GQ_jumper 4 #26 November 18, 2007 Of course it bothers me. If no employers would hire them, they wouldn't come. Seems to me that it should be easier and cheaper to police a few thousand employers than a few million Mexicans. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There ya' go! I totally agree with you on that. That also happens to be a law on the books that isn't 'really' enforced. Chuck Quote We need to polic both, make an example of the people that employ illegals as well as the illegals that cross. How many people would still want to come into this country illegalyif they heard that people who were caught crossing the border were given all the healthcare they want under the condition that they work off the debt to the government? Sheriff Joe had it right, don't "punish" them for coming in just make them pay their dues in a work camp and then send them on their way. It isn't punishment, it's just making them pay for themselves instead of making the taxpayers suffer for their crimes.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #27 November 18, 2007 QuoteOf course it bothers me. If no employers would hire them, they wouldn't come. Seems to me that it should be easier and cheaper to police a few thousand employers than a few million Mexicans. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There ya' go! I totally agree with you on that. That also happens to be a law on the books that isn't 'really' enforced. Chuck Quote We need to polic both, make an example of the people that employ illegals as well as the illegals that cross. How many people would still want to come into this country illegalyif they heard that people who were caught crossing the border were given all the healthcare they want under the condition that they work off the debt to the government? Sheriff Joe had it right, don't "punish" them for coming in just make them pay their dues in a work camp and then send them on their way. It isn't punishment, it's just making them pay for themselves instead of making the taxpayers suffer for their crimes. How would you punish the unscrupulous employers that lure the illegals in to the country? They are equally responsible for any crimes and expenses incurred by the country. Put them in work camps too?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterrig 1 #28 November 18, 2007 QuoteOf course it bothers me. If no employers would hire them, they wouldn't come. Seems to me that it should be easier and cheaper to police a few thousand employers than a few million Mexicans. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There ya' go! I totally agree with you on that. That also happens to be a law on the books that isn't 'really' enforced. Chuck Quote We need to polic both, make an example of the people that employ illegals as well as the illegals that cross. How many people would still want to come into this country illegalyif they heard that people who were caught crossing the border were given all the healthcare they want under the condition that they work off the debt to the government? Sheriff Joe had it right, don't "punish" them for coming in just make them pay their dues in a work camp and then send them on their way. It isn't punishment, it's just making them pay for themselves instead of making the taxpayers suffer for their crimes. Sheriff Joe, has some really great ideas! Hit the employers hard in the wallet, also. Make them give-up all they 'saved' by hiring cheap labor. Allow border county law enforcement to assist Border Patrol. (Border counties here in Texas, are getting govt. money to assist Border Patrol) Allow the Border Patrol to do their job! More raids on businesses. Not only apprehending illegals but to levy fines to business owners. Not just focus on the Southwest border but our entire border. Just some ideas. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #29 November 18, 2007 QuoteMore raids on businesses. Not only apprehending illegals but to levy fines to business owners. Which is fine by me, in fact encouraged by me - as long as it doesn't take the form of de facto racial profiling. That means checking employers nation-wide, not just on the Mexican border. (In other words, it means trying as hard to catch the Irish, Chinese, Indian, Korean, Polish and Italian people who've overstayed their tourist visas and are working under the table, as we try to catch Gomez.) It means comparing the I-9's in the office to the entire work crew, not just confronting anyone out in the field, or cutting a lawn, or in the Wal-Mart stock-room who looks like a spic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterrig 1 #30 November 18, 2007 Quote Quote More raids on businesses. Not only apprehending illegals but to levy fines to business owners. Which is fine by me, in fact encouraged by me - as long as it doesn't take the form of de facto racial profiling. That means checking employers nation-wide, not just on the Mexican border. (In other words, it means trying as hard to catch the Irish, Chinese, Indian, Korean, Polish and Italian people who've overstayed their tourist visas and are working under the table, as we try to catch Gomez.) It means comparing the I-9's in the office to the entire work crew, not just confronting anyone out in the field, or cutting a lawn, or in the Wal-Mart stock-room who looks like a spic. Precisely! That's why, I said what I did about covering all of our border... not just the Southwest. I also said in a previous post, we need to re-gain our soveriegnty as a nation. All in all, I think, you and I are on the same page!Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #31 November 18, 2007 UH-OH!!! http://news.aol.com/story/_a/garcias-are-catching-up-to-joneses/20071117083109990001?ncid=NWS00010000000001 Try stopping that wave, Don Quixote. I imagine Sitting Bull would call it poetic justice. And so it goes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterrig 1 #32 November 18, 2007 Quote UH-OH!!! http://news.aol.com/story/_a/garcias-are-catching-up-to-joneses/20071117083109990001?ncid=NWS00010000000001 Try stopping that wave, Don Quixote. I imagine Sitting Bull would call it poetic justice. And so it goes. It was juat a matter of time! I was told this would happen, back in my government class in the 60's! Just be sure to roll the 'R's'. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #33 November 19, 2007 QuoteHow would you punish the unscrupulous employers that lure the illegals in to the country? They are equally responsible for any crimes and expenses incurred by the country. Put them in work camps too? First, can you show an example of how employers "lure them in"?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #34 November 19, 2007 Quote Quote How would you punish the unscrupulous employers that lure the illegals in to the country? They are equally responsible for any crimes and expenses incurred by the country. Put them in work camps too? First, can you show an example of how employers "lure them in"? Very droll... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #35 November 19, 2007 QuoteQuote I see them all the time in these parts I'm curious how you can tell. They drink heavy beer and say "eh?" a lot. "how's it goin', eh?" "you gonna eat that fish, eh?" "this is a cold beer, eh?" "eh, take off, eh?" ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #36 November 19, 2007 waht do you expect, and actual answer from kallend? He is more evasive than William Jefferson Clinton. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andrewwhyte 1 #37 November 19, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote I see them all the time in these parts I'm curious how you can tell. They drink heavy beer and say "eh?" a lot. "how's it goin', eh?" "you gonna eat that fish, eh?" "this is a cold beer, eh?" "eh, take off, eh?" Those aren't illegal aliens; they are environmental refugees (it's friggin cold up there in winter, eh). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterrig 1 #38 November 20, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Quote I see them all the time in these parts I'm curious how you can tell. They drink heavy beer and say "eh?" a lot. "how's it goin', eh?" "you gonna eat that fish, eh?" "this is a cold beer, eh?" "eh, take off, eh?" Those aren't illegal aliens; they are environmental refugees (it's friggin cold up there in winter, eh). 'Snowbirds'!Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #39 November 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteHow would you punish the unscrupulous employers that lure the illegals in to the country? They are equally responsible for any crimes and expenses incurred by the country. Put them in work camps too? First, can you show an example of how employers "lure them in"? Are you kidding? Of course they lure them in, simply by virtue of being their ultimate enablers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #40 November 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteHow would you punish the unscrupulous employers that lure the illegals in to the country? They are equally responsible for any crimes and expenses incurred by the country. Put them in work camps too? First, can you show an example of how employers "lure them in"? Are you kidding? Of course they lure them in, simply by virtue of being their ultimate enablers. Bullshit. It's OUR fault because we're "the land of milk and honey" or something? Where's your evidence, Counselor? Kallend asserted that the employers "lure them in" - prove it.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #41 November 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteHow would you punish the unscrupulous employers that lure the illegals in to the country? They are equally responsible for any crimes and expenses incurred by the country. Put them in work camps too? First, can you show an example of how employers "lure them in"? Are you kidding? Of course they lure them in, simply by virtue of being their ultimate enablers. Bullshit. It's OUR fault because we're "the land of milk and honey" or something? Where's your evidence, Counselor? Kallend asserted that the employers "lure them in" - prove it. You're mischaracterizing my point. I'm not referring to the general affluence of the US. The particular lure, and enablement, to which I'm referring is the low-paying jobs which certain employers, wanting to keep labor costs down, quite deliberately make available to illegal migrants. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #42 November 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteHow would you punish the unscrupulous employers that lure the illegals in to the country? They are equally responsible for any crimes and expenses incurred by the country. Put them in work camps too? First, can you show an example of how employers "lure them in"? Are you kidding? Of course they lure them in, simply by virtue of being their ultimate enablers. Bullshit. It's OUR fault because we're "the land of milk and honey" or something? Where's your evidence, Counselor? Kallend asserted that the employers "lure them in" - prove it. You're mischaracterizing my point. I'm not referring to the general affluence of the US. The particular lure, and enablement, to which I'm referring is the low-paying jobs which certain employers, wanting to keep labor costs down, quite deliberately make available to illegal migrants. You had me *somewhat* agreeing until the "quite deliberately make available" part. It still looks like another "oh, it's not THEIR fault" in regards to the illegal aliens. Chicken/egg to an extent, but seeing all the discussion about fake Social Security cards, resident alien cards and all that, I'm guessing that MOST employers are doing the paperwork they ordinarily would for ANY employee. Yes, I'm sure there is some small amount of employers that are deliberately suppressing their pay and the other stuff you allude to - I do *not* feel it's in the majority, and I've not seen evidence it's in the majority, back home.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #43 November 22, 2007 You're still mischaracterizing my point. The Gentle Readers will either get my point, or they will not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #44 November 23, 2007 Quote The Gentle Readers Thank you, Ms. Landers. Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. 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kallend 2,150 #27 November 18, 2007 QuoteOf course it bothers me. If no employers would hire them, they wouldn't come. Seems to me that it should be easier and cheaper to police a few thousand employers than a few million Mexicans. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There ya' go! I totally agree with you on that. That also happens to be a law on the books that isn't 'really' enforced. Chuck Quote We need to polic both, make an example of the people that employ illegals as well as the illegals that cross. How many people would still want to come into this country illegalyif they heard that people who were caught crossing the border were given all the healthcare they want under the condition that they work off the debt to the government? Sheriff Joe had it right, don't "punish" them for coming in just make them pay their dues in a work camp and then send them on their way. It isn't punishment, it's just making them pay for themselves instead of making the taxpayers suffer for their crimes. How would you punish the unscrupulous employers that lure the illegals in to the country? They are equally responsible for any crimes and expenses incurred by the country. Put them in work camps too?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterrig 1 #28 November 18, 2007 QuoteOf course it bothers me. If no employers would hire them, they wouldn't come. Seems to me that it should be easier and cheaper to police a few thousand employers than a few million Mexicans. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There ya' go! I totally agree with you on that. That also happens to be a law on the books that isn't 'really' enforced. Chuck Quote We need to polic both, make an example of the people that employ illegals as well as the illegals that cross. How many people would still want to come into this country illegalyif they heard that people who were caught crossing the border were given all the healthcare they want under the condition that they work off the debt to the government? Sheriff Joe had it right, don't "punish" them for coming in just make them pay their dues in a work camp and then send them on their way. It isn't punishment, it's just making them pay for themselves instead of making the taxpayers suffer for their crimes. Sheriff Joe, has some really great ideas! Hit the employers hard in the wallet, also. Make them give-up all they 'saved' by hiring cheap labor. Allow border county law enforcement to assist Border Patrol. (Border counties here in Texas, are getting govt. money to assist Border Patrol) Allow the Border Patrol to do their job! More raids on businesses. Not only apprehending illegals but to levy fines to business owners. Not just focus on the Southwest border but our entire border. Just some ideas. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #29 November 18, 2007 QuoteMore raids on businesses. Not only apprehending illegals but to levy fines to business owners. Which is fine by me, in fact encouraged by me - as long as it doesn't take the form of de facto racial profiling. That means checking employers nation-wide, not just on the Mexican border. (In other words, it means trying as hard to catch the Irish, Chinese, Indian, Korean, Polish and Italian people who've overstayed their tourist visas and are working under the table, as we try to catch Gomez.) It means comparing the I-9's in the office to the entire work crew, not just confronting anyone out in the field, or cutting a lawn, or in the Wal-Mart stock-room who looks like a spic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterrig 1 #30 November 18, 2007 Quote Quote More raids on businesses. Not only apprehending illegals but to levy fines to business owners. Which is fine by me, in fact encouraged by me - as long as it doesn't take the form of de facto racial profiling. That means checking employers nation-wide, not just on the Mexican border. (In other words, it means trying as hard to catch the Irish, Chinese, Indian, Korean, Polish and Italian people who've overstayed their tourist visas and are working under the table, as we try to catch Gomez.) It means comparing the I-9's in the office to the entire work crew, not just confronting anyone out in the field, or cutting a lawn, or in the Wal-Mart stock-room who looks like a spic. Precisely! That's why, I said what I did about covering all of our border... not just the Southwest. I also said in a previous post, we need to re-gain our soveriegnty as a nation. All in all, I think, you and I are on the same page!Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #31 November 18, 2007 UH-OH!!! http://news.aol.com/story/_a/garcias-are-catching-up-to-joneses/20071117083109990001?ncid=NWS00010000000001 Try stopping that wave, Don Quixote. I imagine Sitting Bull would call it poetic justice. And so it goes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterrig 1 #32 November 18, 2007 Quote UH-OH!!! http://news.aol.com/story/_a/garcias-are-catching-up-to-joneses/20071117083109990001?ncid=NWS00010000000001 Try stopping that wave, Don Quixote. I imagine Sitting Bull would call it poetic justice. And so it goes. It was juat a matter of time! I was told this would happen, back in my government class in the 60's! Just be sure to roll the 'R's'. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #33 November 19, 2007 QuoteHow would you punish the unscrupulous employers that lure the illegals in to the country? They are equally responsible for any crimes and expenses incurred by the country. Put them in work camps too? First, can you show an example of how employers "lure them in"?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #34 November 19, 2007 Quote Quote How would you punish the unscrupulous employers that lure the illegals in to the country? They are equally responsible for any crimes and expenses incurred by the country. Put them in work camps too? First, can you show an example of how employers "lure them in"? Very droll... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #35 November 19, 2007 QuoteQuote I see them all the time in these parts I'm curious how you can tell. They drink heavy beer and say "eh?" a lot. "how's it goin', eh?" "you gonna eat that fish, eh?" "this is a cold beer, eh?" "eh, take off, eh?" ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #36 November 19, 2007 waht do you expect, and actual answer from kallend? He is more evasive than William Jefferson Clinton. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andrewwhyte 1 #37 November 19, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote I see them all the time in these parts I'm curious how you can tell. They drink heavy beer and say "eh?" a lot. "how's it goin', eh?" "you gonna eat that fish, eh?" "this is a cold beer, eh?" "eh, take off, eh?" Those aren't illegal aliens; they are environmental refugees (it's friggin cold up there in winter, eh). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterrig 1 #38 November 20, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Quote I see them all the time in these parts I'm curious how you can tell. They drink heavy beer and say "eh?" a lot. "how's it goin', eh?" "you gonna eat that fish, eh?" "this is a cold beer, eh?" "eh, take off, eh?" Those aren't illegal aliens; they are environmental refugees (it's friggin cold up there in winter, eh). 'Snowbirds'!Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #39 November 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteHow would you punish the unscrupulous employers that lure the illegals in to the country? They are equally responsible for any crimes and expenses incurred by the country. Put them in work camps too? First, can you show an example of how employers "lure them in"? Are you kidding? Of course they lure them in, simply by virtue of being their ultimate enablers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #40 November 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteHow would you punish the unscrupulous employers that lure the illegals in to the country? They are equally responsible for any crimes and expenses incurred by the country. Put them in work camps too? First, can you show an example of how employers "lure them in"? Are you kidding? Of course they lure them in, simply by virtue of being their ultimate enablers. Bullshit. It's OUR fault because we're "the land of milk and honey" or something? Where's your evidence, Counselor? Kallend asserted that the employers "lure them in" - prove it.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #41 November 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteHow would you punish the unscrupulous employers that lure the illegals in to the country? They are equally responsible for any crimes and expenses incurred by the country. Put them in work camps too? First, can you show an example of how employers "lure them in"? Are you kidding? Of course they lure them in, simply by virtue of being their ultimate enablers. Bullshit. It's OUR fault because we're "the land of milk and honey" or something? Where's your evidence, Counselor? Kallend asserted that the employers "lure them in" - prove it. You're mischaracterizing my point. I'm not referring to the general affluence of the US. The particular lure, and enablement, to which I'm referring is the low-paying jobs which certain employers, wanting to keep labor costs down, quite deliberately make available to illegal migrants. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #42 November 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteHow would you punish the unscrupulous employers that lure the illegals in to the country? They are equally responsible for any crimes and expenses incurred by the country. Put them in work camps too? First, can you show an example of how employers "lure them in"? Are you kidding? Of course they lure them in, simply by virtue of being their ultimate enablers. Bullshit. It's OUR fault because we're "the land of milk and honey" or something? Where's your evidence, Counselor? Kallend asserted that the employers "lure them in" - prove it. You're mischaracterizing my point. I'm not referring to the general affluence of the US. The particular lure, and enablement, to which I'm referring is the low-paying jobs which certain employers, wanting to keep labor costs down, quite deliberately make available to illegal migrants. You had me *somewhat* agreeing until the "quite deliberately make available" part. It still looks like another "oh, it's not THEIR fault" in regards to the illegal aliens. Chicken/egg to an extent, but seeing all the discussion about fake Social Security cards, resident alien cards and all that, I'm guessing that MOST employers are doing the paperwork they ordinarily would for ANY employee. Yes, I'm sure there is some small amount of employers that are deliberately suppressing their pay and the other stuff you allude to - I do *not* feel it's in the majority, and I've not seen evidence it's in the majority, back home.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #43 November 22, 2007 You're still mischaracterizing my point. The Gentle Readers will either get my point, or they will not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #44 November 23, 2007 Quote The Gentle Readers Thank you, Ms. Landers. Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. 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masterrig 1 #28 November 18, 2007 QuoteOf course it bothers me. If no employers would hire them, they wouldn't come. Seems to me that it should be easier and cheaper to police a few thousand employers than a few million Mexicans. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There ya' go! I totally agree with you on that. That also happens to be a law on the books that isn't 'really' enforced. Chuck Quote We need to polic both, make an example of the people that employ illegals as well as the illegals that cross. How many people would still want to come into this country illegalyif they heard that people who were caught crossing the border were given all the healthcare they want under the condition that they work off the debt to the government? Sheriff Joe had it right, don't "punish" them for coming in just make them pay their dues in a work camp and then send them on their way. It isn't punishment, it's just making them pay for themselves instead of making the taxpayers suffer for their crimes. Sheriff Joe, has some really great ideas! Hit the employers hard in the wallet, also. Make them give-up all they 'saved' by hiring cheap labor. Allow border county law enforcement to assist Border Patrol. (Border counties here in Texas, are getting govt. money to assist Border Patrol) Allow the Border Patrol to do their job! More raids on businesses. Not only apprehending illegals but to levy fines to business owners. Not just focus on the Southwest border but our entire border. Just some ideas. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #29 November 18, 2007 QuoteMore raids on businesses. Not only apprehending illegals but to levy fines to business owners. Which is fine by me, in fact encouraged by me - as long as it doesn't take the form of de facto racial profiling. That means checking employers nation-wide, not just on the Mexican border. (In other words, it means trying as hard to catch the Irish, Chinese, Indian, Korean, Polish and Italian people who've overstayed their tourist visas and are working under the table, as we try to catch Gomez.) It means comparing the I-9's in the office to the entire work crew, not just confronting anyone out in the field, or cutting a lawn, or in the Wal-Mart stock-room who looks like a spic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterrig 1 #30 November 18, 2007 Quote Quote More raids on businesses. Not only apprehending illegals but to levy fines to business owners. Which is fine by me, in fact encouraged by me - as long as it doesn't take the form of de facto racial profiling. That means checking employers nation-wide, not just on the Mexican border. (In other words, it means trying as hard to catch the Irish, Chinese, Indian, Korean, Polish and Italian people who've overstayed their tourist visas and are working under the table, as we try to catch Gomez.) It means comparing the I-9's in the office to the entire work crew, not just confronting anyone out in the field, or cutting a lawn, or in the Wal-Mart stock-room who looks like a spic. Precisely! That's why, I said what I did about covering all of our border... not just the Southwest. I also said in a previous post, we need to re-gain our soveriegnty as a nation. All in all, I think, you and I are on the same page!Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #31 November 18, 2007 UH-OH!!! http://news.aol.com/story/_a/garcias-are-catching-up-to-joneses/20071117083109990001?ncid=NWS00010000000001 Try stopping that wave, Don Quixote. I imagine Sitting Bull would call it poetic justice. And so it goes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterrig 1 #32 November 18, 2007 Quote UH-OH!!! http://news.aol.com/story/_a/garcias-are-catching-up-to-joneses/20071117083109990001?ncid=NWS00010000000001 Try stopping that wave, Don Quixote. I imagine Sitting Bull would call it poetic justice. And so it goes. It was juat a matter of time! I was told this would happen, back in my government class in the 60's! Just be sure to roll the 'R's'. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #33 November 19, 2007 QuoteHow would you punish the unscrupulous employers that lure the illegals in to the country? They are equally responsible for any crimes and expenses incurred by the country. Put them in work camps too? First, can you show an example of how employers "lure them in"?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #34 November 19, 2007 Quote Quote How would you punish the unscrupulous employers that lure the illegals in to the country? They are equally responsible for any crimes and expenses incurred by the country. Put them in work camps too? First, can you show an example of how employers "lure them in"? Very droll... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #35 November 19, 2007 QuoteQuote I see them all the time in these parts I'm curious how you can tell. They drink heavy beer and say "eh?" a lot. "how's it goin', eh?" "you gonna eat that fish, eh?" "this is a cold beer, eh?" "eh, take off, eh?" ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #36 November 19, 2007 waht do you expect, and actual answer from kallend? He is more evasive than William Jefferson Clinton. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andrewwhyte 1 #37 November 19, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote I see them all the time in these parts I'm curious how you can tell. They drink heavy beer and say "eh?" a lot. "how's it goin', eh?" "you gonna eat that fish, eh?" "this is a cold beer, eh?" "eh, take off, eh?" Those aren't illegal aliens; they are environmental refugees (it's friggin cold up there in winter, eh). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterrig 1 #38 November 20, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Quote I see them all the time in these parts I'm curious how you can tell. They drink heavy beer and say "eh?" a lot. "how's it goin', eh?" "you gonna eat that fish, eh?" "this is a cold beer, eh?" "eh, take off, eh?" Those aren't illegal aliens; they are environmental refugees (it's friggin cold up there in winter, eh). 'Snowbirds'!Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #39 November 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteHow would you punish the unscrupulous employers that lure the illegals in to the country? They are equally responsible for any crimes and expenses incurred by the country. Put them in work camps too? First, can you show an example of how employers "lure them in"? Are you kidding? Of course they lure them in, simply by virtue of being their ultimate enablers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #40 November 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteHow would you punish the unscrupulous employers that lure the illegals in to the country? They are equally responsible for any crimes and expenses incurred by the country. Put them in work camps too? First, can you show an example of how employers "lure them in"? Are you kidding? Of course they lure them in, simply by virtue of being their ultimate enablers. Bullshit. It's OUR fault because we're "the land of milk and honey" or something? Where's your evidence, Counselor? Kallend asserted that the employers "lure them in" - prove it.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #41 November 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteHow would you punish the unscrupulous employers that lure the illegals in to the country? They are equally responsible for any crimes and expenses incurred by the country. Put them in work camps too? First, can you show an example of how employers "lure them in"? Are you kidding? Of course they lure them in, simply by virtue of being their ultimate enablers. Bullshit. It's OUR fault because we're "the land of milk and honey" or something? Where's your evidence, Counselor? Kallend asserted that the employers "lure them in" - prove it. You're mischaracterizing my point. I'm not referring to the general affluence of the US. The particular lure, and enablement, to which I'm referring is the low-paying jobs which certain employers, wanting to keep labor costs down, quite deliberately make available to illegal migrants. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #42 November 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteHow would you punish the unscrupulous employers that lure the illegals in to the country? They are equally responsible for any crimes and expenses incurred by the country. Put them in work camps too? First, can you show an example of how employers "lure them in"? Are you kidding? Of course they lure them in, simply by virtue of being their ultimate enablers. Bullshit. It's OUR fault because we're "the land of milk and honey" or something? Where's your evidence, Counselor? Kallend asserted that the employers "lure them in" - prove it. You're mischaracterizing my point. I'm not referring to the general affluence of the US. The particular lure, and enablement, to which I'm referring is the low-paying jobs which certain employers, wanting to keep labor costs down, quite deliberately make available to illegal migrants. You had me *somewhat* agreeing until the "quite deliberately make available" part. It still looks like another "oh, it's not THEIR fault" in regards to the illegal aliens. Chicken/egg to an extent, but seeing all the discussion about fake Social Security cards, resident alien cards and all that, I'm guessing that MOST employers are doing the paperwork they ordinarily would for ANY employee. Yes, I'm sure there is some small amount of employers that are deliberately suppressing their pay and the other stuff you allude to - I do *not* feel it's in the majority, and I've not seen evidence it's in the majority, back home.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #43 November 22, 2007 You're still mischaracterizing my point. The Gentle Readers will either get my point, or they will not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #44 November 23, 2007 Quote The Gentle Readers Thank you, Ms. Landers. Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 2 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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Andy9o8 2 #29 November 18, 2007 QuoteMore raids on businesses. Not only apprehending illegals but to levy fines to business owners. Which is fine by me, in fact encouraged by me - as long as it doesn't take the form of de facto racial profiling. That means checking employers nation-wide, not just on the Mexican border. (In other words, it means trying as hard to catch the Irish, Chinese, Indian, Korean, Polish and Italian people who've overstayed their tourist visas and are working under the table, as we try to catch Gomez.) It means comparing the I-9's in the office to the entire work crew, not just confronting anyone out in the field, or cutting a lawn, or in the Wal-Mart stock-room who looks like a spic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #30 November 18, 2007 Quote Quote More raids on businesses. Not only apprehending illegals but to levy fines to business owners. Which is fine by me, in fact encouraged by me - as long as it doesn't take the form of de facto racial profiling. That means checking employers nation-wide, not just on the Mexican border. (In other words, it means trying as hard to catch the Irish, Chinese, Indian, Korean, Polish and Italian people who've overstayed their tourist visas and are working under the table, as we try to catch Gomez.) It means comparing the I-9's in the office to the entire work crew, not just confronting anyone out in the field, or cutting a lawn, or in the Wal-Mart stock-room who looks like a spic. Precisely! That's why, I said what I did about covering all of our border... not just the Southwest. I also said in a previous post, we need to re-gain our soveriegnty as a nation. All in all, I think, you and I are on the same page!Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #31 November 18, 2007 UH-OH!!! http://news.aol.com/story/_a/garcias-are-catching-up-to-joneses/20071117083109990001?ncid=NWS00010000000001 Try stopping that wave, Don Quixote. I imagine Sitting Bull would call it poetic justice. And so it goes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #32 November 18, 2007 Quote UH-OH!!! http://news.aol.com/story/_a/garcias-are-catching-up-to-joneses/20071117083109990001?ncid=NWS00010000000001 Try stopping that wave, Don Quixote. I imagine Sitting Bull would call it poetic justice. And so it goes. It was juat a matter of time! I was told this would happen, back in my government class in the 60's! Just be sure to roll the 'R's'. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #33 November 19, 2007 QuoteHow would you punish the unscrupulous employers that lure the illegals in to the country? They are equally responsible for any crimes and expenses incurred by the country. Put them in work camps too? First, can you show an example of how employers "lure them in"?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #34 November 19, 2007 Quote Quote How would you punish the unscrupulous employers that lure the illegals in to the country? They are equally responsible for any crimes and expenses incurred by the country. Put them in work camps too? First, can you show an example of how employers "lure them in"? Very droll... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #35 November 19, 2007 QuoteQuote I see them all the time in these parts I'm curious how you can tell. They drink heavy beer and say "eh?" a lot. "how's it goin', eh?" "you gonna eat that fish, eh?" "this is a cold beer, eh?" "eh, take off, eh?" ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #36 November 19, 2007 waht do you expect, and actual answer from kallend? He is more evasive than William Jefferson Clinton. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #37 November 19, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote I see them all the time in these parts I'm curious how you can tell. They drink heavy beer and say "eh?" a lot. "how's it goin', eh?" "you gonna eat that fish, eh?" "this is a cold beer, eh?" "eh, take off, eh?" Those aren't illegal aliens; they are environmental refugees (it's friggin cold up there in winter, eh). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #38 November 20, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Quote I see them all the time in these parts I'm curious how you can tell. They drink heavy beer and say "eh?" a lot. "how's it goin', eh?" "you gonna eat that fish, eh?" "this is a cold beer, eh?" "eh, take off, eh?" Those aren't illegal aliens; they are environmental refugees (it's friggin cold up there in winter, eh). 'Snowbirds'!Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #39 November 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteHow would you punish the unscrupulous employers that lure the illegals in to the country? They are equally responsible for any crimes and expenses incurred by the country. Put them in work camps too? First, can you show an example of how employers "lure them in"? Are you kidding? Of course they lure them in, simply by virtue of being their ultimate enablers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #40 November 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteHow would you punish the unscrupulous employers that lure the illegals in to the country? They are equally responsible for any crimes and expenses incurred by the country. Put them in work camps too? First, can you show an example of how employers "lure them in"? Are you kidding? Of course they lure them in, simply by virtue of being their ultimate enablers. Bullshit. It's OUR fault because we're "the land of milk and honey" or something? Where's your evidence, Counselor? Kallend asserted that the employers "lure them in" - prove it.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #41 November 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteHow would you punish the unscrupulous employers that lure the illegals in to the country? They are equally responsible for any crimes and expenses incurred by the country. Put them in work camps too? First, can you show an example of how employers "lure them in"? Are you kidding? Of course they lure them in, simply by virtue of being their ultimate enablers. Bullshit. It's OUR fault because we're "the land of milk and honey" or something? Where's your evidence, Counselor? Kallend asserted that the employers "lure them in" - prove it. You're mischaracterizing my point. I'm not referring to the general affluence of the US. The particular lure, and enablement, to which I'm referring is the low-paying jobs which certain employers, wanting to keep labor costs down, quite deliberately make available to illegal migrants. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #42 November 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteHow would you punish the unscrupulous employers that lure the illegals in to the country? They are equally responsible for any crimes and expenses incurred by the country. Put them in work camps too? First, can you show an example of how employers "lure them in"? Are you kidding? Of course they lure them in, simply by virtue of being their ultimate enablers. Bullshit. It's OUR fault because we're "the land of milk and honey" or something? Where's your evidence, Counselor? Kallend asserted that the employers "lure them in" - prove it. You're mischaracterizing my point. I'm not referring to the general affluence of the US. The particular lure, and enablement, to which I'm referring is the low-paying jobs which certain employers, wanting to keep labor costs down, quite deliberately make available to illegal migrants. You had me *somewhat* agreeing until the "quite deliberately make available" part. It still looks like another "oh, it's not THEIR fault" in regards to the illegal aliens. Chicken/egg to an extent, but seeing all the discussion about fake Social Security cards, resident alien cards and all that, I'm guessing that MOST employers are doing the paperwork they ordinarily would for ANY employee. Yes, I'm sure there is some small amount of employers that are deliberately suppressing their pay and the other stuff you allude to - I do *not* feel it's in the majority, and I've not seen evidence it's in the majority, back home.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #43 November 22, 2007 You're still mischaracterizing my point. The Gentle Readers will either get my point, or they will not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #44 November 23, 2007 Quote The Gentle Readers Thank you, Ms. Landers. Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
