rushmc 23 #101 November 15, 2007 Here is the google search I did incase you want to pick your own http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&as_qdr=all&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=Clinton+bin+laden&spell=1"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #102 November 15, 2007 >Funny that is how you remember it The Internet, my friend, means you can't rewrite history to suit your politics. Arlen Specter (R-PA) - "there's an obvious issue that will be raised internationally as to whether there is a diversionary motivation" John Ashcroft (R-MO) "there is a cloud over this presidency" (as a result of this bombing) Dan Coats (R-IN) "The president has been consumed with matters regarding his personal life. It raises questions about whether or not he had the time to devote to this issue, or give the kind of judgment that needed to be given to this issue to call for military action." Trent Lott (R-MI) "While I have been assured by administration officials that there is no connection with the impeachment process in the House of Representatives, I cannot support this military action in the Persian Gulf at this time. Both the timing and the policy are subject to question." Gerald Solomon (R-NY) "Never underestimate a desperate president. This time he means business. What option is left for getting impeachment off the front page and maybe even postponed?" That's just a sampling; most of the GOP was "siding with the terrorists" because of their hatred of Clinton. I have no doubt you would have been too, had DZ.com been around back then. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #103 November 15, 2007 Quote>Funny that is how you remember it The Internet, my friend, means you can't rewrite history to suit your politics. Arlen Specter (R-PA) - "there's an obvious issue that will be raised internationally as to whether there is a diversionary motivation" John Ashcroft (R-MO) "there is a cloud over this presidency" (as a result of this bombing)He bombed a asprin factory and, he did not even inform congress he was going to do it let alone ask if he could (like you all say bush had to do) Dan Coats (R-IN) "The president has been consumed with matters regarding his personal life. It raises questions about whether or not he had the time to devote to this issue, or give the kind of judgment that needed to be given to this issue to call for military action."Truth hurt, refer to my post above Trent Lott (R-MI) "While I have been assured by administration officials that there is no connection with the impeachment process in the House of Representatives, I cannot support this military action in the Persian Gulf at this time. Both the timing and the policy are subject to question."blow job city and his scandles my friend Gerald Solomon (R-NY) "Never underestimate a desperate president. This time he means business. What option is left for getting impeachment off the front page and maybe even postponed?"Well? That's just a sampling; most of the GOP was "siding with the terrorists" because of their hatred of Clinton. I have no doubt you would have been too, had DZ.com been around back then. You put it into the context of what was happening and how and why he did it and you have just proven my point that YOUR memory is a bit faulty. Interesting how you say the internet can't be used to re-write history. Hell man, we got you!"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #104 November 15, 2007 >He bombed a asprin factory See? You would have sided with the GOP (and the terrorists) in condemning him. You're proving my point. The GOP could have cared less about Bin Laden. They were far more interested in destroying Clinton than in hindering Bin Laden, as their actions demonstrated. >blow job city . . . I rest my case. Clinton attempts to take out Bin Laden, and all you can think about is how much you hate Clinton. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #105 November 15, 2007 Quote >He bombed a asprin factory See? You would have sided with the GOP (and the terrorists) in condemning him. You're proving my point. The GOP could have cared less about Bin Laden. They were far more interested in destroying Clinton than in hindering Bin Laden, as their actions demonstrated. >blow job city . . . I rest my case. Clinton attempts to take out Bin Laden, and all you can think about is how much you hate Clinton. Your desperation is showingYou are once again the king of twist in my book"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #106 November 15, 2007 Quote Quote >He bombed a asprin factory See? You would have sided with the GOP (and the terrorists) in condemning him. You're proving my point. The GOP could have cared less about Bin Laden. They were far more interested in destroying Clinton than in hindering Bin Laden, as their actions demonstrated. >blow job city . . . I rest my case. Clinton attempts to take out Bin Laden, and all you can think about is how much you hate Clinton. Your desperation is showingYou are once again the king of twist in my bood Twist in your bood - now there's an image to conjure with!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #107 November 15, 2007 >You are once again the king of twist in my book Out of rational arguments already? Or is the Newsmax website down? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #108 November 15, 2007 Quote at least this president is doing someting other than getting a blow job and then wasting millions on court dates determining weather a blow job is sex. while clinton was defending his blow job, the enron scandle (being fed millions by clinton ), osama and his plans and attacks, and the talaban were all going strong, planning attacks, and relieving many of their hard earned dollars. to bad clinton didn't spend any time or money on the serious issues. Where to begin... The GOP wasted the millions in court trying to win a political battle they lost (badly) at the polls in 92 and 96. Clinton did what any standing President would do. It's really funny blaming Enron on Clinton. Well, it's not funny if you were in CA getting fucked by the energy companies who were in bed with the Bush White House. I'd agree that Clinton mostly ignored foreign concerns, but there's no doubt that the GOP called his attacks against Iraq a political ploy to deflect attention from said trials. So there's wasn't exactly great support from them to go after people, and you can't expect the Democrats to be unified in such a task. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #109 November 15, 2007 at least bush is being accused of doing something. just think if osama was taken back in 1996 or so. can't imagine how many lives were lost and how much money was spent in afganistan, and how many lives in 911 and how many jobs from the market colapse after 911, could have not happened if clinton would have taken bin laden back in his term. just think about all the lives clinton could have saved if a blow job was a little less important than bin laden ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #110 November 16, 2007 You got caught Live with it"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #111 November 16, 2007 Quote I already served in the military, and am still serving (support). When are YOU volunteering to go to Afghanistan? I've spent much of my adult life working for one agency or another whose primary purpose was to serve the public (hospitals, crisis centers). They were jobs to work my way through school. I took those particular jobs because it seemed right to try and give something back to the community in which I lived but jobs that paid me was all they were. I did my work and they paid me. I'm now employed as a teacher. I do my work and they pay me. You took a job as a civilian contractor for far more money than you would make if you had stayed in the military and done the job. No problem with you doing a job and getting paid for it but your posts proclaiming you are 'working with the military' and working 'supporting our troops', combined with your attitude that anyone who doesn't join the military (a job you quit for more money) is not doing their patriotic duty is over the top. Do your job and do it well, take the money ...you earned it. Wrapping yourself in our flag and singing the National Anthem is a bit much for someone cashing in as a civilian contractor, however. Quote But yet, you always seem to have the Dem talking points on speed dial...imagine that. I am part of a large and growing percentage of Americans who realize we have been lied to and greatly resent the recent and significant errosions of the principles this once unique and great country was founded on ...all in the name of Homeland Security. You come back with variation # 174 of your 'but Clinton got a blowjob' and state the Dems did it too ...and for decades! The difference is the marked depth and breath of constitutional errosions led by the current administration. Another question for you, With all your flag waving, how can you call yourself a patriot and not be pissed off about it also? Start really working to serve your country and oppose those in OUR government who are destroying our great nation and I'll applaud your flag waving. Until then, you, GWB and your simple minded, bigoted, flag waving, America destroying friends can kiss my ass. [Of course, I mean this in the nicest possible way] ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #112 November 16, 2007 Quotepatriotism is dead in this country. No, "patriotism" is killing our country.----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #113 November 16, 2007 >Didnt have the guts to look? You're right. To think of all these cowards who tried to kill Bin Laden back in the 1990's - too bad they didn't have your guts, the sort of guts you need to search websites! If only we had done less and posted on DZ.com more. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #114 November 16, 2007 Quote Your desperation is showing... From this point forward I'll interpret this canned, trademark response of yours as a concession and submission to a logical beat-down. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #115 November 16, 2007 Quote I rest my case. Clinton attempts to take out Bin Laden, and all you can think about is how much you hate Clinton. I'm glad you are resting your case since it is pretty worn out and tired. Not even you are naive enough to believe what you just typed. Here's an interview from someone who actually knows what happened. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTtoHx-ia8A Since your next move will be to try and impune the integrity of Michael Scheur, he was the Head of the CIA's Bin Laden Unit and knows more about what we knew and did than anyone else on Earth. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #116 November 16, 2007 Quote Quote I already served in the military, and am still serving (support). When are YOU volunteering to go to Afghanistan? I've spent much of my adult life working for one agency or another whose primary purpose was to serve the public (hospitals, crisis centers). They were jobs to work my way through school. I took those particular jobs because it seemed right to try and give something back to the community in which I lived but jobs that paid me was all they were. I did my work and they paid me. I'm now employed as a teacher. I do my work and they pay me. If YOU aren't willing to go volunteer for the military while asking others when THEY are going to volunteer, then you're a hypocrite. Quote You took a job as a civilian contractor for far more money than you would make if you had stayed in the military and done the job. No problem with you doing a job and getting paid for it but your posts proclaiming you are 'working with the military' and working 'supporting our troops', combined with your attitude that anyone who doesn't join the military (a job you quit for more money) is not doing their patriotic duty is over the top. See above - and, actually, I was caught in the RIF of the late 80's as my career field was grossly overstaffed. I then spent almost 2 years working part-time jobs before landing one of those 'far more money' jobs making.... wait for it.... 25k/year. Quote Do your job and do it well, take the money ...you earned it. Wrapping yourself in our flag and singing the National Anthem is a bit much for someone cashing in as a civilian contractor, however. See above about the 'cashing in' part. Quote Quote But yet, you always seem to have the Dem talking points on speed dial...imagine that. I am part of a large and growing percentage of Americans who realize we have been lied to and greatly resent the recent and significant errosions of the principles this once unique and great country was founded on ...all in the name of Homeland Security. You come back with variation # 174 of your 'but Clinton got a blowjob' and state the Dems did it too ...and for decades! The difference is the marked depth and breath of constitutional errosions led by the current administration. As long as liberal hypocrites are trying to lay the blame for the world's ills solely at the feet of the conservatives (or what passes for them these days ), I'll be posting to show that the liberals are every bit as bad. Quote Another question for you, With all your flag waving, how can you call yourself a patriot and not be pissed off about it also? Show me where I've said that everything the Reps do is right. Quote Start really working to serve your country and oppose those in OUR government who are destroying our great nation and I'll applaud your flag waving. Hell, I'm still waiting to see YOU do anything - besides snide comments about intelligence and mental illness directed at anyone that doesn't agree with your worldview. Quote Until then, you, GWB and your simple minded, bigoted, flag waving, America destroying friends can kiss my ass. [Of course, I mean this in the nicest possible way] Likewise.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #117 November 16, 2007 Quote If YOU aren't willing to go volunteer for the military while asking others when THEY are going to volunteer, then you're a hypocrite. Just the cloth flapping, anthem singing ones. Quote Hell, I'm still waiting to see YOU do anything - besides snide comments about intelligence and mental illness directed at anyone that doesn't agree with your worldview. While I completely understand your necessity of broadening the stage in order to find a valid point to cling to, I direct you back to my statement of wanting to save my country (and restore our constitution) from the current administration and the yahoos that defend them ...the remainder of the worlds ills were not addressed.----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #118 November 16, 2007 Quote Quote Your desperation is showing... From this point forward I'll interpret this canned, trademark response of yours as a concession and submission to a logical beat-down. You can but you would be in error again. Tell me oh smart one, how do you respond to someone who totally avoids your point ??? Someone who makes bogus claims that I suspect they even know are bogusBut then the liberal eletist in you will not let you answer this one either."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #119 November 16, 2007 You know the replys. Ones like this, Ones that make no sense and are only meant to take threads off topic because YOU CANT ANSWER THE QUESTION!!!!!!! billvons smart ass post "I rest my case. Clinton attempts to take out Bin Laden, and all you can think about is how much you hate Clinton." when the record , hell forget it................."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #120 November 16, 2007 Quote and the prevoius 10 presidents wiped their ass with it also. it is surprising that so many are shocked at what is happening when we keep electing theese people. if someone has a better candidate or can do a better job please step forward. You have to be able to show that you can raise a quarter of a billion dollars to even ante up these days. That rules most good candidates out. Only those who have compromised themselves enough to get into the money system can play the game. Sad. But that's the reality of a corporate/lobbyist owned government. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #121 November 16, 2007 Quote at least bush is being accused of doing something. just think if osama was taken back in 1996 or so. can't imagine how many lives were lost and how much money was spent in afganistan, and how many lives in 911 and how many jobs from the market colapse after 911, could have not happened if clinton would have taken bin laden back in his term. just think about all the lives clinton could have saved if a blow job was a little less important than bin laden ! Hindsight is like that. Just think, if we hadn't helped Pakistan get the bomb then its current status wouldn't be so unnerving. If we hadn't aided Saddam in the 80's while he was killing people with chemical weapons we might not have had the current war. If we hadn't propped up Noreiga while he was drug dealing we wouldn't have had to take him out. If we hadn't overthrown a democracy in Iran then........ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #122 November 16, 2007 Quoteif we [US] hadn't helped Pakistan get the bomb then its current status wouldn't be so unnerving.Quote How did we help Pakistan's nuclear weapons program? As far as I am aware, the main "credit" goes to Dr. AQ Khan. VR/Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites idrankwhat 0 #123 November 16, 2007 Quote Since your next move will be to try and impune the integrity of Michael Scheur, he was the Head of the CIA's Bin Laden Unit and knows more about what we knew and did than anyone else on Earth. And we should have killed Hitler when he was just sitting in jail. Speaking of "impuning", care to give your thoughts on Richard Clarke's well documented case of the Bush administration's not giving a rat's ass about bin Laden because they were too busy creating a case for war with Iraq and pushing for a missile defense system? It's full of Bush, Rummy, Wolfie, Condie quotes, and everything. Interesting reading. "On September 12th, I left the video conferencing center and there, wandering alone around the situation room, was the president. He looked like he wanted something to do. He grabbed a few of us and closed the door to the conference room. "Look," he told us, "I know you have a lot to do and all, but I want you, as soon as you can, to go back over everything, everything. See if Saddam did this. See if he's linked in any way." I was once again taken aback, incredulous, and it showed. "But, Mr. President, Al Qaeda did this." "I know, I know, but - see if Saddam was involved. Just look. I want to know any shred-" "Absolutely, we will look-again." I was trying to be more respectful, more responsive. "But you know, we have looked several times for state sponsorship of Al Qaeda and not found any real linkages to Iraq. Iran plays a little, as does Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia, Yemen." "Look into Iraq, Saddam," the president said testily and left us. Or Bremer's quote in Feb of 2001. ""The new administration seems to be paying no attention to the problem of terrorism. What they will do is stagger along until there's a major incident and then suddenly say, 'Oh, my God, shouldn't we be organized to deal with this?'" Or how about this Bush quote to Woodward: ""I was not on point, but I knew [bin Laden] was a menace, and I knew he was a problem ... I was prepared to look at a plan that would be a thoughtful plan that would bring him to justice, and would have given the order to do that ... But I didn't feel that sense of urgency, and my blood was not nearly as boiling." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites idrankwhat 0 #124 November 16, 2007 QuoteQuoteif we [US] hadn't helped Pakistan get the bomb then its current status wouldn't be so unnerving.Quote How did we help Pakistan's nuclear weapons program? As far as I am aware, the main "credit" goes to Dr. AQ Khan. VR/Marg It seems that the four to five US administrations may have thought that it was best to befriend Pakistan in order to have an ally in the region, even if that meant giving them the bomb. There's new book out called "Deception" that chronicles it. I've heard a couple of interviews with the writers. I'm currently looking into this angle on the same story. "He soon discovered, however, that senior officials in government were taking quite the opposite view: they were breaking US and international non-proliferation protocols to shelter Pakistan's ambitions and even sell it banned WMD technology. In the closing years of the cold war, Pakistan was considered to have great strategic importance. It provided Washington with a springboard into neighbouring Afghanistan - a route for passing US weapons and cash to the mujahideen, who were battling to oust the Soviet army that had invaded in 1979. Barlow says, "We had to buddy-up to regimes we didn't see eye-to-eye with, but I could not believe we would actually give Pakistan the bomb. http://www.guardian.co.uk/pakistan/Story/0,,2188777,00.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterblaster72 0 #125 November 16, 2007 Quotehow do you respond to someone who totally avoids your point ??? Irony score 9.8/10 Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Next Page 5 of 8 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. 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idrankwhat 0 #123 November 16, 2007 Quote Since your next move will be to try and impune the integrity of Michael Scheur, he was the Head of the CIA's Bin Laden Unit and knows more about what we knew and did than anyone else on Earth. And we should have killed Hitler when he was just sitting in jail. Speaking of "impuning", care to give your thoughts on Richard Clarke's well documented case of the Bush administration's not giving a rat's ass about bin Laden because they were too busy creating a case for war with Iraq and pushing for a missile defense system? It's full of Bush, Rummy, Wolfie, Condie quotes, and everything. Interesting reading. "On September 12th, I left the video conferencing center and there, wandering alone around the situation room, was the president. He looked like he wanted something to do. He grabbed a few of us and closed the door to the conference room. "Look," he told us, "I know you have a lot to do and all, but I want you, as soon as you can, to go back over everything, everything. See if Saddam did this. See if he's linked in any way." I was once again taken aback, incredulous, and it showed. "But, Mr. President, Al Qaeda did this." "I know, I know, but - see if Saddam was involved. Just look. I want to know any shred-" "Absolutely, we will look-again." I was trying to be more respectful, more responsive. "But you know, we have looked several times for state sponsorship of Al Qaeda and not found any real linkages to Iraq. Iran plays a little, as does Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia, Yemen." "Look into Iraq, Saddam," the president said testily and left us. Or Bremer's quote in Feb of 2001. ""The new administration seems to be paying no attention to the problem of terrorism. What they will do is stagger along until there's a major incident and then suddenly say, 'Oh, my God, shouldn't we be organized to deal with this?'" Or how about this Bush quote to Woodward: ""I was not on point, but I knew [bin Laden] was a menace, and I knew he was a problem ... I was prepared to look at a plan that would be a thoughtful plan that would bring him to justice, and would have given the order to do that ... But I didn't feel that sense of urgency, and my blood was not nearly as boiling." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #124 November 16, 2007 QuoteQuoteif we [US] hadn't helped Pakistan get the bomb then its current status wouldn't be so unnerving.Quote How did we help Pakistan's nuclear weapons program? As far as I am aware, the main "credit" goes to Dr. AQ Khan. VR/Marg It seems that the four to five US administrations may have thought that it was best to befriend Pakistan in order to have an ally in the region, even if that meant giving them the bomb. There's new book out called "Deception" that chronicles it. I've heard a couple of interviews with the writers. I'm currently looking into this angle on the same story. "He soon discovered, however, that senior officials in government were taking quite the opposite view: they were breaking US and international non-proliferation protocols to shelter Pakistan's ambitions and even sell it banned WMD technology. In the closing years of the cold war, Pakistan was considered to have great strategic importance. It provided Washington with a springboard into neighbouring Afghanistan - a route for passing US weapons and cash to the mujahideen, who were battling to oust the Soviet army that had invaded in 1979. Barlow says, "We had to buddy-up to regimes we didn't see eye-to-eye with, but I could not believe we would actually give Pakistan the bomb. http://www.guardian.co.uk/pakistan/Story/0,,2188777,00.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterblaster72 0 #125 November 16, 2007 Quotehow do you respond to someone who totally avoids your point ??? Irony score 9.8/10 Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Next Page 5 of 8 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
masterblaster72 0 #125 November 16, 2007 Quotehow do you respond to someone who totally avoids your point ??? Irony score 9.8/10 Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
