lawrocket 3 #26 November 7, 2007 QuoteIsn't murder a state crime? Usually, yes. 99% of the time the feds stay out of it. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #27 November 7, 2007 QuoteAs I mentioned in another thread, this one quote from his website is enough to make me unlikely to vote for him: "In Congress, I have authored legislation that seeks to define life as beginning at conception, HR 1094." I don't consider that to be an "irrelevant issue" to how he will run the country. Practically, this is a non-issue. There is no way such a bill could make it into law. No way. It's too extreme. If you like his platform, don't let this bit of window dressing for small portion of the population deter you from supporting him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #28 November 7, 2007 About 25% of pregnancies end in miscarriage. Within the text of HR 1094, these are legally human lives, so I would imagine that they should be treated like any other human death. How and why did it happen? Who is responsible? Can a woman be put in jail if she has a miscarriage and it is found that she was drinking caffeine every day while pregnant? Would that be murder since it is common knowledge that caffeine increases the risk of miscarriage? This is the can of worms that I am referring to, but perhaps someone with more legal experience than I, can tell me if I am wrong in being concerned about this? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #29 November 7, 2007 QuoteThere is no way such a bill could make it into law. No way. It's too extreme. I think you're probably right, but it still tells me something about him that I don't like. Other than that, I do like his ideas on most issues. And it's unlikely I'll find a candidate who I agree with 100% on everything. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #30 November 7, 2007 Quote Isn't murder a state crime? Depends on who you murder.I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #31 November 7, 2007 QuoteIsn't murder a state crime? Yes."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #32 November 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteThere is no way such a bill could make it into law. No way. It's too extreme. I think you're probably right, but it still tells me something about him that I don't like. Other than that, I do like his ideas on most issues. And it's unlikely I'll find a candidate who I agree with 100% on everything. You will never find anyone who agrees with you on everything. e.g. I love Bill Maher, even though he is wrong about gun control. Of the declared candidates, only Gravel, Paul, and Kucinch have their heads on straight regarding our biggest problem: Iraq. Gravel hasn't had much luck raising funds, Kucinich isn't being taken seriously, IMHO, just because of his small stature. I don't agree with Paul on abortion or universal healthcare, but he is right about EVERYTHING else, and he has momentum building, so he looks like the best bet to me."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #33 November 7, 2007 Quote He's saying the FEDERAL government should stay out of it. Not protect abortion, nor ban abortion. Leave it up to the states. That's one thing he's saying. Another thing he's saying is that he introduced legislation that would have the government define life as beginning at conception. These two statements are at odds with each other, as the latter is not staying out of it and leaving it up to the states. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #34 November 7, 2007 Quote Quote He's saying the FEDERAL government should stay out of it. Not protect abortion, nor ban abortion. Leave it up to the states. That's one thing he's saying. Another thing he's saying is that he introduced legislation that would have the government define life as beginning at conception. These two statements are at odds with each other, as the latter is not staying out of it and leaving it up to the states. Blues, Dave why? if murder is legislated and dealt with on the state level, then his proposed legislation (which would have a PR effect of comparing abortion to murder - but STILL up to the state to decide HOW it fits the more contemporary definition) aligns also with leaving it up to the states I don't see the statements "at odds" with his abortion position, I just see the legislation as moot to his abortion position. But, legislators NEVER just put out impotent proposals to reflect some interest groups platforms..... ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #35 November 7, 2007 QuoteQuote He's saying the FEDERAL government should stay out of it. Not protect abortion, nor ban abortion. Leave it up to the states. That's one thing he's saying. Another thing he's saying is that he introduced legislation that would have the government define life as beginning at conception. These two statements are at odds with each other, as the latter is not staying out of it and leaving it up to the states. ----- no they're not at odds with each other. With the HR statement, he is laying the groundwork for defense of the position that the FEDERAL government should not step in to protect abortion rights. In this way the FEDERAL government wouldn't fight for either side, and if you wanna fight for or against abortion rights, you would have to do it on the state level. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pop 0 #36 November 7, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Quote Isn't murder a state crime? I don't know. Is it? I don't know either, I think so. What do you think? I think it's unimportant, and by mentioning it, I created a distraction from what my actual point was. Nice 7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #37 November 7, 2007 Are you speaking from first hand knowledge? If so you are really dating yourself. Quote Hey wake up will ya? Kallend has been dating himself for a loooooong time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ryoder 1,590 #38 November 7, 2007 Quote Are you speaking from first hand knowledge? If so you are really dating yourself. Quote Hey wake up will ya? Kallend has been dating himself for a loooooong time. I date myself all the time. I'm a cheap date, and I never try to drag myself to the mall to go "shopping"."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #39 November 7, 2007 Hey that's cool, as long as you don't slip yourself a rufinol and bang yourself in the behind Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jdthomas 0 #40 November 8, 2007 I am really digging what he is saying as well, most of his stuff seems spot on to me and as of right now he has my vote.www.greenboxphotography.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #41 November 8, 2007 Mr Paul is making a showing here in Iowa. Some are saying he may take the caucasuses. He is running adds I am hearing many times a day. Going to fun to watch. While I do not like a couple of his positions, overall he makes good sense to me."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 2 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
pop 0 #36 November 7, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Quote Isn't murder a state crime? I don't know. Is it? I don't know either, I think so. What do you think? I think it's unimportant, and by mentioning it, I created a distraction from what my actual point was. Nice 7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #37 November 7, 2007 Are you speaking from first hand knowledge? If so you are really dating yourself. Quote Hey wake up will ya? Kallend has been dating himself for a loooooong time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #38 November 7, 2007 Quote Are you speaking from first hand knowledge? If so you are really dating yourself. Quote Hey wake up will ya? Kallend has been dating himself for a loooooong time. I date myself all the time. I'm a cheap date, and I never try to drag myself to the mall to go "shopping"."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #39 November 7, 2007 Hey that's cool, as long as you don't slip yourself a rufinol and bang yourself in the behind Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdthomas 0 #40 November 8, 2007 I am really digging what he is saying as well, most of his stuff seems spot on to me and as of right now he has my vote.www.greenboxphotography.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #41 November 8, 2007 Mr Paul is making a showing here in Iowa. Some are saying he may take the caucasuses. He is running adds I am hearing many times a day. Going to fun to watch. While I do not like a couple of his positions, overall he makes good sense to me."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
