District of Columbia v. Heller, 07-290

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Just some links for people to follow along with;

http://www.scotuswiki.com/index.php?title=DC_v._Heller
http://www.supremecourtus.gov/
http://www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/07-290.htm
http://www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/07-335.htm

No matter how it turns out, it ought to be interesting!

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[mnealtx 0]

Boy, that's the truth!!!

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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Boy, that's the truth!!!

I read that this morning. They try to take everyones guns and they'd better bring all the soldiers back me thinks.

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I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
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They try to take everyones guns and they'd better bring all the soldiers back me thinks.

I think it's a pretty big leap from A to B there and what is to me the most distrubing thing about it is that, to me, it seems like most people can't see the distinction between the two.

For instance, nowhere in the Constitution does it mention anything about me owning a car, yet, I certainly have one.

Where I see this going, worst case, is that guns will be treated just like every other device that requires licensing; cars, airplanes, ham radios . . .

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[lawrocket 3]

This is yet another reason why I so often support the ACLU. Many may find them to be at the top of the PC leadership. In some cases, unfortunately, they are. But the ACLU has filed an Amicus brief in favor of the People's right to bear arms under the Constitution.

Read these things and it may be enlightening. Look at the differences in how the briefs are done, and the tones of their arguments. There is some stuff going on about "rational basis" and "strict scrutiny." This may well turn the case.

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I read that this morning. They try to take everyones guns and they'd better bring all the soldiers back me thinks.

Really? Why?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Where I see this going, worst case, is that guns will be treated just like every other device that requires licensing; cars, airplanes, ham radios . . .

One difference: None of those items you list requires licensing to own, but a license is required to drive/fly/transmit off of your own premises.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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Where I see this going, worst case, is that guns will be treated just like every other device that requires licensing; cars, airplanes, ham radios . . .

One difference: None of those items you list requires licensing to own, but a license is required to drive/fly/transmit off of your own premises.

Well, they are all required to have registrations. And you see no way that same sort of thinking can't be adapted to firearms?

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[rushmc 23]

What has been the most interesting, at least to me, is to follow how the ruling of US vs Miller has been bastardized over the years. The true impact of that ruling is talked about in the link. Info can also be found in UCLA sites and many East Coast law school sites should you choose to look further.

http://www.guncite.com/gc2ndsup.html

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
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This is yet another reason why I so often support the ACLU. Many may find them to be at the top of the PC leadership. In some cases, unfortunately, they are. But the ACLU has filed an Amicus brief in favor of the People's right to bear arms under the Constitution.

doesn't that represent a dramatic change in their stance? They've been pretty adament that the 2nd is not about individuals, even if it's surrounded by individual rights and has the words "the people" in it.

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This is yet another reason why I so often support the ACLU. Many may find them to be at the top of the PC leadership. In some cases, unfortunately, they are. But the ACLU has filed an Amicus brief in favor of the People's right to bear arms under the Constitution.

Reading the first link, it was the ACRU that filed a amicus brief.

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This is yet another reason why I so often support the ACLU. Many may find them to be at the top of the PC leadership. In some cases, unfortunately, they are. But the ACLU has filed an Amicus brief in favor of the People's right to bear arms under the Constitution.

Reading the first link, it was the ACRU that filed a amicus brief.

Holy Jesus. Don't I look like the freaking idiot. Hey, rushmc - I need your mirror!

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This is yet another reason why I so often support the ACLU. Many may find them to be at the top of the PC leadership. In some cases, unfortunately, they are. But the ACLU has filed an Amicus brief in favor of the People's right to bear arms under the Constitution.

Reading the first link, it was the ACRU that filed a amicus brief.

Holy Jesus. Don't I look like the freaking idiot. Hey, rushmc - I need your mirror!

Sorry, I am using it

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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Where I see this going, worst case, is that guns will be treated just like every other device that requires licensing; cars, airplanes, ham radios . . .

One difference: None of those items you list requires licensing to own, but a license is required to drive/fly/transmit off of your own premises.

Well, they are all required to have registrations. And you see no way that same sort of thinking can't be adapted to firearms?

No I don't. The main reason we are required to register automobiles, etc. is so local and state government can get tax revenue for them. Registration is also helpful when it comes time to file an insurance claim as well.

What good will come of registering firearms? Criminals don't obtain their guns legally. Registration proceeds confiscation in the annals of history when it comes to firearms.

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I read that this morning. They try to take everyones guns and they'd better bring all the soldiers back me thinks.

Really? Why?

LOL. Cause I think there will be one helluva uprising if you try to take people guns away.

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I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

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I read that this morning. They try to take everyones guns and they'd better bring all the soldiers back me thinks.

Really? Why?

LOL. Cause I think there will be one helluva uprising if you try to take people guns away.

But would there really? Would you be prepared to shoot a policeman who tried to confiscate your weapons?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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I read that this morning. They try to take everyones guns and they'd better bring all the soldiers back me thinks.

Really? Why?

LOL. Cause I think there will be one helluva uprising if you try to take people guns away.

But would there really? Would you be prepared to shoot a policeman who tried to confiscate your weapons?

It they are wrong?

Yes

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
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I read that this morning. They try to take everyones guns and they'd better bring all the soldiers back me thinks.

Really? Why?

LOL. Cause I think there will be one helluva uprising if you try to take people guns away.

But would there really? Would you be prepared to shoot a policeman who tried to confiscate your weapons?

I'll take the 5th

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

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Really? Why?

LOL. Cause I think there will be one helluva uprising if you try to take people guns away.

But would there really? Would you be prepared to shoot a policeman who tried to confiscate your weapons?

There are a hell of a lot more of us than there are cops, so it doesn't take many.

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There are a hell of a lot more of us than there are cops, so it doesn't take many.

Just as the 2nd intended. Balance.

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There are a hell of a lot more of us than there are cops, so it doesn't take many.

Just as the 2nd intended. Balance.

That begs the question. Who's side is the military and the national guard going to take? And the cops.

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I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
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There are a hell of a lot more of us than there are cops, so it doesn't take many.

Just as the 2nd intended. Balance.

That begs the question. Who's side is the military and the national guard going to take? And the cops.

Well, God willing, it will never come to that. I's too horrible to contemplate. But my guess is that the military would be strongly in favor of the "good guys" (strict 2nd believers), and the civilian police better than 50/50 in favor of the "good guys". It doesn't really matter though, because US citizens are armed well enough that even the (fully supportive) military would be unsuccessful (again, as intended by the 2nd).

"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
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Where I see this going, worst case, is that guns will be treated just like every other device that requires licensing; cars, airplanes, ham radios . . .

One difference: None of those items you list requires licensing to own, but a license is required to drive/fly/transmit off of your own premises.

Well, they are all required to have registrations. And you see no way that same sort of thinking can't be adapted to firearms?

No, you've just been socialized to think that they must have registrations.

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They try to take everyones guns and they'd better bring all the soldiers back me thinks.

I think it's a pretty big leap from A to B there and what is to me the most distrubing thing about it is that, to me, it seems like most people can't see the distinction between the two.

For instance, nowhere in the Constitution does it mention anything about me owning a car, yet, I certainly have one.

Where I see this going, worst case, is that guns will be treated just like every other device that requires licensing; cars, airplanes, ham radios . . .

You don't have an EXPLICITLY STATED Constitutional right to own a car. While the difference may seem minor, it is not.

As for the "just like cars" comment... please see my post a while back on that, in response to Kallend.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706