IanHarrop 43 #1 November 15, 2007 This is a good thing. I may not be for the continuation of the war but these guys signed up. Don't come to Canada to escape your commitments! http://www.macleans.ca/article.jsp?content=n111508A Supreme Court won't hear refugee appeals from two American army deserters November 15, 2007 - 10:08 THE CANADIAN PRESS OTTAWA - The Supreme Court of Canada will not hear the appeals of two U.S. army deserters who sought refugee status. The court has refused to hear the cases of Jeremy Hinzman and Brandon Hughey, who deserted after learning they were to be deployed to Iraq. They fled to Canada and asked for refugee status, claiming they opposed the war in Iraq as illegal and immoral. The Immigration and Refugee Board rejected their claims in 2005 and both the Federal Court and the Federal Court of Appeal refused to review the cases. As in usual in such cases, the high court gave no reasons for the decision."Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richards 0 #2 November 15, 2007 Good call. There is no draft, they signed up of thier own free will. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #3 November 15, 2007 Good!!Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,488 #4 November 15, 2007 If you're not willing to do the job; don't sign up for the pickle suit. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #5 November 15, 2007 Abso-fucking-lutely!!Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #6 November 15, 2007 Goddamn right! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #7 November 16, 2007 They should hand for being deserters in time of war. They are worse than being just useless Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IanHarrop 43 #8 November 16, 2007 QuoteThey should hand for being deserters in time of war. They are worse than being just useless So you figure a good slap would be the right thing to do? LOL"Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #9 November 16, 2007 Ah give me a break, it was a typo. I am not some kind of secretary, now am I? If you have seen my hands you would be amazed that I can type. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #10 November 17, 2007 They should hand for being deserters in time of war. They are worse than being just uselessQuote I'm wondering how long it's going to take for all the people to chime in calling these two brave and heroic for standing up for what they believe in. I'm sick of hearing about little fucks like this turning tail and running away, and I'm just as sick of seeing dirt bags faking injuries, coming up with fake mental problems, or intentionally getting themselves pregnant to get out of deployments. Didn't we used to punish cowards like this with a firing squad?? What happened to those days?History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites gonzalesna 1 #11 November 17, 2007 Good... pansies signed up and wussed out... Sad that in the 70's, these were the people that were applauded.Funny... everyone's agreeing on this thread... I thought this was speaker's corner... where everyone disagrees. Some people refrain from beating a dead horse. Personally, I find a myriad of entertainment value when beating it until it becomes a horse-smoothie. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites woodpecker 0 #12 November 17, 2007 Took the words right out of my mouth GQ_jumper. Fucking babies....what did they think they were getting into when they signed up?SONIC WOODY #146 There is a fine line between cockiness and confidence -- which side of the line are you on? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites akarunway 1 #13 November 17, 2007 QuoteThis is a good thing. I may not be for the continuation of the war but these guys signed up. Don't come to Canada to escape your commitments! http://www.macleans.ca/article.jsp?content=n111508A Supreme Court won't hear refugee appeals from two American army deserters November 15, 2007 - 10:08 THE CANADIAN PRESS OTTAWA - The Supreme Court of Canada will not hear the appeals of two U.S. army deserters who sought refugee status. The court has refused to hear the cases of Jeremy Hinzman and Brandon Hughey, who deserted after learning they were to be deployed to Iraq. They fled to Canada and asked for refugee status, claiming they opposed the war in Iraq as illegal and immoral. The Immigration and Refugee Board rejected their claims in 2005 and both the Federal Court and the Federal Court of Appeal refused to review the cases. As in usual in such cases, the high court gave no reasons for the decision.I agree. You signed on the dotted line for whatever reasons. Honor your obligation. Read the fine print before you do tho. I made sure I had an ironclad contract when I joined in 77. The only part that bothers me is THIS>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop-loss_policyI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #14 November 17, 2007 Here's some more grist for the mill in that regard. From a 1998 message from CG PERSCOM: QuoteOne of the Army's best initiatives to support retention of our career noncommissioned officers -- the indefinite reenlistment program -- is scheduled for implementation this October. And here's how it works: QuoteEach soldier will be processed in the RETAIN system, complete all reenlistment documents and take the oath. At that time, the new expiration of term of service date will become the same date as the retention control point for the current rank. From that point on, whenever the soldier is promoted, the expiration of term of service will be updated to reflect the retention control point for the new rank. After reenlisting for the indefinite program, a soldier will request voluntary separation or retirement, provided all service remaining requirements have been fulfilled, in a manner similar to officers. In other words... you don't get out until the Army *SAYS* you can get out - I know of a few folks in Germany that are in critical career fields that are still in, despite applying for separation.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 1969912 0 #15 November 17, 2007 So does that mean they can't kick back in Canada until the next Democrat president gives them a pardon/amnesty? "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites IanHarrop 43 #16 November 17, 2007 QuoteSo does that mean they can't kick back in Canada until the next Democrat president gives them a pardon/amnesty? If you're asking when will Canada actually send them packing I figure the Canadian courts have done the right thing but the Canadian governement is still the same old infficient mess its always been. It will probably be another 6 years before they actually get deported, if the governement doesn't lose track of them in the meantime."Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andrewwhyte 1 #17 November 17, 2007 QuoteQuoteSo does that mean they can't kick back in Canada until the next Democrat president gives them a pardon/amnesty? If you're asking when will Canada actually send them packing I figure the Canadian courts have done the right thing but the Canadian governement is still the same old infficient mess its always been. It will probably be another 6 years before they actually get deported, if the governement doesn't lose track of them in the meantime. Well it is not quite that bad. The next thing will be a letter from the refugee board telling them they are out of appeals; they will be asked to leave. After some time (either 14 or 28 days) they will become fugitives. Then they will hole up in a church for a while. Then they will leave. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #18 November 17, 2007 They should have RTU burned into their foreheads so they will not forget where they are going. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #19 November 17, 2007 QuoteDidn't we used to punish cowards like this with a firing squad?? What happened to those days? Because their civilian leaders did not even bother to serve at all for the most part.... talk about cowardice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,151 #20 November 17, 2007 Apparently desertion is becoming much more popular: www.kxmc.com/News/181529.asp... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #21 November 17, 2007 Well does that make you happy? Tell us what you think and quit quoting news stories to veil your own beliefs. I know, you won't do it, but you will be evasive and disingenous as usual. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #22 November 17, 2007 QuoteQuoteDidn't we used to punish cowards like this with a firing squad?? What happened to those days? Because their civilian leaders did not even bother to serve at all for the most part.... talk about cowardice. Looks like you're talking about the Dems, then... 107th (2001-2003) Congress (100 Reps vs. 66 Dems with military service). 108th (2003-2005) Congress (88 Reps vs. 64 Dems). Unfortunately, no such breakdown is available for the 109th or 110th Congress.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites IanHarrop 43 #23 November 17, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteSo does that mean they can't kick back in Canada until the next Democrat president gives them a pardon/amnesty? If you're asking when will Canada actually send them packing I figure the Canadian courts have done the right thing but the Canadian governement is still the same old infficient mess its always been. It will probably be another 6 years before they actually get deported, if the governement doesn't lose track of them in the meantime. Well it is not quite that bad. The next thing will be a letter from the refugee board telling them they are out of appeals; they will be asked to leave. After some time (either 14 or 28 days) they will become fugitives. Then they will hole up in a church for a while. Then they will leave. According to this article, he just got a work permit. One hand of our government doesn't know that the other is doing http://www.canada.com/theprovince/news/story.html?id=abadbc05-bf9d-4be6-9158-3eea17096638"Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andrewwhyte 1 #24 November 17, 2007 sigh Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #25 November 17, 2007 Care to actually break down the numbers for the ADMINISTRATION... they are the ones who dreamt up this cluster-fuck that you seem to love so much..I keep referring to them....and you bring up Congressional numbers.. a non-sequitur. Also since you love that list.. how many were in the reserves and National Guard.. when there was LITTLE chance of any kind of deployment for your vaunted list... Just like your Incompetent in Chief.. many of your R's "serving" were also in champagne units for good little rich white boys. 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gonzalesna 1 #11 November 17, 2007 Good... pansies signed up and wussed out... Sad that in the 70's, these were the people that were applauded.Funny... everyone's agreeing on this thread... I thought this was speaker's corner... where everyone disagrees. Some people refrain from beating a dead horse. Personally, I find a myriad of entertainment value when beating it until it becomes a horse-smoothie. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
woodpecker 0 #12 November 17, 2007 Took the words right out of my mouth GQ_jumper. Fucking babies....what did they think they were getting into when they signed up?SONIC WOODY #146 There is a fine line between cockiness and confidence -- which side of the line are you on? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #13 November 17, 2007 QuoteThis is a good thing. I may not be for the continuation of the war but these guys signed up. Don't come to Canada to escape your commitments! http://www.macleans.ca/article.jsp?content=n111508A Supreme Court won't hear refugee appeals from two American army deserters November 15, 2007 - 10:08 THE CANADIAN PRESS OTTAWA - The Supreme Court of Canada will not hear the appeals of two U.S. army deserters who sought refugee status. The court has refused to hear the cases of Jeremy Hinzman and Brandon Hughey, who deserted after learning they were to be deployed to Iraq. They fled to Canada and asked for refugee status, claiming they opposed the war in Iraq as illegal and immoral. The Immigration and Refugee Board rejected their claims in 2005 and both the Federal Court and the Federal Court of Appeal refused to review the cases. As in usual in such cases, the high court gave no reasons for the decision.I agree. You signed on the dotted line for whatever reasons. Honor your obligation. Read the fine print before you do tho. I made sure I had an ironclad contract when I joined in 77. The only part that bothers me is THIS>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop-loss_policyI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #14 November 17, 2007 Here's some more grist for the mill in that regard. From a 1998 message from CG PERSCOM: QuoteOne of the Army's best initiatives to support retention of our career noncommissioned officers -- the indefinite reenlistment program -- is scheduled for implementation this October. And here's how it works: QuoteEach soldier will be processed in the RETAIN system, complete all reenlistment documents and take the oath. At that time, the new expiration of term of service date will become the same date as the retention control point for the current rank. From that point on, whenever the soldier is promoted, the expiration of term of service will be updated to reflect the retention control point for the new rank. After reenlisting for the indefinite program, a soldier will request voluntary separation or retirement, provided all service remaining requirements have been fulfilled, in a manner similar to officers. In other words... you don't get out until the Army *SAYS* you can get out - I know of a few folks in Germany that are in critical career fields that are still in, despite applying for separation.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #15 November 17, 2007 So does that mean they can't kick back in Canada until the next Democrat president gives them a pardon/amnesty? "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IanHarrop 43 #16 November 17, 2007 QuoteSo does that mean they can't kick back in Canada until the next Democrat president gives them a pardon/amnesty? If you're asking when will Canada actually send them packing I figure the Canadian courts have done the right thing but the Canadian governement is still the same old infficient mess its always been. It will probably be another 6 years before they actually get deported, if the governement doesn't lose track of them in the meantime."Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #17 November 17, 2007 QuoteQuoteSo does that mean they can't kick back in Canada until the next Democrat president gives them a pardon/amnesty? If you're asking when will Canada actually send them packing I figure the Canadian courts have done the right thing but the Canadian governement is still the same old infficient mess its always been. It will probably be another 6 years before they actually get deported, if the governement doesn't lose track of them in the meantime. Well it is not quite that bad. The next thing will be a letter from the refugee board telling them they are out of appeals; they will be asked to leave. After some time (either 14 or 28 days) they will become fugitives. Then they will hole up in a church for a while. Then they will leave. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #18 November 17, 2007 They should have RTU burned into their foreheads so they will not forget where they are going. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #19 November 17, 2007 QuoteDidn't we used to punish cowards like this with a firing squad?? What happened to those days? Because their civilian leaders did not even bother to serve at all for the most part.... talk about cowardice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #20 November 17, 2007 Apparently desertion is becoming much more popular: www.kxmc.com/News/181529.asp... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #21 November 17, 2007 Well does that make you happy? Tell us what you think and quit quoting news stories to veil your own beliefs. I know, you won't do it, but you will be evasive and disingenous as usual. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #22 November 17, 2007 QuoteQuoteDidn't we used to punish cowards like this with a firing squad?? What happened to those days? Because their civilian leaders did not even bother to serve at all for the most part.... talk about cowardice. Looks like you're talking about the Dems, then... 107th (2001-2003) Congress (100 Reps vs. 66 Dems with military service). 108th (2003-2005) Congress (88 Reps vs. 64 Dems). Unfortunately, no such breakdown is available for the 109th or 110th Congress.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IanHarrop 43 #23 November 17, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteSo does that mean they can't kick back in Canada until the next Democrat president gives them a pardon/amnesty? If you're asking when will Canada actually send them packing I figure the Canadian courts have done the right thing but the Canadian governement is still the same old infficient mess its always been. It will probably be another 6 years before they actually get deported, if the governement doesn't lose track of them in the meantime. Well it is not quite that bad. The next thing will be a letter from the refugee board telling them they are out of appeals; they will be asked to leave. After some time (either 14 or 28 days) they will become fugitives. Then they will hole up in a church for a while. Then they will leave. According to this article, he just got a work permit. One hand of our government doesn't know that the other is doing http://www.canada.com/theprovince/news/story.html?id=abadbc05-bf9d-4be6-9158-3eea17096638"Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #25 November 17, 2007 Care to actually break down the numbers for the ADMINISTRATION... they are the ones who dreamt up this cluster-fuck that you seem to love so much..I keep referring to them....and you bring up Congressional numbers.. a non-sequitur. Also since you love that list.. how many were in the reserves and National Guard.. when there was LITTLE chance of any kind of deployment for your vaunted list... Just like your Incompetent in Chief.. many of your R's "serving" were also in champagne units for good little rich white boys. I hear there are some sweet contract positions at Balad....by the way.....$275K+ was the last one offered to me Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
