kallend 2,146 #51 November 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuotehttp://www.fred08.com/ He lost my vote when he mentioned God. Church and State are supposed to be separate. You must hate it when Congress convenes then, each session begins with a prayer. I did not know that, but now that I do I dont like it. George Bush: 'God told me to end the tyranny in Iraq'. The results arent impressive. I hope Fred isnt listening to the same God. 90+% of the people in the world believe in a "God" of one degree or another. If someone bows their head in prayer, that does not mean you need to. "God" does not equal "religion" in the strictest sense. Belief in higher power makes religion. God tends to be that higher power. I believe in God, but God doesnt tell me to invade countries. If he did that's a problem. . Maybe that's because even if he told YOU to invade a country, you don't have an army to take with you. God apparently had no qualms about telling Joshua to invade Canaan.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pop 0 #52 November 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteTo repeat the part of Fred's core principles that I take issues with - the part where he says stable society must be predicated upon a belief in God. When did he say that in that video clip? I heard "Our rights come from God, not government". From what I understand from that is we are born with those rights is this country, government doesn't give them to us. In Gods eyes we are all equal. however in the eyes of politics of different countries we are not all equal. God doesnt decide our righs or freedoms....our government does.7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,593 #53 November 7, 2007 QuoteWhen did he say that in that video clip? I heard "Our rights come from God, not government". His website also contains these funky new things called written words. Crazy, I know, but technology just keeps on marching.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pop 0 #54 November 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuotehttp://www.fred08.com/ He lost my vote when he mentioned God. Church and State are supposed to be separate. You must hate it when Congress convenes then, each session begins with a prayer. I did not know that, but now that I do I dont like it. George Bush: 'God told me to end the tyranny in Iraq'. The results arent impressive. I hope Fred isnt listening to the same God. 90+% of the people in the world believe in a "God" of one degree or another. If someone bows their head in prayer, that does not mean you need to. "God" does not equal "religion" in the strictest sense. Belief in higher power makes religion. God tends to be that higher power. I believe in God, but God doesnt tell me to invade countries. If he did that's a problem. . Maybe that's because even if he told YOU to invade a country, you don't have an army to take with you. God apparently had no qualms about telling Joshua to invade Canaan. God tells me I need to kill my neighbors. I dont need an army to do. Since God had no qualms about telling Joshua to invade Canaan, then following your reasoning its okay or me to kill my neighbors as long as God told me.7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #55 November 7, 2007 QuoteHate to break it to you cowboy but the US doesn't have a great reputation on human rights lately. Your right! We should look at China, Pakistan, Palestine or Iran to see how they do it.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,593 #56 November 7, 2007 QuoteIf you consider doing what it takes to glean information from an enemy a human rights violation then that is just sad. If doing what it takes means torture then yeah, it's a human rights violation. Especially when you start accidentally doing it to people who don't actually know anything. It doesn't stop being a violation just because you really really want to do it.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sdctlc 0 #57 November 7, 2007 QuoteQuotehttp://www.fred08.com/ He lost my vote when he mentioned God. Church and State are supposed to be separate. They all seem to pontificate about God to some degree. Obamma talks about God a fair bit and is pandering to a demographic he is trying to win votes from but does not get lambasted in the media for it like the GOP candidates do. Go figure. If the Equation is "God Talk" = "$" then the candidates will do it. The "God" demographic is big and dont be fooled that it is limited to hard core far right, that would simply be foolish.. Scott C."He who Hesitates Shall Inherit the Earth!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #58 November 7, 2007 Quote If you consider doing what it takes to glean information from an enemy a human rights violation then that is just sad. The ends justify the means. Actually I do believe that. So does the SCOTUS. It's a shame you have so little respect for the US constitution. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #59 November 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteBecause a stable society does not need to be predicated on a belief in god. He's stating a principle, not an absolute fact. So, when he says it is one of his core beliefs that a healthy society is predicated on a belief in God... he's not actually saying that he thinks a healthy society needs to be predicated on a belief in God? Wow, the english language is so flexible. Now you're resorting to cheap word games. how nice. Why do you even care? Seriously, you seem to consistently get hostile whenever the subject of faith comes up. Why do you care if Fred Thompson believes "a stable society does not need to be predicated on a belief in God"? I understand the whole back and forth dynamic of this forum, but you seem to take this personally. Why? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,593 #60 November 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteBecause a stable society does not need to be predicated on a belief in god. Actually it does. prove it Prove it doesn't. God is an exercise in faith and that is why weak minded people have a hard time with God. What does an excercise in faith have to do with stable society? I'll ask you again, which part of society do you think would crumble without belief in god?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,593 #61 November 7, 2007 QuoteNow you're resorting to cheap word games. how nice. Last time I checked, you were the one saying he doesn't actually think that one of his "core beliefs" was true. It would also be neat if you could point out the hostility anywhere in my reply. Cheers!Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AWL71 0 #62 November 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteBecause a stable society does not need to be predicated on a belief in god. Actually it does. prove it Prove it doesn't. God is an exercise in faith and that is why weak minded people have a hard time with God. What does an excercise in faith have to do with stable society? I'll ask you again, which part of society do you think would crumble without belief in god? If you have to ask you would not understand the answer. I am not interested in winning this arguement. I just think a society that has a belief in God and has some sort of moral compass is better off than a society without one.The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #63 November 7, 2007 QuoteQuotehttp://www.fred08.com/ He lost my vote when he mentioned God. Church and State are supposed to be separate. Well, the Dems have been actively seeking out the religious vote. Remember in June when Hillary was at a forum on religion and politics and said that she would not have withstood her hubby's "it was just a blowjob" moments had it not been for her faith? "I am not sure I would have gotten through it without my faith," she said. "I am very grateful that I had a grounding in faith that gave me the courage and the strength to do what I thought was right. Regardless of what the world thought, and that's all one can expect or hope for." Obama stated that his politics are grounded in his faith. Or John Edwards: "I strayed away from the Lord for a period of time ... my faith came roaring back during some crises that my family was faced with...When Elizabeth and I lost our son, we were non-functional for a period of time, it was the Lord that got me through that." The Dems know and understand that the religious vote got Bush elected. They see it as a voting bloc that they can pander to. Pop - if public comments about God means you won't be voting for the person who made the comments, you will probably be sitting this election out. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AWL71 0 #64 November 7, 2007 QuoteQuote If you consider doing what it takes to glean information from an enemy a human rights violation then that is just sad. The ends justify the means. Actually I do believe that. So does the SCOTUS. It's a shame you have so little respect for the US constitution. No I have plenty of respect for our Constitution. It is a document worth defending at any and all costs.The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #65 November 7, 2007 Quote No I have plenty of respect for our Constitution. It is a document worth defending at any and all costs. Even at the cost of breaking it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pop 0 #66 November 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuotehttp://www.fred08.com/ He lost my vote when he mentioned God. Church and State are supposed to be separate. Well, the Dems have been actively seeking out the religious vote. Remember in June when Hillary was at a forum on religion and politics and said that she would not have withstood her hubby's "it was just a blowjob" moments had it not been for her faith? "I am not sure I would have gotten through it without my faith," she said. "I am very grateful that I had a grounding in faith that gave me the courage and the strength to do what I thought was right. Regardless of what the world thought, and that's all one can expect or hope for." Obama stated that his politics are grounded in his faith. Or John Edwards: "I strayed away from the Lord for a period of time ... my faith came roaring back during some crises that my family was faced with...When Elizabeth and I lost our son, we were non-functional for a period of time, it was the Lord that got me through that." The Dems know and understand that the religious vote got Bush elected. They see it as a voting bloc that they can pander to. Pop - if public comments about God means you won't be voting for the person who made the comments, you will probably be sitting this election out. These guys can talk about God all day long, and I dont have a problem with that. I believe in God. But what I do not want to hear is that political decisions are being made based on what God tells the political candidates to do. There is a difference in saying that a politician beieves in God, and a politician saying that God makes the deciions for him. The infamous example I gave was when Bush said God told him to invade Iraq. Am I doing an okay job at explaining the difference between the two?7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #67 November 7, 2007 QuoteBut what I do not want to hear is that political decisions are being made based on what God tells the political candidates to do. Okay. I do understand that. What would be your thoughts on a candidate who says that his decisions are made based upon his religious principles? My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AWL71 0 #68 November 7, 2007 QuoteQuote No I have plenty of respect for our Constitution. It is a document worth defending at any and all costs. Even at the cost of breaking it? If there is no other alternative, Yes.The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #69 November 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote No I have plenty of respect for our Constitution. It is a document worth defending at any and all costs. Even at the cost of breaking it? If there is no other alternative, Yes. I have no response. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 891 #70 November 7, 2007 Help! Help! I'm being opressed!!! Should we ask Scotland, Ireland, and all of the former members of the colonies if they believe in the King? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,593 #71 November 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote No I have plenty of respect for our Constitution. It is a document worth defending at any and all costs. Even at the cost of breaking it? If there is no other alternative, Yes. So once you've thrown it away in order to defend it, just how do you think you're going to go about getting it back?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,593 #72 November 7, 2007 QuoteIf you have to ask you would not understand the answer. So you dont have an answer. Ok then. QuoteI just think a society that has a belief in God and has some sort of moral compass is better off than a society without one. Bzzzzt. Belief in god is not in any way synonymous with having a functioning moral compass, just as not believing in god is in absolutely no way an indication of a lack of moral compass.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AWL71 0 #73 November 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteIf you have to ask you would not understand the answer. So you dont have an answer. Ok then. QuoteI just think a society that has a belief in God and has some sort of moral compass is better off than a society without one. Bzzzzt. Belief in god is not in any way synonymous with having a functioning moral compass, just as not believing in god is in absolutely no way an indication of a lack of moral compass. If you belief what you posted above then why do you care if Fred Thompson has a belief in God? It doesn't matter either way, right?The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,593 #74 November 7, 2007 Quote Help! Help! I'm being opressed!!! Should we ask Scotland, Ireland, and all of the former members of the colonies if they believe in the King? Two questions: 1) Whuh? 2) Scotland is a former colony? Whuh?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,593 #75 November 7, 2007 Quote If you belief what you posted above then why do you care if Fred Thompson has a belief in God? Show me where I ever said did. Nice attempt at misdirection thereFor the third time, I care that he thinks that a healthy society needs to be predicated upon a belief in God.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
