warpedskydiver 0 #1 November 7, 2007 http://www.fred08.com/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 866 #2 November 7, 2007 It's sad and scary that a man that makes that much honest sense is soooo far behind Hillbillary. She scares the bejesus outta me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AWL71 0 #3 November 7, 2007 I think Fred is going to come on strong in ther near future. And the thought of Hillary in the White House scares the hell out of me as well.The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #4 November 7, 2007 Quote It's sad and scary that a man that makes that much honest sense is soooo far behind Hillbillary. She scares the bejesus outta me. It's all about who has the most money. Be careful about voicing any objections about the amount of money being given to candidates. Some around here might accuse you of pissing all over the First Amendment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #5 November 7, 2007 Quote http://www.fred08.com/ Isn't that a veiled way of asking for money? Shouldn't it be in the classified ads? You work for his campaign?I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pop 0 #6 November 7, 2007 Quotehttp://www.fred08.com/ He lost my vote when he mentioned God. Church and State are supposed to be separate.7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #7 November 7, 2007 QuoteQuotehttp://www.fred08.com/ He lost my vote when he mentioned God. Church and State are supposed to be separate. Your understanding is incorrect. Government cannot stipulate a national religion or church - that's it. The concept has *obviously* been twisted well out of shape in recent years.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 866 #8 November 7, 2007 In America, they will ALL mention God - or religion...there's a large constituency that do want someone with religious beliefs or values. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #9 November 7, 2007 QuoteQuotehttp://www.fred08.com/ He lost my vote when he mentioned God. Church and State are supposed to be separate. You must hate it when Congress convenes then, each session begins with a prayer.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pop 0 #10 November 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuotehttp://www.fred08.com/ He lost my vote when he mentioned God. Church and State are supposed to be separate. You must hate it when Congress convenes then, each session begins with a prayer. I did not know that, but now that I do I dont like it. George Bush: 'God told me to end the tyranny in Iraq'. The results arent impressive. I hope Fred isnt listening to the same God.7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 866 #11 November 7, 2007 as do most major sporting events, the inaguaration of political office, graduation ceremonies,...aren't we still "One Nation Under God"? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #12 November 7, 2007 QuoteIn America, they will ALL mention God - or religion...there's a large constituency that do want someone with religious beliefs or values. Thompson made a point of showing himself with Reagan. Reagan managed to appeal to the religious right, but didn't go out of his way to invoke God, abortion or prayer in schools (the hot button of the day). He left that to his promoters. His comments that our rights come from God tend to a position that there can be no discussion about which rights we have; I don't find that helpful at all. Intransigence is not leadership. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #13 November 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuotehttp://www.fred08.com/ He lost my vote when he mentioned God. Church and State are supposed to be separate. You must hate it when Congress convenes then, each session begins with a prayer. I did not know that, but now that I do I dont like it. George Bush: 'God told me to end the tyranny in Iraq'. The results arent impressive. I hope Fred isnt listening to the same God. 90+% of the people in the world believe in a "God" of one degree or another. If someone bows their head in prayer, that does not mean you need to. "God" does not equal "religion" in the strictest sense.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #14 November 7, 2007 QuoteQuotehttp://www.fred08.com/ He lost my vote when he mentioned God. Church and State are supposed to be separate. He knows they are separate, and yet is willing to reveal his own beliefs. To know what is in hs heart even if some will not like it is honest and probably the best idea of what kind of man he is. Fred will do what is right, what is constitutional, and will not ever pander. Another way to determine what kind of person he is might be observed in his statements regarding Philip Martin, the man who provides the plane that Fred rides on. Philip Martin was once a drug dealer, he was caugght convicted, and given a suspended sentence. He later broke the terms of that suspended sentence and was punished for it. Since that time back in the 80's philip Martin had turned his life around, and yet people want to pick on the fact he is a felon. Fred did not run away from Philip, he stood his ground, said that Philip is a good man who has changed his ways, made mistakes in the past he was punsihed for, and now strives to do what is right and lawful. Now you tell me that someone who is closed minded and a far right religous zealot who would burn others at the stake for any transgression would know such a man, and understand that people make mistakes, and will suffer the consequences. He would not now involve himself with a person who is a current criminal, nor continue to judge someone for the past, if the person has changed. Contrast that with people who still embrace active criminals, pardon those who are on the run from the law, and they themselves are known to have violated federal and state statutes, while maintaining they have some sort of priveledge to do so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #15 November 7, 2007 QuoteGeorge Bush: 'God told me to end the tyranny in Iraq'. I'm amazed at how many people take this third hand rumor as truth. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #16 November 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteGeorge Bush: 'God told me to end the tyranny in Iraq'. I'm amazed at how many people take this third hand rumor as truth. It slams Bush...of *course* it must be true!Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,565 #17 November 7, 2007 Quote He knows they are separate, and yet is willing to reveal his own beliefs. He states in his core principles that society needs to be predicated on a belief in GodDo you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #18 November 7, 2007 Quote Quote He knows they are separate, and yet is willing to reveal his own beliefs. He states in his core principles that society needs to be predicated on a belief in God That's basically been a core principle for most Americans from the start. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,113 #19 November 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteGeorge Bush: 'God told me to end the tyranny in Iraq'. I'm amazed at how many people take this third hand rumor as truth. First hand - you heard him say it yourself. Second hand - you heard it from someone that heard him say it. Third hand - you heard it on the news or read it in a paper, reported by someone who wasn't actually there. Seems like an awful lot of what we hear is third hand news rumor. Does that make all of it unbelievable? The White House when asked about it, refused to deny or confirm that Bush said it.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,565 #20 November 7, 2007 Quote Quote Quote He knows they are separate, and yet is willing to reveal his own beliefs. He states in his core principles that society needs to be predicated on a belief in God That's basically been a core principle for most Americans from the start. Then most Americans are wrong, and a candidate for high office shouldn't be looking to use that office to pimp out their personal saviour.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AWL71 0 #21 November 7, 2007 Quote Quote He knows they are separate, and yet is willing to reveal his own beliefs. He states in his core principles that society needs to be predicated on a belief in God And what is wrong with that? Just because you don't like that platform does not mean that others won't. And what do you care? You don't have a dog in this fight.The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 866 #22 November 7, 2007 ummm...historically speaking...I'd have to say you're wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #23 November 7, 2007 Read the Declaration of Independance for once will you? Do not just let others tell you what is says, but read it. To believe in god is not some form of mental retardation, it is a belief shared by most of the worlds population, yet it does not make one a diciple of a religion now does it? You do not have to believe in god to realize that all of us were born with rights that are endowed by our creator, and those rights are inalieble. You are merely the recipient of the sacrifices made by those individuals who were willing to do something for all of us, even at the expense of their lives, and their own families fate. So be an atheist, agnostic or bible thumper, you choose, but if you know in your heart that others should have the same freedoms you do, without infringing on others rights, you will understand their right to think and believe whatevere they like. The constitution is that all encomapassing. If you want a country that believes we should never mention god, you should have lived in the USSR, or China and been happy about it. Go worship the collective if you are not happy here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #24 November 7, 2007 As someone else pointed out, you do not live here, vote in our country, nor work here. So do yourself a favor and shut the hell up. I won't tell you how to run your country, and you should do the same. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #25 November 7, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Quote He knows they are separate, and yet is willing to reveal his own beliefs. He states in his core principles that society needs to be predicated on a belief in God That's basically been a core principle for most Americans from the start. Then most Americans are wrong Why? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
