelt and/or Lincoln? Franklin D. Roosevelt (Democrat) Abraham Lincoln (Republican) Ronald Reagan (Republican) George Washington (No Affiliation) Theodore Roosevelt (Republican) Dwight Eisenhower (Republican) "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,184 #30 November 18, 2007 Quote Quote FDR was an awful resident who presided over a 12 year DEPRESSION! Thank God somebody started a war to get our economy back on track. You're grateful to Hitler and Tojo?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #31 November 18, 2007 Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FDR was an awful resident who presided over a 12 year DEPRESSION! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank God somebody started a war to get our economy back on track. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- QuoteYou're grateful to Hitler and Tojo?It was a dirty job. Somebody had to do it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #32 November 18, 2007 QuoteHow do you feel about the Rep Party at the time of Ronald W. Reagan? I'd say that Reagan was the archetype for how current Republicans want to portray themselves. I personally think he is over-rated, but agree that he's better than a few of the Republican's that came immediately before him and was far better than the current Admin. In all truthfulness though, I don't think he actually was as good as Bush 41. Reagan was far more popular, but like I said, I don't think he was actually as good.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #33 November 18, 2007 Quote The current democratic party has nothing at all to do with the Truman type of democrat. Or FDR's or JFK's democrats."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #34 November 18, 2007 Quote Quote The current democratic party has nothing at all to do with the Truman type of democrat. Or FDR's or JFK's democrats. Quite right. JFK (if president today) would be as nearly as hated as Bush IMO"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #35 November 18, 2007 Quote Quote Quote The current democratic party has nothing at all to do with the Truman type of democrat. Or FDR's or JFK's democrats. Quite right. JFK (if president today) would be as nearly as hated as Bush IMO Wasn't FDR intensely disliked as well, particularly before the US entered WWII? The New Deal was criticized more vitriolically at the time than now. Wasn't JFK also a polarizing figure, e.g., questions/fears that he would "take orders" from the pope? President Kennedy had great speech writers ... as did President Reagan. VR/Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #36 November 18, 2007 Quote Franklin D. Roosevelt (Democrat) Abraham Lincoln (Republican) Ronald Reagan (Republican) George Washington (No Affiliation) Theodore Roosevelt (Republican) Dwight Eisenhower (Republican) What you see is typical of all of the Greatest Ever lists - a huge bias towards current times. People voted for Washington and Lincoln for obvious reasons - they're described as gods in our history books starting in elementary school. The other great presidents of that 18-19th Centuries (starting with Jefferson) can't compete. And then you have votes for each party's favorite during their lifetime. FDR is the obvious choice for the Democrats who didn't have many candidates in the past 60 years, and then Reagan and Eisenhower for the GOP faithful. I'm most interested that Teddy made it, would be interesting to see the percentages. He had a lot of good talking points for both parties - big stick diplomacy, national park system come to mind. I'd be interesting in the results if you filtered out those who couldn't identify more than half of the Presidents. I bet a lot of Reagan and FDR votes disappear. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #37 November 18, 2007 QuoteWhat you see is typical of all of the Greatest Ever lists - a huge bias towards current times. Or as Homer Simpson said, "Rock & Roll achieved perfection in 1972." Which is true, by the way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #38 November 18, 2007 QuoteQuote Franklin D. Roosevelt (Democrat) Abraham Lincoln (Republican) Ronald Reagan (Republican) George Washington (No Affiliation) Theodore Roosevelt (Republican) Dwight Eisenhower (Republican) What you see is typical of all of the Greatest Ever lists - a huge bias towards current times. People voted for Washington and Lincoln for obvious reasons - they're described as gods in our history books starting in elementary school. The other great presidents of that 18-19th Centuries (starting with Jefferson) can't compete. And then you have votes for each party's favorite during their lifetime. FDR is the obvious choice for the Democrats who didn't have many candidates in the past 60 years, and then Reagan and Eisenhower for the GOP faithful. I'm most interested that Teddy made it, would be interesting to see the percentages. He had a lot of good talking points for both parties - big stick diplomacy, national park system come to mind. I'd be interesting in the results if you filtered out those who couldn't identify more than half of the Presidents. I bet a lot of Reagan and FDR votes disappear. Good point about Washington and Lincoln. They're pretty much a given. I'm not sure if the pollsters got age data, but the polls are linked in the link I posted. Regarding which votes disappear because people can't remember them, what about Ford, Carter, Clinton, The Bush family, Johnson, Kennedy, Nixon, etc? "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #39 November 18, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Quote The current democratic party has nothing at all to do with the Truman type of democrat. Or FDR's or JFK's democrats. Quite right. JFK (if president today) would be as nearly as hated as Bush IMO Wasn't FDR intensely disliked as well, particularly before the US entered WWII? The New Deal was criticized more vitriolically at the time than now. Wasn't JFK also a polarizing figure, e.g., questions/fears that he would "take orders" from the pope? President Kennedy had great speech writers ... as did President Reagan. VR/Marg Quite right, JFK was Catholic. I just look at his postions then in todays light."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #40 November 19, 2007 QuoteRegarding which votes disappear because people can't remember them, what about Ford, Carter, Clinton, The Bush family, Johnson, Kennedy, Nixon, etc? No one is going to vote for Carter, even if they think he is a decent guy. Same for Ford, or either Bush (unless they're really retarded). Clinton had a good run, but had clear flaws that disqualify for label of single greatest. LBJ has Vietnam to answer for. Nixon has countless offenses to answer for - it's rather sickening that people are giving him a pass now. Kennedy was too short a term, and I blame him and McNamera for jacking up the Cold War. Again, can't beat out FDR for Greatest given that. If the poll asked for 3 or 5 people instead of 1, the results would start to differ substantially. Then you can pick even more recent presidents for your list. ---- Another example of stupid lists - ESPN has been doing greatest college players of all time. John Elway is on the list, despite never taking Stanfurd to a bowl game. If he didn't get two superbowl wins at the end of his career (thanks to his RB), he'd not be on the list. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
