jakee 1,564 #26 November 7, 2007 Congratulations - a reply that has sweet fuck all to do with what I actually saidTo repeat the part of Fred's core principles that I take issues with - the part where he says stable society must be predicated upon a belief in God. That's all I mentioned - try replying to that, instead of what you imagined I said. Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,564 #27 November 7, 2007 Because a stable society does not need to be predicated on a belief in god.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 858 #28 November 7, 2007 Seeing how you're not voting, your opinion and points are moot. We left your fine country because of religious persecution...and now we get it over the net... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #29 November 7, 2007 Like I said, become an american citizen, or just STFU. The choice is yours. Now go lecture the French or something equally productive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #30 November 7, 2007 Quote You do not have to believe in god to realize that all of us were born with rights that are endowed by our creator,... You didn't really type that did you? OF COURSE you have to believe in a creator to believe in the imagined endowments of said character. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AWL71 0 #31 November 7, 2007 QuoteBecause a stable society does not need to be predicated on a belief in god. Actually it does. But you are welcome to your opinion, wrong as it may be.The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #32 November 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteGeorge Bush: 'God told me to end the tyranny in Iraq'. I'm amazed at how many people take this third hand rumor as truth. First hand - you heard him say it yourself. Second hand - you heard it from someone that heard him say it. Third hand - you heard it on the news or read it in a paper, reported by someone who wasn't actually there. Seems like an awful lot of what we hear is third hand news rumor. Does that make all of it unbelievable? The difference is most secondhand information is checked out and confirmed. This whole business of Bush saying "God told..." has been refuted by people who were in the room when he supposedly made that statement. Still, people believe it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,564 #33 November 7, 2007 Quote Like I said, become an american citizen, or just STFU. The choice is yours. Or... you can realise that until you own this website your demands mean nothing to me! Isn't the internet fantasticDo you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,564 #34 November 7, 2007 QuoteActually it does. But you are welcome to your opinion, wrong as it may be. Why? What does a belief in God provide that is indespensible to the stability of society? Is it the tax code? Is it the electoral system? Is it the Judiciary? The legal system? The constitutional freedoms? The legislative or executive branches? The GDP? What?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #35 November 7, 2007 A 1994 New York Times profile wrote that "When Hollywood directors need someone who can personify governmental power, they often turn to [Thompson]." Well, Hollywood directors and the Republican party. Bring on another actor, the voting public loves that shit.----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #36 November 7, 2007 QuoteBecause a stable society does not need to be predicated on a belief in god. He's stating a principle, not an absolute fact. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,108 #37 November 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteGeorge Bush: 'God told me to end the tyranny in Iraq'. I'm amazed at how many people take this third hand rumor as truth. First hand - you heard him say it yourself. Second hand - you heard it from someone that heard him say it. Third hand - you heard it on the news or read it in a paper, reported by someone who wasn't actually there. Seems like an awful lot of what we hear is third hand news rumor. Does that make all of it unbelievable? The difference is most secondhand information is checked out and confirmed. This whole business of Bush saying "God told..." has been refuted by people who were in the room when he supposedly made that statement. Still, people believe it. And others who were in the same room claim he said it. So that makes it a "he said-she said" kind of a thing, doesn't it? Which you choose to believe depends only on who you think is more credible and the context of Bush's previous on-the-record statements about his relationship with God..... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #38 November 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteBecause a stable society does not need to be predicated on a belief in god. Actually it does. But you are welcome to your opinion, wrong as it may be. India is not predicated on a belief in God, neither is China, nor France. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,564 #39 November 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteBecause a stable society does not need to be predicated on a belief in god. He's stating a principle, not an absolute fact. So, when he says it is one of his core beliefs that a healthy society is predicated on a belief in God... he's not actually saying that he thinks a healthy society needs to be predicated on a belief in God? Wow, the english language is so flexible.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #40 November 7, 2007 Well then, speak french only, it will be to your liking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AWL71 0 #41 November 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteBecause a stable society does not need to be predicated on a belief in god. Actually it does. But you are welcome to your opinion, wrong as it may be. India is not predicated on a belief in God, neither is China, nor France. China has a great reputation with their human rights violations. France is....,well France. India is a religious country even though their concept of a higher power is differnet than the belief here in America.The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #42 November 7, 2007 QuoteChina has a great reputation with their human rights violations. France is....,well France. India is a religious country even though their concept of a higher power is differnet than the belief here in America. Hate to break it to you cowboy but the US doesn't have a great reputation on human rights lately. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #43 November 7, 2007 QuoteHe lost my vote when he mentioned God. Church and State are supposed to be separate. You don't plan on voting for anybody then are you?If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #44 November 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteHe lost my vote when he mentioned God. Church and State are supposed to be separate. You don't plan on voting for anybody then are you? You have a point there. Political reppression of atheists is rampant in most western countries. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pop 0 #45 November 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuotehttp://www.fred08.com/ He lost my vote when he mentioned God. Church and State are supposed to be separate. You must hate it when Congress convenes then, each session begins with a prayer. I did not know that, but now that I do I dont like it. George Bush: 'God told me to end the tyranny in Iraq'. The results arent impressive. I hope Fred isnt listening to the same God. 90+% of the people in the world believe in a "God" of one degree or another. If someone bows their head in prayer, that does not mean you need to. "God" does not equal "religion" in the strictest sense. Belief in higher power makes religion. God tends to be that higher power. I believe in God, but God doesnt tell me to invade countries. If he did that's a problem. Mahmoudanjajad also believes God tells him what to do. Mahmoudanjidad also believes there is no gay in Iran and Israel should cease to exist. I am curious to see what God tells Fred to do. There shuold be no God in political decision making.7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pop 0 #46 November 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteBecause a stable society does not need to be predicated on a belief in god. Actually it does. prove it7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AWL71 0 #47 November 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteChina has a great reputation with their human rights violations. France is....,well France. India is a religious country even though their concept of a higher power is differnet than the belief here in America. Hate to break it to you cowboy but the US doesn't have a great reputation on human rights lately. Listen up cowgirl! If you consider doing what it takes to glean information from an enemy a human rights violation then that is just sad. The ends justify the means.The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #48 November 7, 2007 QuoteTo repeat the part of Fred's core principles that I take issues with - the part where he says stable society must be predicated upon a belief in God. When did he say that in that video clip? I heard "Our rights come from God, not government". From what I understand from that is we are born with those rights is this country, government doesn't give them to us.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pop 0 #49 November 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteHe lost my vote when he mentioned God. Church and State are supposed to be separate. You don't plan on voting for anybody then are you? Not if God makes their political decions. That's rediculous.7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AWL71 0 #50 November 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteBecause a stable society does not need to be predicated on a belief in god. Actually it does. prove it Prove it doesn't. God is an exercise in faith and that is why weak minded people have a hard time with God.The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
