livendive 8 #26 November 14, 2007 QuoteQuote"Where should decisions about legalizing abortion lie? If you don't protect life, you can't protect liberty. And we now are at a stage where we allow the national government through the Supreme Court to permit the killing of an unborn baby anytime before birth. How do you protect somebody's right to go out and drink alcohol and smoke marijuana if you can't even protect life? As a physician, it's a legal entity. I could be sued if I hurt a fetus. I've been strongly pro-life, but I don't support nationalization of any of these problems. I voted against the marriage amendment. I want this to be held under our traditional form of republican government and let the states deal with it. . . ." Comment 2: He wants to hand over the abortion debate to the states. Do you really think that's going to make the "moral vote" very happy? This is the troubling part for me, "And we now are at a stage where we allow the national government through the Supreme Court to permit the killing of an unborn baby anytime before birth." He's describing a perceived problem, the only solution to which is putting a negative somewhere in that. Sure, the "leave it up to the states" thing sounds nice, but leaving it up to the states would not correct the perceived problem. In order to correct the "problem", he's got to do something that makes it so the federal government is NOT allowing, through the Supreme Court, the killing of an unborn baby. A government either requires, allows, or forbids something. Obviously our government doesn't require abortion, and I don't think anyone has proposed it do that. That leaves allowing or forbidding. He has a problem with "allowing" abortion, and changing that would only leave us with "forbidding". Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #27 November 14, 2007 Again, there is a distinctive messianic quality to your posts. You claim to see what nobody else sees. Know what others do not know. If you are the ONLY one who thinks something, then you may wish to evaluate whether you are correct. I am certainly not a fan of consesus, but there are times when it is useful. I will say I am sorry right up front for sealing your post You have just describe a liberal elitist"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #28 November 14, 2007 I have four examles of the elitist attitude. 1) Oregon votes NOT to fund a health care program (similar to the one vetoed by Bush) that would be funded by a tax on cigaretts. It goes down aprox 60% to 40%. Reaction? The votere were confused and did not know what they were voting for. Action? They will bring it up again soon2) I think it was South Carolina. 16 Counties voted on imposiong a new "exchange" tax on housing. Buying and selling housed (in those counties) would have at some level become a taxable event for home owner. Reaction? They do not know what they did. The issue is too complex for them. Action? Rescheduling another vote 3) (I can not remember the state) votes on a 630 million or billon (I know big difference but the reaction is what I want to expost). It goes down by a margin of over 60%. The Govener says bull shit, we are going to build it anyway4) Spitzer pulls his drivers license for illeagals proposal (polls show it not favored by 70 + %) Reaction? This has been made a polorizing issue by a few. They have blocked all "reasonable" attempt to make headway. I guess the voters are just too stupid to understand the great intent of these high minded politicosYou know, kind of like those of us who voted Bush in for a second term "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #29 November 14, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote"Where should decisions about legalizing abortion lie? If you don't protect life, you can't protect liberty. And we now are at a stage where we allow the national government through the Supreme Court to permit the killing of an unborn baby anytime before birth. How do you protect somebody's right to go out and drink alcohol and smoke marijuana if you can't even protect life? As a physician, it's a legal entity. I could be sued if I hurt a fetus. I've been strongly pro-life, but I don't support nationalization of any of these problems. I voted against the marriage amendment. I want this to be held under our traditional form of republican government and let the states deal with it. . . ." Comment 2: He wants to hand over the abortion debate to the states. Do you really think that's going to make the "moral vote" very happy? This is the troubling part for me, "And we now are at a stage where we allow the national government through the Supreme Court to permit the killing of an unborn baby anytime before birth." He's describing a perceived problem, the only solution to which is putting a negative somewhere in that. Sure, the "leave it up to the states" thing sounds nice, but leaving it up to the states would not correct the perceived problem. In order to correct the "problem", he's got to do something that makes it so the federal government is NOT allowing, through the Supreme Court, the killing of an unborn baby. A government either requires, allows, or forbids something. Obviously our government doesn't require abortion, and I don't think anyone has proposed it do that. That leaves allowing or forbidding. He has a problem with "allowing" abortion, and changing that would only leave us with "forbidding". Blues, Dave He proposed the "Sanctity of Life Act of 2005" (and 2007), which would require that "human life shall be deemed to exist from conception, without regard to race, sex, age, health, defect, or condition of dependency." Hardly a position of leaving the decisions to the states. In addition to being as just stupid as requiring that pi = 3 exactly.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #30 November 14, 2007 Quote Quote Quote But when I talk to people and they say, "You can be against the war and still be conservative?" I say, "Certainly." The conservative position is to not start wars and to obey the Constitution. Wow! That's some pretty damning evidence there. I'm convinced. PS I clicked on that link. USNews/Yahoo! should immediately eat shit and correct the (deliberate?) misnomer in the header of that interview "Libertarian Candidate Ron Paul." He's a Republican candidate for f.cks sake... I guess the joke's on you, you are the last guy thinking there is a difference. For fuck's safe, how many times does a candidate/politican have to cross back and forth between Repub/Libertar before everyon figures it out? Good luck with that. My voting history seems to disagree with your position. You'll find me supporting very few prominent Republicans. My top two choices of the Presidential candidates presented thus far are Obama and Paul, in that order. In the last Presidential election I voted for Badnarik. In the election before that, I voted for Gore. Are you telling me I'm a Republican? Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #31 November 14, 2007 QuoteQuotewe helped them beat the Germans and they were gonna march into Japan and kick their asses too until we decided to do the unthinkable; kill 200-300k mostly women and children. You really do hate this country, don't you? No, he just can't seem to find non partisan historical facts. I usually skip his posts, I should have not looked into this thread."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #32 November 14, 2007 Quote3) (I can not remember the state) votes on a 630 million or billon (I know big difference but the reaction is what I want to expost). It goes down by a margin of over 60%. The Govener says bull shit, we are going to build it anywayCrazy Sounds like the King County WA referendum on the New Seahawks Stadium. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #33 November 14, 2007 QuoteQuote3) (I can not remember the state) votes on a 630 million or billon (I know big difference but the reaction is what I want to expost). It goes down by a margin of over 60%. The Govener says bull shit, we are going to build it anywayCrazy Sounds like the King County WA referendum on the New Seahawks Stadium. So they have the same thing out there. did they vote it down too? what was the reactions?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #34 November 15, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote3) (I can not remember the state) votes on a 630 million or billon (I know big difference but the reaction is what I want to expost). It goes down by a margin of over 60%. The Govener says bull shit, we are going to build it anywayCrazy Sounds like the King County WA referendum on the New Seahawks Stadium. So they have the same thing out there. did they vote it down too? what was the reactions? It's a nice facility and the 'hawks went to the Superbowl,.. what was the question? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #35 November 15, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote3) (I can not remember the state) votes on a 630 million or billon (I know big difference but the reaction is what I want to expost). It goes down by a margin of over 60%. The Govener says bull shit, we are going to build it anywayCrazy Sounds like the King County WA referendum on the New Seahawks Stadium. How did the vote go? did the voters pass the bond issue to build it or not? So they have the same thing out there. did they vote it down too? what was the reactions? It's a nice facility and the 'hawks went to the Superbowl,.. what was the question?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
