Are the ice sheets really going to collapse?

[kelpdiver 2]

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>Come on - you know that's not science.

Actually, it is.

1) Create a new hypothesis based on known science.
2) Perform experiments to test the hypothesis. (In this case compare predicted results against actual results.)
3) Correct hypothesis as needed and repeat.

Sure, but then you do the commonly seen form of bad science where you conclude that the model is proven, rather than appears to fit what is going on.

In the financial world, all sorts of models are generated by coming up with a theory and backtesting it. Lots of practical, as well as ridiculous, hypotheses pass this form of validation.

[kallend 2,113]

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>Come on - you know that's not science.

Actually, it is.

1) Create a new hypothesis based on known science.
2) Perform experiments to test the hypothesis. (In this case compare predicted results against actual results.)
3) Correct hypothesis as needed and repeat.

Sure, but then you do the commonly seen form of bad science where you conclude that the model is proven, rather than appears to fit what is going on.

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Yes, gravity and quantum mechanics are indeed unproven. They just make predictions in line with what happens. So we use them.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[speedy 0]

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>Come on - you know that's not science.

Actually, it is.

1) Create a new hypothesis based on known science.
2) Perform experiments to test the hypothesis. (In this case compare predicted results against actual results.)
3) Correct hypothesis as needed and repeat.

and keep adjusting the models until they fit what you observe... correct?

and just when you thought you got it right, you have 25% less rain fall over the amozon, 50 w/m² more solar absorption over the east coasts of land masses.
But whats the problems the virtual model nearly works, let use it.

I don't think so.

Dave

Fallschirmsport Marl

[rushmc 23]

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>No, your claim was that 'the proof was in the pudding.'

Yes. That expression means "the validity of a recipe is if it works (and tastes good) not if the recipe looks good." Likewise, if climate models accurately predict the climate, then they work.

My coin came up heads. My model works just as well.

Come on - you know that's not science. Stop pretending just because you prefer the result. Besides, you can come up with a much better defense than 'they match the result.'

That is all they got and at best, it is a guess

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,113]

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>Come on - you know that's not science.

Actually, it is.

1) Create a new hypothesis based on known science.
2) Perform experiments to test the hypothesis. (In this case compare predicted results against actual results.)
3) Correct hypothesis as needed and repeat.

and keep adjusting the models until they fit what you observe... correct?

and just when you thought you got it right, you have 25% less rain fall over the amozon, 50 w/m² more solar absorption over the east coasts of land masses.
But whats the problems the virtual model nearly works, let use it.

I don't think so.

I think you need a lesson on the way science progresses.

Newton's "law of gravity" nearly works, and you use it a whole lot whether or not you realize that..

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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>nd just when you thought you got it right, you have 25% less rain fall over the amozon . . .

Yep. And just when you think you have gravity right, you find out that gravitational radiation from quasars and massive stellar bodies is much less than is predicted by theory. You can have two reactions to that:

1) Interesting result. That suggests new avenues of study.

2) GRAVITY IS A FRAUD! This proves that the so-called "gravitational model" is completely wrong. It's sad that so many gravity alarmists believe in the failed theories of Galileo, and keep using parachutes like a bunch of sheep. Fortunately some people still have an open mind and don't believe in the so-called "consensus" of gravitation.

Choose whichever one you prefer.

[Amazon 7]

Hell bring it on.. just think of all the kewl new dive sites there will be... .. about half of Florida.. new coral reefs...so there will far more habitat... Florida is one huge limestone ( read that coral rock) deposit, from when sea level was once higher.

Just think of all the new dive opportunites world wide... Bangladesh comes to mind..all those islands in the Pacific that are a few feet above sea level.. and are already flooding.

[kelpdiver 2]

If only global warming models were as easy to prove as walking up the Tower and dropping objects. (I esp liked the followup by Apollo astronauts)